Should there be a war on terror and how/who should it be fought?

They couldn't screw it up any worse than the men of the world already have done;)

IMO, Saudi is a problem and must be dealt with what is important is the structure and how the people are treated there. Is the goverment gassing the people, dropping them off building, killing their loved ones. Most important making threats to other countries?

This war on terror will not be won on a battlefield!!! It will be when countries sit down and come to terms with the past. It will take give and take and being able to see how another country feels. It will never be over per say, but it can be under control. It all comes down to give and take, taking responsability for the past and future, accountability and letting go. Althought I say letting go I use this in the broadest sence of the word, it will never be forgotten, but justice must be served for all to feel justified.
When all can look back at this nightmare, I fear it will be obviouse what "MUST" take place, the sooner it does the quicker we can stop this killing of innocent people.

Celinski, they fund terrorists on a large scale and harbour them, sth George Bush spoke out against in his speech to the nation on 9/11. What more do u need? It's a matter of principle. Britain apparently fares know better,

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/7016-0/, Pakistan again

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1002/p01s04-wosc.html, and again. The ISI is a bad egg Celinski, admit it. America is playing the same card again as in the Iraq-Iran War, they used Saddam to weaken Iran, then they killed him. They are playing forces off of one another and are using the Saudis for wealth and the Pakistanis as a strategic base.

Tensions between Musharaff and Karzai will only serve to put a dent in America's plans and further destabilise the region.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/06/b99415.html, let's debate this one.

it will be won when people realize that counties aren't people themselves and can't be treated as individual entities as can people. but, alas, it seems to be a human trait to shy away from any form of complex reasoning and evaluating and lean with the windbags that are prevelant in popular media and mainstream politics- hooray for us!

What? And cut off the USAs second largest source of Oil ? No chance. What are the tanks going to run on - fresh air ? Remember the 70s fuel crisis ( which is why US has a ridiculous 55mph speed limit ). US are happy to feed this regieme, remember the $20 bln arms deal done during Bushes visit this month.

youtube.com/watch?v=xmujxC8G1TQ, ABBA say it all really. The common innocent people slave away to earn their bread whilst hypocritical creeps swindle and cheat their ways to fortunes.

Has it not always been this way. In order to be truly happy it is not the toys, money or biggest house. It is your state of mind.

To love, laught and learn are free to all and hold the greatest wealth.

so quit with the chitter chatter and the clackity clack of the keyboard and get with the learnin already! *rolls eyes* :)

http://www.interpol.int/Public/FusionTaskForce/default.asp, why do we hear so little of this international body? It has an extensive remit and ample expertise. They could offer constructive solutions. Do they creep into the American Press Celinski? Check out their various counter-terrorism strategies. 186 members, WOW, that's impressive!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GROM, learn sth about Polish pride and excellence!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Air_Service#Mountain_Troop, mountain troops, hey yes. Plenty Scots to whoop ass

There are countless numbers of elite forces around the world. We don't hear enough of their endeavours. They are secret societies, we don't need specifics but just some success stories.

These are suggestions! Celinski, would u continue to pull oil and arms deals with the Saudis if they continued to support terrorism? America supports the Saudis, Pakistanis, MKO and Jundallah. This seems like a phony war

quote=Foreigner4] with the learnin already [/quote]





Many hands make like work. Look at what the USA is hearing for going into Iraq. This should not be just USA vs. ....

America's support or lack of keeps coming at us. Saudis need education. They should be held accountable for support of terrorist and be held to the same standards. USA cannot be expected to fight this war alone.

Britian and Poland are talking about pulling out, where are the countries that were going to fight this war?

And the suggestions above?

Many of them either are currently or at one time served in Iraq. Doubt we will hear many "success stories" because even for the ones that are reportable, the networks are against the current administration for the most part, and good news simply does not make it to the headlines.
I agree about not needing specifics. Even giving credit to one unit or another would give away our guys, be they Americans, British, Polish, or others. Imagine if one high value bad guy is captured tonight, call him "Al" and tomorrow morning, all the networks say GROM, SAS, and SEALS did a joint raid on his home/compound/camp last night.
Instantly, all the survivors of the hit, or their buddies, know 1) what unit hit 2) based on how it got there, where it came from-for instance if helicopters were seen leaving Baghdad in the middle of the night about 30 minutes before the hit-
well it is not THAT difficult to tie things together. After that, every time helicopters leave Baghdad, people will warn their buddies...and everyone will have their RPG's and SA-7's handy.
Just speculation of course. SOF ARE at work over there, it just isn't front page.

Saudi is a quandary I think. The Saudi government does not officially support Terror, although Bin Ladin's family runs one of the largest businesses there I understand. Unfortunately, Saudi is also home to some of the holiest sites in Islam, and as such is a beacon to radicals wanting to rid the world of Infidels. It isn't IMHO that the Saudi government itself supports them, although I wouldn't put it beyond them to be financially implicated in one way or another.
As Saudi claims to be friendly to the US, (same way as Pakistan government) it as such is not our place to march in and take care of their business for them, even if such would seem to make sense to some.
There are many many Muslim radicals in London, but you don't hear about us offering SEAL teams or the like to go make hits there, either. It simply isn't done. We are arresting some here, and in countries under U.S. control, but otherwise it is the duty of that country.
Most US oil btw comes from South America (Brazil, I believe) followed by Saudi etc. but many countries that maintain relations with the US would be in bad shape without that oil (China, for instance). Much of US' own oil production actually gets exported, mostly I believe, to Japan. Also, apparently US has huge oil reserves but is tied up so much here by "green" laws that it is prohibitively expensive for oil companies to succeed here, and in some cases, completely impossible.
I'm no oil man, so if my info is a little out of date about that, I apologize.
John P.

Actually, 40% of US oil comes from US states....60% come from foreign countries, with Canada leading the way:)

Kinda makes you wonder why it is....DOH !

So why start it ?

Sooner the better. I think both countries have given enough in persuit of Bush's war.

Whats the point you are making with the videos ?

Heres a link for oil imports...
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Exactly as I said.....at least when it comes to imports....Canada leads the way....

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I guess it depends on what media you want to believe.......hmmmm

First of all, there are no justified wars, just wars (that gov. officials) that are worth fighting, and those that aren't.

Should there be war? No

Should we try to end terrorism? Definitely

Who should end it? Good question. Only time will tell.

How should it be done? Quickly and efficiently without the needless loss of human life.

War is a very blunt tool. In fact, I can't think of any tool blunter than war.
For something that stems from a small number of people, why should so many lives be destroyed?
Those who cause the problems in the first place have the smoke and debris of a war to hide behind - on both sides.

Thanks for the update
-the last I had heard most was coming from Brazil (*I think*)
I did know that the majority did NOT come from the middle East, but other interests were at stake, with which the U.S. is unfortunately inextricably entangled (China....etc)
John P.

europe is in worst situation in case of terrorism than US ... US don't have inside pressure to listen Arabs. France UK Germany have to be nice for Islam world because they have terrorist organisations in their countries. Sad but true. Arab Lobby is very strong in EU ... so they prefere to split on USA. last time EU goverments started to be more independent in their decissions but ... we will see

The "War on Terror" is a complete and total fraud. It's massive social re-engineering at it's most & expensive best.

No, but as we have seen from the links posted, they do need to keep them sweet for oil.

No, they are getting out because they can see the war on terror for what it is.

Just about sums it up.

Not quite, while I said Poland is leaving Iraq, they are increasing in Afganastan. Britian, also is not stopping the support, they are going where the terrorists are hiding today in large numbers.



In order to one day be one nation able to accept each others positives and negitives terrorism must be held in check. It will never be totally gone IMO but can be made very insignificant where each country can control it on their own turf without coming to this.

The War on Terror is a complete fraud, nicely said, succinctly to the point. Al Qaeda, 'the CIA's Monster', sends its regards for the tea and crumpets laid on, on 9/11. They greatly extend their gratitude for the after dinner perks and reassure the US that regular money transfers will continue unabated. Itchy back anyone? Help please

Yes, I will aggree you need help. As each terror cell is reduced to managable numbers all your rally's will be safer.

Aha, I forgot, the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan are inextricably linked because of.....thats right, ....the war on terror. Very convenient.

Oh never thought war could be convenient. I thought it was a last resort when dealing with people that could be so cold they see no limits on killing innocent people. Guess USA had nothing better to do with their military.

Exceptionally so for the current US administration. Linking an illegal war like Iraq to the fight against the Taliban.

Apparently some have to lay bait to satisfy their bloodlust.See links, US troops lay "bait" for innocent civilians. First link - the news story....

Second link - Old Glory's finest who lay the bait...( warning - contains very bad language)


I am not saying all US troops are like this but its worrying that a significant amount of them are.
If only there were limits on killing civilians.

It's 'agree' Carol but nevermind. The War on Terror is messier than quagmires of mud scattered across a huge area. There are too many double standards and too much hypocrisy. How can u entertain the very funder of 9/11, on 9/11? It just doesn't make sense. Anyway, let's spit fire at this man,

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BA2B7119-DF1D-427E-857E-5C44E34 79F2A.htm, he played the 'poor me' approach when America allegedly tortured him. I can't condone torture but this b****** deserved a good beating. What's his fate? I know he's in Guantanamo Bay but what next?

I just wana go ahead and say you're dumb.

I'm pretty sure Bush deciding to go to war was for the benefit of the country. If he didn't the terrorism wouldn't have stopped and America would have been wiped out.
But yeah, I could see where you would see it was for revenge....

What would you suggest he do? Sit around and drink tea, do nothing and wait for terrorist to freakin bomb all of America?
Good idea.
Then the next time you need help who's going to come to your rescue? No one...

It's not as though the terrorists attacked one time and then Bush decided to go to war...

based on his next contribution below, i'd say you have nothing to worry about regarding that prognosis.