Should there be a war on terror and how/who should it be fought?

illegal enemy combatants. LOL

why.. he is right on actually.

sometimes your choices are limited and maybe you dpn't have the full attention of the parties they are trying to deal with.
let's try though.. first let's get the **** out of their hood and quit messing with their lives.. i bet they'll leave us alone faster then we imagine.


what, tommy franks isn't a hero now?
i'm sure then that the dollar bill must make the vrits puke in discust. think about it.


you are talking about US, right? ;) :)

or they think that fighting in the sandsboxes will make everyone at home somhow freeier while their rulers spit on habeas corpus and spy on their communications.. etc..
don't forget that 'the constitution is just a damn piece of paper'
yes, they are the 3rd spoke in the axles of evil. :D
thus business of america.

Perhaps not, but it's a sure way to kill a nest of hornets....

Would have nothing to do with London's blind eye toward Islamic extremism...one does not have huge rallys in London with muslims shouting death to America, death to Tony Blair, etc etc etc. give them free reign (haven't some women already been killed due to Shariya [sp] law being enforced without interference by the authorities?) and expect nothing to happen. By bending over backwards for people who overtly hate them, I feel the London (UK in general?) officials made themselves an easy mark. Much like an unattended, unlocked, unwatched jewelry store...is more likely to be robbed than the armored car down the street.

This is true...some of these have been arrested and imprisoned, but just as many donate through Islamic websites etc. for the current happenings, it is difficult to track and more difficult to convict, I imagine...

This is true.

Not quite. Only that WMDs haven't been found yet. Means nothing. We could go to Russia, which everyone KNOWS has WMDs-and if Russia didn't want us finding them, all we would find would be silos and launch vehicles. The same with Iraq. I've seen delivery vehicles capable of nuclear/chem/bio weapons, stored right next to chem/bio weapon protective gear (masks, atropine, etc)....but no warheads for the missiles...where did they go? why the masks? What *used* to be on the missile? One wonders...but because there was nothing on the missile I cannot say "I found WMD's". Saddam told everyone he had them, or at least let all his neighbors think he did. His own scientists told him he had a program. Perhaps they told him this out of fear, or perhaps there really was something. It's moot at this point, because even if we were to find the mother of all nuclear weapons stored next to 150,000 gallons of biological agent and another like it of VX/Sarin nerve gas-people would just scream we had planted it there. Honestly, I think if we find/have found anything it would be kept secret anyway, and take the publicity hit.

This is exactly the plan, and more and more provinces are coming under Iraqi control. When we leave, we may not have a puppet regime, but at least we can hope for something better than an outright enemy. Still, leaving only to let our friends be slaughtered as in Vietnam is simply NOT an option. Just because many Iraqis are Sunni or Shiite muslims does not mean they all wish to be controlled by a "theocracy" as in Iran, any more than we want to have the head of one religion or other be the supreme lawmaker in our own countries.
Anyway, happy new year folks, all the best.
John P.

It's a nice thought but truly we've always been the "evil" West. The 2001 attacks on the WTC by al qaeda was not the first attempt after all.

We could withdraw all our troops etc but it would not make a difference. The extremists would still be fighting against our modern views etc.

This is so true. We were the victims of 9/11 and still people try to blame Bush. Reguardless of what the USA does someone will be placing blame on the USA that is unless they are using us at the time, or taking something from us.



I hope you are right, but we cannot just up and leave, in fact the ones being trainned to take over know this would not only be setting them up for failure, it would leave them unstable. If USA leaves Iraq at the wrong time the consequences would mean the ones that perished did so in vain. Iraq does have a say in the turn over of power and are making the steps needed to run their own country.

Carol

The victims of 9/11 were the people who died and the families left behind.

Judging by some other comments you're kind of thinking USA rules the world by the way...

I don't think Bush is the only person to blame, but he certainly did nothing to prevent it. He is the worst thing that happened to the US in most of its history and the worst thing that happened to the World in a long time. An even scarrier thing is the realization that some 50% of Americans voted for the fool two times in a row.

No, I was aggreeing with you. If you would like to Quote vs. judge, by the way....






Both are good points. Red flags were everywhere.

As for getting Pres. Bush out of office, I feel confident with the house's being in democratic hands the country is safe. I couldn't believe he was elected, but as I think about it, reguardless of who is President, the power is with the House of Represenitives and the Senate. On the first election Pres. Bush had it all with Republicans holding onto all with majority. This put us in the worst position.

Carol

my comment had nothing to do with the current military actions in Irq.
ever heard of action/reaction? the attack on wtc etc.. was a reaction. also see above.
demos are effing patsys. i want impeachments! anything less is unpatriotic and outragous. unfortunately pelosi has rolled over as soon she was elected the speaker. what a joke.


too bad they were little children and not the hornets.. oopsy.

I think you confused my negative view of dubya with an automatic praise for the democrats. In fact they are the same bunch of thieves with different logos on their business cards.

It's not dems or cons anymore. It's Coca Cola, McDonalds, Citi Broup, Standard Oil and the like. Dems as well as cons are just puppets. And unfortunatelly that extends to us.

that was because the state of florida forgot some..so they had to hand count
his votes :) get it strait silly :))) lol

I wish my brother jeb was here :)) LOL

plk123 are you serious? children? that isn't even close to humorous or even true. If you know of even a single instance of even one child being intentionally killed by Americans (like myself) and not being apprehended and put on trial for murder...a capital offense under U.S. military law...then please list it, *after* you contact the authorities. The arm of the law does reach all the way to Iraq...
And if not, why insist on making horrible, inflammatory statements about people which simply are not true? The truth is bad enough. As long as people keep spreading such things this war will never end, because people reading such things assume they are true and want to go kill Americans. Usually by the time they realize we aren't banning Islam, killing babies, or drinking blood, it is too late and people have died needlessly on both sides. Too bad it seldom is the one spreading these unsubstantiated stories, sitting safe at home, on the internet, or perhaps is a militant Jordanian imam in an Iraqi mosque...who has to bear the burden for them.
Your joke was not funny IMHO.
OK, that rant concluded (no internet anyway, sucks typing on a mobile) everyone can go back to agreeing with each other and America baa-a-a-ad and Bush ba a a ad, with a few exceptions...
perhaps someone will even make a post eventually without it being hijacked to a Bush/America bashing sing-a-long? That would be refreshing. So far all I've learned on here is that British and many Polish hate Americans, Putin with his new ICBM=good, America's missile SHIELD=threat to world peace, people on Polish forums like Polish women, and that apparently people who've never been to war know everything about it, and our own people think we are murdering children. Thanks for the vote of confidence and happy new year's wishes...
cheers.
John P.

I am american, I cant stand bush, and hate the war. I know there are men and
women serving, I wish them to come home. I was born and raised here 2nd gen
of polish -american. I will not stand up and say bush is right, he is wrong, but I dont
believe all these idiot stories about conspiracy, maybe that to be the case if it was
a pre-bush plan.. I highly doubt he came into office with all intent to kill over 5000
americans to make up a reason to go to iraq.. nixon went down for much less a scandal and I highly doubt that bush would risk it too. not when he seen oppertunity.

Yes I believe he jumped on iraq for his own reasons. no one can fight in afganistan
russia left because the terrain was so rough. so we are going to show them up
by doing it one better? not..

bush is sucking oil.. lots of it. he could probably support the whole america with the
money he will be making or has already made on the side.

I dont believe in him. you know why? I am middle class.. he dont like me. so I dont like
him.. he wants to stop all of us hard working from hard working.. its either filthy
rich or filthy poor.. step on the middle man... so why should we give him any votes
or think highly of such a screw up for a president when he doesnt think of the
American people like he should? rich or poor, no inbetween?

and whos side is he on? those of the people of Iraq or American? come on we have
people living in the streets of new orleans still while a war rages on, and when he
visited new orleans he talked about the war then, instead of all the screw ups
going on.. and if you ask me, bush is being punished by a higher power because
he swayed in the wrong direction.

America might be a super power to the world, but theres a superpower higher then
all of us who makes the ultimate decisions!!!

That sb disagrees with the war in Iraq means that he is anti-american?If you for example disagreed with the war in Balcans,were you anti-american as well?How does this war benefit USA as a whole?

This has come up as a defence in this debate and other similar ones a couple of times before. - If you criticise USA policy you are an American hater and hate all things Americana. Not very rational.

Bush is not rational. Remember, he lives in the world of good and evil, not rational or irrational.

I think she was being very british and using irony :)

What everyone conveiniently forgets is that al quada have publicly stated that their aim is to get US forces out of Saudi Arabia,home of Islams most sacred sites and to topple the Saudi dictatorship that is propped up by Britain and the US,hence we are both prime targets.

Well said,and dont forget many of the workers in the towers were not US citizens.


If I may,Im going to break this down further john.And happy new year btw :)

Yes ,these rallies were highly distastefull,but,at the most a couple of hundred loonies took part and were widley revilied by British Muslims as much as by anyone else.Unfortunatly,we have something called freespeach in Britain,Im told this used to be the case in the US with klan rallies and neo nazis free to peddle their byle under whichever amendment fits best. But,as you may not be aware,many of those demonstraters are now serving lengthy jail terms for incitment to murder.

No,in short,longer answer; Yes ,many women and indead young girls have been murdered in so called "honour killings",this is not sharia law being implimented but specific ethno geographical customs being carried out. These killings have taken place in tight knit specific communities,not the "muslim community" in general. These communities,much as certain communities are in the US,are very hard for law enforcement agencies to infiltrate,and will close in on outsiders.To say that our authorities "allow" this to happen is just plain ludicrous,Did your law enforcement agencies allow say the cuban gangsters to flourish in the 80s,or did they just have no way in?

or alternativly while other countries were targets we were left alone,dont forget john that communisim was wet nursed in the UK but we never came close to a revolution.

Actually,quite plainly Saddam did at one time have chemical weapons,he didnt spray halabja with Mr Sheen.
The point being that he plainly didnt have them or atleast didnt intend to use them is finely ilustrated by the patchy supply of basic NBC gear to allied forces prior to the invasion as compared to GW1 where troops spent half their lives sweating buckets in gas masks and charcoal lined noddy suits.

I agree with john but,lessers point would be maybe better put as,if the US/UK etc hadnt gone there in the first place these problems would not exist.

Im sorry,but the way you say this sounds all wrong,you mean you would like to see the world run by proxy washington administration then?


if I may, I shall put my own spin on plk's sentance,"too bad that there were little children alongside the hornets.. oopsy".

Youve learnt wrong then,many British hate SOME Americans,namely Bush and his neo con buddies,Most Britons love/like/or couldnt care less about Americans

To answer the question of the thread, u don't need AskJeeves (now Ask.com), u just need AskGeorge (Ask.twat probably now). "People say, How can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child, by going into a shut-in's house and say, 'I love you.'" Wow, what a lovely answer, *******

Seems to me Pres. Bush has had his money supply cut way back. Can't fight wars without lots of money. Everyone screams and yells USA is making money in Iraq I say show me.
He also had his request for more military sent to Iraq shot down. It may not appear to be big changes to some, but I think they are.



It is true that Bush won the election. For the most part when USA is at war we do not change Presidents. If given the choice I would rather have the Senate and House vs. Presidency. If Democrates took presidency they would be blamed for messing up all the work Pres. Bush did. This is why I think Pres. Bush got us here let him clean up the mess.

Should there be a war on terror and how/who should it be fought?

yes, This is proven to be a national issue, not USA. We can pick apart the American's and not have to look at the bigger problem.

Carol

Who yells that?
Of course USA as a country makes squat and the American middle class is dwindling. Meanwhile big internationals are raking record profits.

Most politicians are crooks by definition. Some are cradtier than others, so they manage to fool people like yourself. For all practical purposes democracy in the US is dead. The US is now ruled by oligarchy. Wake up and don't fall victim of your government's and the officil media's propaganda. You do have Polish blood in you so you should be able to tell a lie from truth.

Yeah, America's economy is struggling but, remember, "If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow". Oh, those poor Yorkshire and Staffordshire dogs

They have been torn down for sure. Here in North America, when you transport a truckload of wine across the border it's called free trade. But when you buy a bottle and take it across then you pay duty tax :)

And those barriers are so useful that the US is happilly marching towards a trillion in trade defficit. This country hardly produces anything. The Chinese could bring the US to a halt just by imposing an embargo on underwear :)

The US is such a mess that it's scarry to even think about the consequences.

LOL do you understand you just increased sales on underware 190%.

It is scary, recently at Walmart, everything is made in China, Indonesia, and I could not find anything made in America. Unfort. people want to be paid too much money to work and if we try to make anything, then the Democrates will tax it to death, so until we can rid ourselves of these leeches, we will contimue this destructive path.

But not to Guantanamo eh?

China is just doing what it does best, produce things. OK, the Democrats will tax more but at least u r putting forward competition by making new American products and placing them on the relevant market. After all, American firms are supposed to be competitive

Oh, i agree, but if you tax something into oblivion then it wont happen, why do you think we sont have much manufacturing anymore, its because it costs too much here to produce and since we have competition, no one will pay the higher price. So thats why it is not made here, simple economics. If it can be purchased cheaper and sent here cheaper and sold cheaper it will come from overseas. If it can be produced here cheaper, than it will happen. Look at the democrates that tried to have a special tax in Maryland levied against Walmart. They wanted a 6% tax just on Walmart to help in Healthcare costs for the state, but was struck down as unconstitutional by the supreme court. America is on a crash course of self destruction because someone needs to be paid 45 dollars to put on lug nuts per hour. They want to try to unionize Walmart, if that ever happened it would have to raise prices to cover all the extra costs of dealing with a union as well as strikes and potential destructive issues by unions. Unions were great yrs ago to help improve working conditions, but have been outlived and cost us more money. If market conditions are left alone by Democrates and laws were eased to make goods cheaper here, then we have hope, otherwise, China will always be a big contributor and our lives will slowly be consumed with more taxes here.

Hard to deny that as you are an American who has no doubt experienced taxes imposed by the Democrats. However, I don't know if they will tax quite as highly as u think. Why would they intentionally create a situation where disincentives preclude (deter is maybe a better word) American firms from producing? I guess one positive is that u r continuing to trade with China as there have been many signs in the past that the relationship had the potential to be very frayed.

Patrycja19 wrote:

I dont believe in him. you know why? I am middle class.. he dont like me. so I dont like
him.. he wants to stop all of us hard working from hard working.. its either filthy
rich or filthy poor.. step on the middle man... so why should we give him any votes
or think highly of such a screw up for a president when he doesnt think of the
American people like he should? rich or poor, no inbetween?

The 'War on Terror' concept originated in the US, with the PNAC documents, drawn up by the neo-con faction in the Republican party...then the 9-11 'event' was executed by
criminal elements of the US Intelligence services, along with help from the Mossad, and other players such as the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence), as a justification for this new 'war'...there was also heavy involvement of certain mega-rich 'families'...unfortunately, my friends, the only war to get to the bottom of this 'terror'
would be the arrest & interrogation of Bush, Cheney and the various neo-cons, and the re-opening of the 9-11 investigation...this will not happen...why?...because the terrorists
ARE the US Government and their gangster allies and puppeters...Vladimir Putin knows this, why don't you?

Britain would for sure fight against `terrorism` all over the world and would spread `democracy`, to the last Pole. To say, as long there are Poles who would naively follow British interests

Poles, expect that Britain soon call for your help again. Suggestion for Polish brothers and sisters... pretend that you are stupid as Brits portraits you in their jokes about Poles and, that you don`t understand reasons for Polish assistance in British missions

British prime minister to "step up" terror fight

29 December 2007 | 16:57 | Source: BBC
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=29&na v_id=46559



Note, that Britain first consult with USA, to say with `big` powers and then they would dispatch their demands to Poles, to Czechs, to Slovaks....