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1jolaThreads: 33
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The exhibition … and Europe will be stunned will be the official Polish participation at the 54th International Art Exhibition in Venice in 2011. This video installation by the Israeli-born artist Yael Bartana will be the first time a non-Polish national has represented Poland in the history of the Venice Biennale.

http://www.labiennale.art.pl/en/exhibition


I don't know if Europe will be stunned but Polish artists might be.
sobieskiThreads: 82
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I am just waiting for the first NSZ smolenkists rearing their head :)
That said, Celine Dion represented already and Luxembourg and Switzerland on Eurovision :)
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Actually, on second thought, Europe will be stunned when they see our cafe ubermarxist, Sierakowski, screaming in the middle of an empty football stadium "We want 3 million Jews to come back!!!" She should have incorporated Helen Thomas in the film.

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RobertLeeThreads: 12
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I still remember "the artist" Rafał Betlejewski vandalising walls with his slogan "Jew, I miss you". Later on, he concluded in an interview in Gazeta Wyborcza that Polish police is antisemitic cause they detained him for vandalism.
I guess we should have sent him to Western European cities with an art project / sabotage mission. He would spray pro-Jewish slogans on their walls and if they complained, that would be a solid proof that they are vicious antisemites.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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1jola:
I don't know if Europe will be stunned but Polish artists might be.


Why should they be?

Good on Poland for playing by everyone else's rules and choosing someone who might win, rather than a no-name Polish artist with no hope whatsoever.
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delphiandomine:
Good on Poland for playing by everyone else's rules and choosing someone who might win, rather than a no-name Polish artist with no hope whatsoever.

Exactly. I am waiting for the day that in Eurovision Poland will be represented by somebody from Luxembourg :)))
Or maybe Celine Dione could be tempted, although she does not seem to be the NSZ namiotist type....
1jolaThreads: 33
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sobieski:
NSZ namiotist type....

You seem obsessed with NSZ. These soldiers were exactly like the gen.Maczek's soldiers that liberated the villages in Belgium where your parents lived during the war. I think the word national scares you. Why is that? I remember when a national holiday, Independence Day, freaked you out and you ran home to start a thread about how some nationalists were mean to anarchists. Of course, you didn't bother to see the commemorations, you went to see a handful of opposite extremes, all you saw was nazis and marxists. Ooooohhhh. You should start a thread on the Polish antifascist movement and I will help you with its history and even with the history of whole antifa movement. You will be tickled.

RobertLee:
I still remember "the artist" Rafał Betlejewski vandalising walls with his slogan "Jew, I miss you".


I remember him. I've read some foreign reviews of his "art." Well received. They especially enjoyed his barn burning.

Anyway, it only seems reasonable that Polish artists should represent Poland abroad at a national pavilion. Gee, on Polish Forums not one artist with an opinion.
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1jola:
You should start a thread on the Polish antifascist movement


You mean the movement that is full of spoiled rich kids pretending to be anarchists?

1jola:
Anyway, it only seems reasonable that Polish artists should represent Poland abroad at a national pavilion. Gee, on Polish Forums not one artist with an opinion.


Personally, I'd rather Poland does what it takes to win.

Didn't you learn anything from your time in the American forces?
alexw68 Edited by: alexw68  Jun 15, 11, 11:08    #9
1jola:
Gee, on Polish Forums not one artist with an opinion.

Well, walking past (and occasionally into) galleries in Warsaw & Poznan my take on it is:

1) the big names are dead (Nowosielski, Beksinski leap to mind);
2) what remains is a wilderness of morose, lugubrious post-abstract-expressionism, with the dull, mothballed stink of art school hanging perpetually over it - that obsession with displaying your influences/reading without actually bringing a fresh perspective to the table being, of course, foremost in the dauber's intentions;
3) What's really happening on the Polish art scene is ephemeral and politicised. No, that's a good thing. Mleczko's cartoons, for example - pinpoint parodies, but unless you're Polish or living here you won't get it - these things don't translate well and so are a bit lost in an international environment.

Real Poles and real artists please correct me on some or all of the above - but remember I'm one of the more Polonophilic obcole on this forum, so please take it in the constructive spirit intended.
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alexw68:
2) what remains is a wilderness of morose, lugubrious post-abstract-expressionism, with the dull, mothballed stink of art school hanging perpetually over it - that obsession with displaying your influences/reading without actually bringing a fresh perspective to the table being, of course, foremost in the dauber's intentions;


There's some very interesting art from the 1970's in the National Museum in Wroclaw - it seems that this period actually produced some interesting stuff. I don't know much about it, but it's intriguing.
alexw68  Jun 15, 11, 11:17    #11
delphiandomine:
There's some very interesting art from the 1970's in the National Museum in Wroclaw

Have you seen the second floor in the new national gallery in Poznan? Same sort of thing, post-Francis-Bacon. But that was the 1970s, so much of the non-figurative art you see in galleries these days is either a footnote to that or commercial tosh for bank foyers.
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I am a Polish American Artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok4KnC2l0bc&feature=channel_video_title

Poland has had some of the most Interesting Artsts.

like Jacek Yerka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrMKY3EFJOQ

like Zdzislaw Beksinski

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf1qmhnt9fw
HarryThreads: 62
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1jola:
NSZ. These soldiers were exactly like the gen.Maczek's soldiers that liberated the villages in Belgium where your parents lived during the war.

Really? Can you give us details of gen.Maczek's soldiers murdering hundreds of Jews during and after the war? I can certainly give you details of the NSZ's murderous activity. They even murdered Jews who had fought their way out of the Warsaw ghetto!
alexw68  Jun 15, 11, 11:43    #14
PolskiMoc:
Poland has had some of the most Interesting Artsts.

'has had' is the key here. This expo is about who's on the scene right now.

Shame about the Nazi scum on your YouTube channel but I have to say some of the painting are impressive. For that, respect.
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PolskiMoc:
I am a Polish American Artist.


I've watched your painting and sorry but they're seems to be pretty amateur to judge it fair.

Btw. could you translate into English your PF nickname?
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Maaarysia:

I've watched your painting and sorry but they're seems to be pretty amateur to judge it fair.

Btw. could you translate into English your PF nickname?


My paintings are better than alot of Paintings I see in Galleries LOL

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delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Maaarysia:
I've watched your painting and sorry but they're seems to be pretty amateur to judge it fair.


His channel is fantastic - paintings (Hitler loved to paint), busty blondes (again, Germans love this) and Nazism (German again).
JonnyMThreads: 16
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PolskiMoc:
I am a Polish American Artist.

Rather than a Polish artist. At least Yael Bartana actually lives and creates art here.
PolskiMoc:
Poland has had some of the most Interesting Artsts

Has had. So who (apart from some good sculptors who are largely ignored) do we have now?
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JonnyM:
Rather than a Polish artist. At least Yael Bartana actually lives and creates art here.


Bartana is not even Polish.

The most impressive Polish Work of art is of course the Crazy Horse Monument by Korczak Ziółkowski.

This is possibley the most impressive work of art of all time.
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PolskiMoc:
The most impressive Polish Work of art is of course the Crazy Horse Monument by Korczak Ziółkowski.


Of course, he wasn't born in Poland and never lived in Poland.
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PolskiMoc:
Bartana is not even Polish.

Neither are you. At least she lives here. Have you ever even visited Poland?
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delphiandomine:
Of course, he wasn't born in Poland and never lived in Poland.


Yeah Korczak Ziółkowski is Polish.

We are all apart of Polonia.

Most Poles understand this.

But, Most people on this Forum are not even Poles.
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PolskiMoc:
Bartana is not even Polish.

More Polish than you - she at least lives here. She is a Polish Artist, you are not. I invite you to come to Warsaw one day and see what the real situation is here.
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JonnyM:
Has had. So who (apart from some good sculptors who are largely ignored) do we have now?


Wilhelm Sasnal.

Largely ignored? Is Igor Mitoraj largely ignored?
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Maaarysia:
Wilhelm Sasnal.

Largely ignored? Is Igor Mitoraj largely ignored?

Sadly yes, compared to the level of attention they should receive.
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1jola:
a crappy artist from Israel.

Who chooses to live and work in Poland. If somebody chooses to live and work in Poland, I say that they should be allowed to represent Poland. And I'm surprised that you disagree: you were allowed to join the US armed forces and represent the USA overseas despite coming from Poland, so you should support the right to represent a country which one does not come from.
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JonnyM:
Yael Bartana is far more Polish than you are.

How is she Polish now?
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1jola:
How is she Polish now?

She chooses to live and work her and wants to be a credit to the nation.
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Harry:
She chooses to live and work her and wants to be a credit to the nation.


Korczak Ziółkowski is a Pole & Bartana is not a Pole.

Jews from Israel consider Jews a Jew no matter where they are.
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By the way, have you seen the sculpture exhibition that's on at the moment in the gardens of the Novotel Okęcie? There are some really good pieces and it is worth a visit - there are works by a lot of the post-war big names plus a few pieces from younger sculptors.

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