Animal Rights Movements in Poland

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Edited by: MareGaea Oct 30, 09, 10:45 #31

So, we've concluded that there are not really established animal rights movements in PL. Just scattered groups across the country. Are there any more initiatives? I don't know for sure, but there is EU regulation concerning this, will PL adhere to this and form a Polish variant of the RSPCA? What is the attitude in PL towards organisations like this?

>^..^<

M-G (the donkey is sleeping, currently - well I guess you have to wake him up now, won't you?)

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 09, 10:56 #32
MareGaea: I have a hungry grizzly bear here that would like to talk to you about bear's rights. Er, I think it is only me that has the right to make claims on behalf of my fellow bears.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Oct 30, 09, 11:04 #33
szarlotka Are you a grizzly bear? No, you are a PolarBear. It's a different race :) Anyhow, if you want to, you can, but just eat the sob, ok? :) >^..^< M-G (all bears will be grateful to you)

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 972 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Oct 30, 09, 11:10 #34
Dont forget about us! we also have rights! they always make bacon out of us, even sausages :* ( Oink Oink, pig power!

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Oct 30, 09, 12:32 #35

mvefa

Of course you have. Ppl tend to forget sometimes that we SHARE the world with our four-legged and feathered friends and that they are entitled to the Earth as much as we do. We only THINK we own the planet, but in fact, like Keanu Reeves says in "The Day The Earth Stood Still": "If you die, Earth will live on; if Earth dies, YOU die." It's important to remember that, my oink-impersonating son :)

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M-G (rights for all animals on Earth!!)

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Oct 30, 09, 13:41 #36

Funny enough , as i write this there is a female deer laying in the grass about 20 feet from my room window...She watches me as i move the curtains and take a photo of her , a bit nervous , but i think she knows that she is not in danger from me....

She is often there resting during the day , perhaps the same one that used to visit me last year , i am not tempted to make friends with her , as i don,t want her to consider humans as friends , the hunters will be in this area soon , hopefully she will survive another year....

now to shrink the pic , and see if i can put it here....?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Oct 30, 09, 13:56 #37
wildrover: now to shrink the pic , and see if i can put it here....? Try here and here for methods of uploading a photo.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 09, 13:57 #38
maybe a pic of Bambi..?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Oct 30, 09, 14:00 #39
wildrover: maybe a pic of Bambi..? Always makes me think of the sexpistols album "who killed Bambi "And put the photo in The PF photo contest and/or The Polish wildlife thread

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Edited by: wildrover Oct 30, 09, 14:00 #40

Try again..

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Edited by: SeanBM Oct 30, 09, 14:05 #41

wildrover:

female deer laying in the grass about 20 feet from my room window...

Nice but does he have the correct permission to be on your property?
They can hardly expect rights if they have not got the correct documentation, which they can easily obtain in the ministry for information and they can fill out forms 11/B through to 45/N and just need it stamped by their local law enforcement agency, a witness to prove they are the animal they claim to be, 7 passport photo signed on the back (remember to use the same signature they used on their passport) and then just wait as we process your information at the ministry of digestion and then we will simply need a blood, urine and hoof print before the mandatory 6 month decision time, which can of course be prolonged for any number of reasons.

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Oct 30, 09, 14:15 #42

This one is a she...but yes , she and all the other creatures around are welcome on my land , even the wild boar which dig bloody holes all over the place looking for food in the winter...mind you its my fault they actually come into the yard , as my fences needed repairing....Today i have been throwing all my uneeded apples over the fence , as this is very much enjoyed by the wildlife as food gets a bit scarce during the winter...

My friend who lives in Drawsko often has the forest rangers coming to her farm to collect fallen apples that are put in the forest for the animals...wild boar love a nice apple...

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Oct 30, 09, 14:21 #43

wildrover:

This one is a she

How do you know?

wildrover:

My friend who lives in Drawsko often has the forest rangers coming to her farm to collect fallen apples that are put in the forest for the animals..

They give information on the radio, here in Poland, not to feed wild animals unless it is a particularly cold winter.
Of course your friend is a ranger and therefore should know what he is doing.
The idea, I believe, is to prevent wild animals from seeing humans as a source of food, that creates it's own problems.

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Edited by: wildrover Oct 30, 09, 14:41 #44

SeanBM:

How do you know?

The males are much bigger , and have big horns for battling for the attentions of females....As for feeding the wild animals , yes its not good for them to come to depend on humans as a food source as they lose their skills in foraging....However , around my farm the wild boar have made up there own minds that its a good place to eat , some nice grass thats not ploughed up for crops , and of course all the apples that fall off the tree....its just rather than have them come into the garden to eat the apples , i now throw the apples over the newly repaired fence so they can get at them...

Wild boar normally eat any fruit fallen from trees , so i am not interfering with their natural feeding habits...just attempting to keep em out of the actual garden...Almost cornered one in my woodshed last winter...tricky..they can get a bit aggressive if they consider themselves in a pickle...One of the reasons they don,t want people feeding the animals , is due to the fact that often folks will give them stuff that just isn,t good for them...

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Dec 1, 09, 00:40 #45

Towarzystwo Opieki nad Zwierzętami w Polsce (TOZ)

Website

TOZ was founded in Warsaw in November 1864, the second such organization in Europe, the first being the British RSPCA. The Society also worked in the Austrian partition.

In 1939 there were 45,000 members of the Society. During World War II TOZ activists carried the animals to safety in the bombed cities and cared for the horses used by the military. After the war, TOZ survived until its dissolution in 1951, (revived in 1957).

Today they are active in almost every city and town in Poland.

TOZ is also affiliated to the euro group for animals along with
Big long list of associates

The Treaty of Rome did not include a reference to animal welfare. A revision resulted in the Treaty of Amsterdam which, thanks to Eurogroup campaigning, included a protocol on animal welfare. The Treaty of Amsterdam and the protocol became effective on 1 May 1999.

The Protocol on Animal Welfare
The animal welfare protocol included in the 1997 Treaty of Amsterdam is significant. For the first time in European law, animals are referred to as sentient beings - able to feel pain and suffering, and experience well-being.

From Euro Group for Animals

Polish Animal Protection Act

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Edited by: zetigrek May 29, 10, 09:01 #46

Come on guys - I can't believe nobody knows anything about this topic. Are there raids on mink-farms, animal-testing laboratries? Et cetera? Anything done to protect our four legged fellow-earthlings?

I hate ppl who protect our "four legged fellow-earthlings" due to that there is hunger in Africa and lots of poor children in Poland.

There is a foundation Viva famouse of rescuing horses u mentioned. There is organisation "Animals". I think there is lots of that stuff but I'm not intrested in that.
There are also lots of adopting sites. And of course I think the polish brunches of worldwide organisations.

Mind that in poland being cruel to animals is agianst the law and hearing the noise media makes whenever someone is doing wrong for animals, I think its quite respected.

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Aug 7, 10, 15:38 #47

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Animal Rights In PL

Although there exists a Polish equivalent of the RSPCA (http://otoz.pl/), am saddened to see how animals are treated; especially in the countryside. Dogs on chains or in a small fenced-off enclosure known as a 'kojec', cows on chains etc., are a common sight. Of course I'm not talking about cats and dogs in towns which are as well treated as in other countries. What prompted me to start this thread was it's common knowledge that the slaughtering of animals such as pigs are carried out by their owner/farmer. I live out in the country and sometimes my ears are met with the squeals of a pig meeting its gory end. It's highly unlikely there's any veterinary or legal supervision. I know every country has its own standards, but if this was the UK, there would be an outcry. This was actually the case of some English geezer in PL some years back, who was caught maltreating his horses, so all is not lost.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Aug 7, 10, 15:44 #48
bimber94: It's highly unlikely there's any veterinary or legal supervision. meat has to be inspected by the vet before consumption, however when it comes to the way the animals are killed, there are no regulations I think.

bimber94Threads: 9 Posts: 400 Joined: Mar 13, 09 ♂	Aug 7, 10, 15:56 #49
meat has to be inspected by the vet before consumption Slightly on the late side I'd say.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Aug 7, 10, 16:17 #50
bimber94: Slightly on the late side I'd say. I agree. If you want to get involved, look for a non profit animal rights group in Poland.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Aug 7, 10, 19:36 #51
bimber94: cows on chains so you think that a cow should be without chain? and what if that cow without chain do someone a harm? Believe me a cow in a chain doesnt suffer. Its not a dog who must run and move much. And cows have really long chains

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Aug 7, 10, 22:51 #52
bimber94: cows on chains etc., are a common sight. a cow is usually kept on a chain to keep it restricted to one area of pasture and to stop it wandering off. not all fields have fences and gates. i've noticed the same with horses in little, old england.

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Aug 7, 10, 23:13 #53

zetigrek:

so you think that a cow should be without chain? and what if that cow without chain do someone a harm? Believe me a cow in a chain doesnt suffer. Its not a dog who must run and move much. And cows have really long chains

Cows are stupid animals, nearly as dumb as chickens.

Why would anyone that owns animals, especially when that animal presents a considerable amount of value to the family, want to do harm to them. They are farming them. Grow them, harvest them. Done deal.

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Aug 8, 10, 01:13 #54

convex:

Cows are stupid animals, nearly as dumb as chickens.

No excuse to abuse them.

convex:

Why would anyone that owns animals, especially when that animal presents a considerable amount of value to the family, want to do harm to them. They are farming them. Grow them, harvest them. Done deal.

Most farmers who view their animals solely as a cash equivalent dont make good farmers either as businessmen or animal husbands.

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