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Should there be a war on terror and how/who should it be fought?
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celinski
  Dec 28, 07, 10:04  #1
This is a spin off of the terror question and President Bush. This takes Bush out and the question back to, if there should be a war on terror, how and by whom?
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tygrys
  Dec 28, 07, 10:36  #2
no...
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celinski
  Dec 28, 07, 10:47  #3
Ignoring terrorist did not work. Innocent people are taken out as bombs are taken into subways or car bombs drive into crowds of people. Does the USA go back to ignoring and pray for the best.

I always thought if all the nations got together they could come up with one team that flush's them out. Clearly, USA should not continue going from country to country. This is not just an American issue and needs to be looked at from all sides.

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lesser
  Dec 28, 07, 11:15  #4
WOT is just a slogan, nothing more. You could declare a war against Iraq, Serbia, Russia, France or any other country. But you cannot declare war on terror.
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Daisy
  Dec 28, 07, 11:19  #5
celinski wrote:
bombs are taken into subways

If it wasn't for Blair getting mixed up with Bush's so called war on terror, their wouldn't have been any bombs on the London underground on 7 July
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southern
  Dec 28, 07, 11:39  #6
celinski wrote:
if there should be a war on terror, how and by whom?


I would propose by Russians in Chechnya and by Serbs in Kossovo.

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BubbaWoo
  Dec 28, 07, 11:48  #7
Daisy wrote:
If it wasn't for Blair getting mixed up with Bush's so called war on terror, their wouldn't have been any bombs on the London underground on 7 July


gosh... now theres a thought...

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Seanus
  Dec 28, 07, 12:11  #8
Yes, largely through intelligence sharing. Needless to say, this is happening on a large scale but it could always be better.
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celinski
  Dec 28, 07, 12:17  #9
lesser wrote:
WOT is just a slogan


What I refer to is terror inflicted upon society by unknown perpitrators. Even before Sept. 11 innocent people were targeted in large numbers. I do not see this as "Bush's" war, I see this as society in need of a plan. Carol
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southern
Edited by: southern  Dec 28, 07, 12:20  #10
If the Arabs learn to dance Krumping and poping,they will leave their weapons.

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celinski
Edited by: celinski  Dec 28, 07, 12:23  #11
BubbaWoo wrote:
gosh... now theres a thought...



Daisy wrote:
If it wasn't for Blair getting mixed up with Bush's so called war on terror, their wouldn't have been any bombs on the London underground on 7 July


London is not the choosen and I don'r feel your taking a realistic view. Saying "Bush" caused this is bs. It's like saying glorifiying bombers by plastering their poster all over town is normal.

http://www.terrorism-research.com/

Terrorism is not new, and even though it has been used since the beginning of recorded history it can be relatively hard to define. Terrorism has been described variously as both a tactic and strategy; a crime and a holy duty; a justified reaction to oppression and an inexcusable abomination.


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szkotja2007
  Dec 28, 07, 12:41  #12
So who are the terrorists ?
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BubbaWoo
  Dec 28, 07, 12:41  #13
you just dont get it carol, do you

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Seanus
  Dec 28, 07, 12:44  #14
And who are the freedom fighters?
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Daisy
  Dec 28, 07, 12:54  #15
celinski wrote:
London is not the choosen and I don'r feel your taking a realistic view

Your the one who needs to wipe the sh*t out of your eyes and see some realism....I'm not glorifying anyone...murder is murder regardless of who comits the crime....The men who blew themselves up on the London underground, did so because of the British Governments involvement in the war in Iraq......I'm not defending any terrorist...However, IMO Bush and Blair are just as guilty of terrorism.........they have created a nation of martyrs.

Bush's 'war of terror' was and is fuelled by nothing more than greed and revenge
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Macduff
  Dec 28, 07, 12:56  #16
Seanus wrote:
And who are the freedom fighters?



Good question as the saying goes, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

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szkotja2007
  Dec 28, 07, 12:59  #17
Macduff wrote:
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

John Paul Jones, Nathan Hale etc etc
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Daisy
  Dec 28, 07, 13:00  #18
Hey Carol, how do you fancy being a woman in the new free Iraq
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celinski
Edited by: celinski  Dec 28, 07, 13:06  #19
Daisy wrote:
Your the one who needs to wipe the sh*t out of your eyes and see some realism..


Ok so terrorism just started on Sept. 11.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/hispanic/terrorism/terrorism.html

Oh look international portal, so I guess USA is not the only ones targeted.

Daisy wrote:
how do you fancy being a woman in the new free Iraq



By whom=Religious extremists Thank you.

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Daisy
Edited by: Daisy  Dec 28, 07, 13:14  #20
celinski wrote:
Ok so terrorism just started on Sept. 11

No, that's the point...but like Bubba said..you just don't get it do you Carol.......you don't put out a fire by pouring petrol on it

And, Bush's real reasons for going into Afghanistan and Iraq, had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism.....that idiots greed has made terrorism worse though

I think the Basque region is safe from Bush for now...I'm not aware of any oil there

So enlighten me, what is the cause of the conlict between ETA and Spain....I can't wait to see your answer to this one

celinski wrote:
By whom=Religious extremists Thank you

yes, the ones that are running amok, since the war.......this is my point.....The war in Iraq has created this.....extremism breeds extremism
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Seanus
  Dec 28, 07, 13:16  #21
The 3 Jocks unite, Scots wahey!! Could it be because we know the NI question so well?
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Wroclaw Boy
  Dec 28, 07, 13:17  #22
I am afraid the war on terror can never be won. I believe it would be similar to the war on drugs or child pornography.... we can fight, we can protest but we cannot irradicate.

Personally I would set up a civil act where bye any persons suspecetd of terrorism were treated in a way similar heroin delears in third world countries only with more professionalism and improved resources. Crack teams in place for rapid response to any proven terrorist organisations.

Short of that deport all the pakis from the UK. Pakis always have a problem if they aint got a problem they have a problem for not having a problem.
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PinkJewel
Edited by: PinkJewel  Dec 28, 07, 13:18  #23
lesser wrote:
WOT is just a slogan, nothing more. You could declare a war against Iraq, Serbia, Russia, France or any other country. But you cannot declare war on terror.


I agree. Any "war" should be against the extremists who think they're going to a better place by blowing themselves up and taking a few other lives. The phrase "War on Terror" is a gimmick.

There's no doubt that London (or another part of the UK) was always going to be targeted at some point as the UK is part of the "evil" West (even before Sept 11) but Blair's involvement wth Bush sped up the inevitable.

Wroclaw Boy wrote:
I am afraid the war on terror can never be won. I believe it would be similar to the war on drugs or child pornography.... we can fight, we can protest but we cannot irradicate


Yes I agree that it does seem futile. Somewhere there's always going to be another Bin Laden waiting.
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isthatu
  Dec 28, 07, 13:27  #24
Seanus wrote:
The 3 Jocks unite, Scots wahey!! Could it be because we know the NI question so well?

or more specificaly where most of the terrorists funds and support came from Cough cough USA cough.....

Can I just ask,how do you make war on someone who has already blown themselves up?
The question should not be "should we have a war on terror" but rather "where did the terror come from and why" If uncle sam would think about that a little bit less people would die,period.
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Daisy
  Dec 28, 07, 13:30  #25
isthatu wrote:
where did the terror come from and why" If uncle sam would think about that a little bit less people would die,period.

I think I've just banged my head on a brick wall with that one
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cubic
  Dec 28, 07, 13:30  #26
There are some interesting parallels between today's jihadism and the anarchist violence of the late nineteenth century. See For jihadist, read anarchist. The first paragraph:

BOMBS, beards and backpacks: these are the distinguishing marks, at least in the popular imagination, of the terror-mongers who either incite or carry out the explosions that periodically rock the cities of the western world. A century or so ago it was not so different: bombs, beards and fizzing fuses. The worries generated by the two waves of terror, the responses to them and some of their other characteristics are also similar. The spasm of anarchist violence that was at its most convulsive in the 1880s and 1890s was felt, if indirectly, in every continent. It claimed hundreds of lives, including those of several heads of government, aroused widespread fear and prompted quantities of new laws and restrictions. But it passed. Jihadism is certainly not a lineal descendant of anarchism: far from it. Even so, the parallels between the anarchist bombings of the 19th century and the Islamist ones of today may be instructive.
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PinkJewel
  Dec 28, 07, 13:41  #27
Daisy wrote:
Hey Carol, how do you fancy being a woman in the new free Iraq


Just read the article. The behavior is not wholly unsurprising. Ridding the world of extremists wouldn't stop the problems detailed in the article.
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hairball
  Dec 28, 07, 13:41  #28
Daisy wrote:
bombs on the London underground on 7 July


These attacks are well timed. On this occasion we all forgot about destroying the all time biggest WMD....poverty...... at the G8 conference. Instead it was an opertunity for George to put his arm around Tony and say "We're in this fight together"

I'm sorry carol it's impossible to take "him" out of the equasion.
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celinski
  Dec 28, 07, 13:56  #29
Other attacks in London prior to Sept. 11, 2001 Seems London has had their fair share.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London
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PinkJewel
  Dec 28, 07, 14:03  #30
celinski wrote:
Other attacks in London


Mostly down to the IRA who targeted many areas of England. Islamic extremism is a little bit different to the IRA...who often warned of attacks beforehand (not that this excuses them).
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