Smoking ban - will this be coming to Poland like other EU countries?

SMOKING BAN

Smoking ban?...didn't communism end in Poland?

Smoking ban is a public health issue and while smokers continue to poison not only themselves and the environment, but other innocent people too, the public ban is the correct thing to do.
Go kill yourselves in your own homes I say, if thats what you choose, but I don't want lung cancer from you guys.

erica are you happy to have your taxes substantially increased to make up for the shortfall in revene raised from smokers once they all give up?

Tax generated from cigarette sales far exceeds the cost of smoking to the NHS. Banning smoking outright would put more strain on the NHS, not least because of increased life expectancy. You are f*cking stupid if you can't grasp this concept. I'd also question how doing yourself harm through smoking can be viewed as selfish.



That seems like a fair point...

but then you consider that I like to walk out of my house/workplace without inhaling car exhaust fumes (far more toxic than cigarette fumes and infinitely higher in volume). I don't drive but I like walking down the street. Walking down the street isn't bad for me so why is it inextricably intertwined with inhaling car fumes?

Asthma is 20% more common in cities than in the country. This has nothing to do with smoking and everything to do with pollution, yet when the tax on petrol is raised or a congestion charge introduced, people are up in arms about it.

Ironically, many of these same people are the same anti-smoking Nazis who get on their high-horse and revel in their moral superiority. The hypocracy defies belief.

Despite this, I think a smoking ban in Poland would be a good thing, as long (of course) as non-smokers are either made liable for the shortfall in tax revenue, or are banned from driving their cars. Sound like a fair deal?

Taxes will always be found to fund what is essential.
Smokers are a drain on society, they have more sick days, more breaks per day, cause polution and rubbish and make people ill.

Now read my previous post and come up with an argument to the contrary. Before you come out with some tosh along the lines of 'driving is essential', please consider that my health is paramount and far exceeds your transport needs.

lol - interesting article in the papers today about just how much more we are now paying in tax thanks to gordon and his stealthy scammings. yup, you can trust labour to always find ways to tax us further

This is absolute rubbish. You are either on a wind-up or incredibly stupid.

I hope it is the latter for your sake.

I am neither stupid NOR a wind up.

I saw my father die from smoking all his life, it made me value my own health, with regard to smoking. It is proven to be a killer, smokers ignore the facts, fair enough, let them kill themselves, but smoke in private at home, don't kill others. I have no issue with smokers, except I don't socialise with any. Do it at home.
The ban in the UK means you can still smoke, and thats great for those that choose to smoke.
As for the driving ban, driving is nothing to do with smoking, start another thread and discuss it properly there if you choose.

They already are found, but new one would have to be found, or the existing taxes for those "essentials" would have to go up.

Evil things have their good sides.
Take oil. Bad, bad, causes pollution and $hit so we're gonna move to green energy. And make millions go hungry when we switch to biofuels.

Or taker CFLs. They sent coupons in Ontario to buy energy efficient light bulbs. Millions of people did.The next thing you know, they want to increase energy pricece because... CFL bulbs don't allow them to sell as much energy as the need to meet their bottom line.

In Canada complete ban on smoking would mean some $4 to $5B taken out of the revenue. That means up to $280 more in taxes a year per each employable (not necessary employed) Canadian,

There are 2 things certain in life, death and taxes.

I pay what taxes I have to and don't wish to die sooner than I have to.

Smokers always use arguements such as taxes to justify their bad habit. Like I said, I don't have issues with smokers, I know none. If you want to kill yourselves, do so, but don't poison me.
If anyone is deluding themselves, it's the smokers who think that it won't kill them.

Just how does smoking have such a great effect on the environment?



Smokers also pay national insurance. They are entitled to the same health care as a non smoker. Its fair and doesnt discriminate.



Im starting to think you live on cloud coo coo land. Again what are your figures? Pollution and rubbish are caused by the individual. Are you trying to tell me that nicotine forces a person to drop their litter?



It seems that you do have issue's, if you choose not to socialise with them.



Do you think that smokers choose to die sooner?
Here's another thing you can be certain of, death from smoking is not certain.

Do you know the difference between a smoke related death and a death from smoking?

One last thing, im not a smoker, though i used to be one.

point 1, smoking emits loads of poisons into the atmosphere
point 2 I never said smokers don't pay national insurance and I never said they should be discriminated against.
Point 3 I don't live in cloud cuckoo land. Go down any high street in the uk, and you'll see cigarette butts and packets disgarded everywhere you look. You won't find my rubbish, I take it home with me. In fct I have often gone up to someone dropping a cigarette packet and told them that the street isn't their wastebin.
Point 4. Like I did say, I have no issues with smokers, I don't know any and those I do, I try to avoid because they stink usually. Smoke if you want, it doesn't directly affect me now there is a public ban in place here and I love it.
Point 5. Yes I do think smokers choose to die sooner. I don't intake anything with any high toxins deliberately. Smokers do.

Toxic poisons WILL KILL YOU. It's a no brainer.
I won't insult your inteligence by offering you all the NHS and other worldwide anti smoking figures that are out there, because most smokers or ex smokers refuse to believe the figures. I know what I believe, you think what you like.

Smoking in a public area, especially oudoors kills no one...if a restaurant or even a bar wantsto ban smoking, this is the owner's right...'correctness' is communism...YOU can stay in your home if you are afraid of possible damage...no new laws are needed.

Yup tree hugger all over. exactly what percentage of these "poisons" are in the atmosphere.


Sorry, i see much more chewing gum, plastic wrappers ect, which in turn are much more harmful to the planet.




Hmmmm, ill let you figure out what im thinking.

Sorry, highly toxic??? which one of these is found in cigarettes?
Cyanides
Diazomethane
N,N-dimethylaniline
Dimethyl sulfate,Epichlorohydrin,Ethanolamine,Ethylene chlorohydrin,Fluorine,Formaldehyde,Formic acid,Hydrazine,Hydrochloric acid,Hydrofluoric acid,Hydrogen cyanide,Hydrogen peroxide,Indium salts,Iodine,Iodomethane,Isocyanates,Maleic anhydride,Mercaptans,Mercury and mercury compounds,Nickel carbonyl,Nitric acid,Nitrobenzene,Nitro compounds,Osmium salts,Oxalic acid,Ozone,Phenol,Phenylene diamines,Phenyl hydrazine,Phosgene,Phosphorus trichloride,Sodium-mercury amalgam,Sulfur dioxide,Tellurium compounds,Thallium compounds,Tetrachlorethane,Organotin compounds,Toluidines,Xylidines

Actually, please, insult my intelligence and post your figures, ill gladly discredit them.

I'm not here to play guessing games with you.
This thread is about the smoking ban in Poland.
Not your obscure suggestions about anything else.
The pro smokers will never believe the facts that are there, I'll tell you what I think of them, they are dellusional. You don't have to guess what I think of them, they are foolish. The facts are there and they still poison themselves, now the ban is in place, thank goodness they won't poison me.
PS I deliberatley posted no figures, so no one can give me "their proof" that smoking doesn't kill.

In fact, if your so keen on figures, show me proof that smoking DOESN'T kill and I might just have some respect for you.

yes, about poland eh?





Who's being obscure?

Aren't you being funny then, So smokers are different in Poland then, they make no mess, they don't stink, they don't die.

Ok, I'm still waiting for those figures.

Um sorry, but was it me who said "look at all the figures?"

You have none to prove that smoking DOESN'T kill though do you ha ha.

Lets agree to disagree shall we. I welcome the band in Poland.

Well, the difference between euro-socialism and communism is not so big. This is similar mentality "ban this, ban that, steal this, steal that".

Everybody dies, jesus

Cheap shot

Not really, it's the truth.

Smoking kills too and I for 1, choose not be helped along to my grave by selfish smokers, bring on the ban in Poland.

Actually i agree with some of what you say. But i think your using your own experiences too much. Lots of people are blinded by what has personally happed to them, trumatic deaths within a family structure can lead to a biased view. For example, the mother who believes the MMR jab resulted in their child having autism. I know thats an extreme case but i take the view of this is a free world, and people should have the choice of whether they want to be in a smoking or non smoking place. Shouldnt it be the majority of customers who decide? Again im not having a personal attack on you, but i believe that many people jump the gun if you get what im saying.
Im also against the true reasons why the government has brought this law in, is it really to do with the health of the country? If so, why dont they just make cigarettes, alcohol ect, a c class drug?

Okay let's ban people who eat f*cking McDonnalds and all the other processed crappy food from using the NHS in fact can we ban these fat b*stards from eating in the street because it offends me to see such a disgusting sight!!!!! And Obeasity kills more and costs us more....I dont see many 5 year olds toking on the street corner, see plenty of them stuffing their fat faces with crisps and chocolate, which I may add are becoming cheaper and cheaper to purchase in super markets...hell lets put a tax levy on unhealthy food!!

You're not over weight are you????

You might be pleased to know that 100,000's of people are giving up each year due to the high cost!

You have quite simply written too much sh*t on this thread to bother quoting. You know nothing about your subject matter. You are a sad bitter person.



And I think it is oibvious why.

Please don't let your personal grievances cloud your judgement. It ruins your argument.



Are you a selfish driver who is helping me to my grave? Please answer this question. Your qualm is not with health, it is purely with smokers. It's very sad I'm sorry to say.

LOL as Jack Dee once said there should be patches for fat people too :-)

Lets quit the debate about the perils of smoking as it could run forever.. so is there an answer to the original question? has this issue been discussed in Poland and any indication of when it is likely (or not) to be implemented?