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croggersThreads: 8
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 Dec 5, 11, 15:10    #1
Hi, this is a question mainly directed to our Polish friends. I was just wondering what you thought about the graffiti problem here in Poland. I'm not taking about the graffiti you can find on railway walls/ subways etc displaying artistic skills, but the kind of graffiti you can find on almost EVERY city building, the name tag. "John was here" "Lechia Gdansk" Etc....... There were/are a lot of buildings in Gdansk being re-painted, from the old grey concrete to light and bright colours, only to be vandalized a few days later. Before making an argument against this first check, the next time you travel through your city have a look at how many buildings actually have graffiti on. When I first mentioned this to my wife she got a bit annoyed, thinking I'm only saying bad things about Poland, the thing is it's not something she's looked for before. She now agrees with me.

Do you know anyone who does this type of thing? Any reasons to why they would want to vandalize peoples property ?

I'm sure the first few replies with be something along the lines of " well in England, US, Ireland........" I'm asking the question of Poland and what you think of it, nothing else.

THANKS :)

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 Dec 5, 11, 15:14    #2
I wouldn't mind it so much if it displayed any talent, but most of it is just ugly. On a bus stop near my place some knuckle dragger scrawled 'White Power' a while ago. Nice to see today that someone has changed it to 'White Rower' and has made that nasty sign into one of the wheels of a bike.
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 Dec 5, 11, 15:19    #3
teflcat:
Nice to see today that someone has changed it to 'White Rower' and has made that nasty sign into one of the wheels of a bike.

Love it
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 Dec 5, 11, 15:20    #4
croggers:
Do you know anyone who does this type of thing? Any reasons to why they would want to vandalize peoples property ?


the reason is only one - the police are not enough after them - still the law would have to change a bit - including confiscating all material used for painting including the material stored at home - so the police should be able to do a search in the premises of an individual caught red-handed

btw there are forces in this world that are 'out of this world' - some are evil
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 Dec 5, 11, 15:55    #5
croggers:
When I first mentioned this to my wife she got a bit annoyed, thinking I'm only saying bad things about Poland

polish women are like that, I have exactly the same problem,

gumishu:
the reason is only one - the police are not enough after them

No, the police is not responsible. In Poland, it is a cultural thing to vandalize and damage other's peolpe property
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Edited by: roca  Dec 5, 11, 19:08    #6
croggers:
Do you know anyone who does this type of thing?


I have also seen a lot of graffiti everywhere in Poland. Most of the buildings look old, gray and crappy, however when they get repainted and finally look nice, they get vandalized very quickly (not only buildings also cars!!!). It is like if those kurwa boys make an effort to make their country be a completely mess. Typical communist's heritage!!!
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 Dec 5, 11, 19:20    #7
some of the 'art' graffiti if you will i have seen on walls etc in Poland are alot more artistic than here in UK which unless you are called Banksy tends to just be a tag name sprayed at selected points nothing arty about it.
Should get people to post up some 'artistic' graffiti work spotted :)
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Edited by: boletus  Dec 5, 11, 19:26    #8
I agree with:
Graffiti is a bad thing and should not be tolerated.
Vandalism is a bad thing and should not be tolerated.

I am sorry to see both of them all over Poland.

However I disagree with your skewed logic here:
polish women are like that

, or more general:
"My wife is X [has big tits for example] therefore all Polish women are X [have big tits]".

With all due respect to your wife - her opinion, look and behaviour mean very little to me and to 30-something millions of other Poles. You cannot draw any universal conclusions, involving all Polish women, based on her alone, five other of her friends, or even 10,000 other Polish women.

You, and some people like you, need to take a brush course in logic. Have you heard anything about universal quantification vs. existential quantification? Here they are, easy to remember: denoted ∀  and ∃ .

The expression ∀ n ∈ N P(n) denotes the universal quantification of the predicate P(n). Translated into plain English it means: For all n, such that n is an element of the set N, n satisfies a predicate P(n). A predicate is a function of one variable, answering either true of false. For example, if P(n) is defined as 2 * n > 10, it will answer FALSE for all n <=5, and TRUE otherwise.

Consider for example this: ∀ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner (n thinks-that-her-husband-denigrades-Poland). Obviously, this predicate is FALSE for the entire set. It is true for your wife, roca, it is true for croggers's wife (assuming that you both are telling the truth) but its is definitively not true for all: ∀ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner.

Capisci? So stay away from all universal statements, like this: "polish women are like that", because such statements are more likely than not to be definitely FALSE.

On the other hand, you might want to use so-called existential quantifier, "there exists", denoted by ∃.
The expression ∃ n ∈ N P(n) denotes existential quantification satisfying the predicate P(n). Translated into English, it means: There is some (or there exists) n, such that n is an element of the set N, that the predicate P(n) is true.
For example, ∃ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner (n thinks-that-her-husband-denigrades-Poland) is TRUE, because we know that there is at least one such woman (either roca's or clogger's wife) who behaves in the prescribed way.
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 Dec 5, 11, 20:06    #9
Krakow has become the first city in Poland to launch a major campaign against graffiti – with a focus on racist slogans.

http://www.krakowpost.com/article/2637


Report it here

www.ekocentrum.krakow.pl
a.k.  Dec 5, 11, 20:14    #10
croggers:
Any reasons to why they would want to vandalize peoples property ?


The reason is stupidy. People who do that want to put a signature of theirs on every wall in a city. Those signatures are called "tags". Probably if you look carefully you will find out that some signatures appears frequently in many parts of a city.
Second group are football hooligans' graffiti - those guys are in war with other teams.
The worst thing is that police and courts doesn't take those things seriously. I've read some time ago about football hooligans who sprayed a single houses area. Some of the people had cctv so police could find who done it. Unfortunately court released those vandals without any charges!!! (niska szkodliwość czynu karalnego!)
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 Dec 5, 11, 21:17    #11
croggers:
the next time you travel through your city have a look at how many buildings actually have graffiti on


it would be a lot easier to count the ones that don't have graffiti.

i've said it before and i'll say it again. they can sell Poland as much as they want for euro 2012, but after seeing all the graffiti visitors will leave with the impression that Poland is here to be trashed.

it's long past the time that Poland woke up to this problem.
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:04    #12
roca:
I have also seen a lot of graffiti everywhere in Poland

so have I

large buildings
large buildings
small buildings
small buildings
nothing gets spared!
nothing gets spared!
absolutely nothing!
absolutely nothing!
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:07    #13
rybnik:
nothing gets spared!

The bridge has potential though. I hope the boys will work on it some more.
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:12    #14
strzyga:
The bridge has potential though. I hope the boys will work on it some more

they did and here it is

fresco
fresco


my fav
my fav
the underpass
the underpass
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:19    #15
rybnik:
so have I


It looks like some poles make an effort to make look their cities crappy
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:31    #16
rybnik:
they did and here it is

oh yes, just as I hoped. Some nice stuff here.

This thread is mostly negative and I'm not going to defend the retards spraying HWDP and RKS PANY on every building, but I've got somewhere pictures of nicer ones too, I may add them here when I find them.
a.k.  Dec 5, 11, 23:51    #17
roca:
It looks like some poles make an effort to make look their cities crappy


Don't you have a graffiti problem in Latin America?
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 Dec 5, 11, 23:53    #18
strzyga:
I'm not going to defend the retards spraying HWDP and RKS PANY

what do those acronyms stand for?
a.k.  Dec 5, 11, 23:56    #19
rybnik:
what do those acronyms stand for?


(c)hwdp = "(c)H*j w d*pę policji"

RKS = some football team
pany= masters
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 Dec 6, 11, 00:00    #20
a.k.:
RKS = some football team


RKS - don't know - maybe Rakowski Klub Sportowy of Częstochowa - there is an RTS - Robotnicze Towarzystwo Sportowe which is the longer name for 'Widzew' of Łódź - and RTS
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 Dec 6, 11, 00:03    #21
rybnik:
HWDP

h** (or ch** according to dictionaries) w d*** policji
I think police cars used to have the same, or very similar, letters on their registration plates.

RKS pany is Robotniczy Klub Sportowy (I think...) - there are variations of it all over Poland - ŁKS, GKS - depending of the localization.
And pany (from "pan") is an equivalent of "rulez".
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 Dec 6, 11, 00:09    #22
ok
thanks all
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 Dec 6, 11, 01:05    #23
The expression ∀ n ∈ N P(n) denotes the universal quantification of the predicate P(n)[...].

ahahahha :D LOL Excellent explanation, pure logic.

We all agree graffiti is created by vandals (with some exceptions). Question: who did this one?? mohair berets??






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