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osiolThreads: 59
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 Mar 21, 09, 20:32    #1
I'd say about 60 to 70 centimetres on average.

Mediterranean people tend to stand closer to eachother during conversation, I'd guess about 30 to 40 cm. This can seem a bit imposing to northern Europeans. There may be other people who stand further apart from eachother during conversational intercourse.

Discuss.

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 Mar 21, 09, 20:44    #2
hahaha you'd think it'd be hard to stand far apart during 'conversational intercourse'
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 Mar 21, 09, 20:58    #3
I've never noticed anything odd about person to person distance whilst taking part in conversation with Polish people, although I have noticed that Spanish, Italian and Greek people I have spoken to, tend to stand closer. I don't know where to look this kind of thing up (what the hell does one call this subject?) Taking it to be a north-south thing, one would expect Norwegians to stand even further apart, whilst Eskimos would merely shout at eachother across several metres of icy northern landscape, although I have a feeling Eskimos stand closer together.

We have on this forum, Poles, Britons, Americans, a couple of Greeks, at least one Spaniard, a very famous Serb... I was hoping someone might chime in with some interesting (... yawn) facts about this matter, but I'm even boring myself with it and resorting to words like "intercourse" to try to liven it up.
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:12    #4
osiol:
Spanish, Italian and Greek

gays
osiol:
I'd say about 60 to 70 centimetres on average.

and i would agree
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:14    #5
What about Brits?
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:15    #6
cjjc:
What about Brits?

Arms length more or less,..?
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:16    #7
what about them?
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:17    #8
niejestemcapita:
Arms length more or less,..?

Depends how long your arms are...

McCoy:
what about them?

How far they stand apart.
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:18    #9
cjjc:
How far they stand apart.

apart from what?
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 Mar 21, 09, 21:23    #10
McCoy:
apart from what?

Each other when talking.

Do keep up 007.

:)
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 Mar 21, 09, 23:43    #11
osiol:
How far apart do Poles stand when they talk?

Poles apart.

In India/Nepal/ south America it is common for males to touch as they talk.
They hold hands as they walk down the street or arm in arm.
They are not homosexual.
This is sometimes very uncomfortable for Europeans as we have a different concept of personal space.

I believe (I have no proof) that this is why we are known as the ice people.
There is a definite change in character of people the further North you go.
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 Mar 21, 09, 23:58    #12
I once asked a question about Poles, whether they are culturally northern Europeans or southern Europeans. Typically from some, the answer came back that they are eastern, even from people who in an east west argument, prefer to say that Poles are central European. Others said Slavdom doesn't appear in such a discussion, but we get the same kind of "us and them" seperation when British people talk about European identity.

Standing further apart in conversation is a northern European thing, although maybe not exclusively.

I'd quite like to get Crow into this room. He likes talking about Serbia, and I'd like to know whether Serbia is closer in this respect, to Poland or to the Mediterranean thing.
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 Mar 22, 09, 00:11    #13
osiol:
He likes talking about Serbia, and I'd like to know whether Serbia is closer in this respect, to Poland or to the Mediterranean thing.

...it's the fault of the "faux west" and the "evil Germans" anyhow....
Shawn_H  Mar 22, 09, 02:22    #14
Bratwurst Boy:
...it's the fault of the "faux west" and the "evil Germans" anyhow....

Finally, he gets it.
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 Mar 22, 09, 02:41    #15
Yes, European people tend to stay to close when they talk. It does not matter if they are from Italy or England...sorry...they are close enough to smell their breath or even 'feel" a spit on the face. Yuck. I prefer the American way, plenty of space.
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 Mar 22, 09, 02:45    #16
I found an interesting article about personal space perceptions between cultures.

It is kind of funny to read although mainly about American and Russian misperceptions about each other due to cultural conditioning about how far away people stand, and other things such as voice volume and facial expressions. Towards the end of the article, it sums up the differences between Russians, Americans, and Northern Europeans:

A problem for visiting Americans is that Russian personal distance lies within an American's intimate distance, just as an American's personal distance lies within northern Europeans' intimate space. The result is that Russians seem pushy or over-amorous to northern Europeans, and Europeans seem cold, and unfriendly to Russians. Americans, existing somewhere in the middle, manage to equally offend both parties, for opposite reasons. And this affects sexual, as well as other relationships, between the nationalities as well.

To American men, all Russian women appear to be flirting outrageously. It is that level of unintentional flattery that makes Russian women so sexy to western men. On the other hand, many Western men, by using their own national norms for greater distance, little touching, and low eye contact, strike many Russian women as far more "respectful" and "polite" than Russian men. This, as much or more than economic factors, contributes to the growing trend for US-Russian romance.

The key here is awareness. Westerners living in Russia need to temporarily adapt their spatial relationships to the Russian style for day to day survival.

Conversely, Russians working regularly with short term tourists (who won't have time to adapt themselves) need to respect the spatial conventions of the nationalities they service, or risk annoying their customers.

Once you understand the rules on space, it's easy to fit in.



http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/spbweb/lifestyl/122/how.html
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 Mar 22, 09, 02:57    #17
Yes softsong, people should research the culture before going for a visit or a short stay. Even your hand gestures can be offensive, if you don't know...
Pity, but a lot of western world thinks that their is the 'right" way - it is not. Travel is the best educating experience one can acquire. No book can describe what the eyes can see. The world does not end at the tip of your nose.
So, before you buy the plane ticket to Poland or Thailand..or Mumbai...do some research.
Only then then you can enjoy your stay.
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 Mar 22, 09, 03:17    #18
SeanBM:
In India/Nepal/ south America it is common for males to touch as they talk.
They hold hands as they walk down the street or arm in arm.

Some in North America do that too

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 Mar 22, 09, 03:21    #19
It looks like Bush was complying with the Saudi culture. One of the things he did right..I guess.
Wow. They look GOOD together! :)
Shawn_H  Mar 22, 09, 03:22    #20
Eurola:
They look GOOD together! :)

I think I could guess who the "pitcher" is, and who the "catcher" is.
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 Mar 22, 09, 03:29    #21
I think I can see it too... I want to see Obama in the next picture! :)
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 Mar 23, 09, 17:22    #22
Softsong:
personal space

I knew there was a term for what I was talking about, a term of American origin (thanks, Yanks) without which we are left floundering with difficult terms like "how far apart from each other people stand during conversation or social interraction". As long as people aren't emoting, it's fine by me. That definitely makes me a northern European.
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 Mar 23, 09, 17:46    #23
osiol:
Yanks) without which we are left floundering with difficult terms like "how far apart from each other people stand during conversation

Depends on how bad the breath of the others is.
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 Mar 24, 09, 07:02    #24
Eurola:
They look GOOD together! :)

if you think that was good then this is just down right sexy. ;)

ftyd
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 Mar 24, 09, 07:52    #25
osiol:
Taking it to be a north-south thing, one would expect Norwegians to stand even further apart

You got that one right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKdma0PmLC0
Guest  Mar 25, 09, 01:29    #26
plk123:
if you think that was good then this is just down right sexy.

i wonder what the did later that night.........................................

i feel creeped out if somebody stands within a meter of me
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 Mar 25, 09, 01:41    #27
I hope everyone who has commented on this thread has actually tried carrying a tape measure or ruler around with them so that they can check the distances they have given here are correct.
Guest  Mar 25, 09, 01:57    #28
osiol:
I hope everyone who has commented on this thread has actually tried carrying a tape measure or ruler around with them so that they can check the distances they have given here are correct.

dont you think that would be weird measuring how far apart you stand when you talk its like "what are you doing you freak!" "oh im just measuring how far apart we stand for a website"
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 Mar 25, 09, 02:10    #29
That might be a bit weird, but if someone does stand uncomfortably close to you, you could get a tape measure out of your pocket, just as a subtle hint.
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 Mar 25, 09, 02:51    #30
Eurola:
European people tend to stay to close when they talk. ... I prefer the American way, plenty of space.

I agree with Eurola. Europeans stand way close when talking. Americans stay much farther away. That's how we like it!


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