Gypsies or Roma: European and Polish attitudes towards

regionpolskiThreads: 36 Posts: 164 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Jul 15, 07, 12:15 #1
Outside of the Balkans, are Gypsies, or Roma peoples still persecuted on the basis of their culture? How are they treated in Poland?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Jul 15, 07, 12:23 #2
Quoting: regionpolski How are they treated in Poland? I share the neighbourhood with a few Roma families. So for me they are friendly locals.

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Jul 15, 07, 17:03 #3

Quoting: regionpolski

Outside of the Balkans, are Gypsies, or Roma peoples still persecuted on the basis of their culture?

In Russia Gipsy culture is traditionally popular since 19 century. Russians are very fond of Gipsy songs. Besides that it is known that they have strong families and many children.
Russians consider Gipsy women newer comit adulterium.
That is the ground for respect of Gipsies among Russians.

Unfotrunately the relations of Gipsies with the rest of population in Russia is poisoned be high lewel of criminality, especially in drug traffic.
Many Gipsy families sell drug. But it is very uneasy to punish because only women who have many little childten transport drugs/ In case of capture Trial is unable to sentence such woman to a long imprisonment, and tha estimulates narcotrafic.

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Jul 15, 07, 17:12 #4

Quoting: regionpolski

still persecuted on the basis of their culture? How are they treated in Poland?

People here like their music but most of Gypsies are simply shi*ty people - and that's not any racism but fact - they take their kids out of school after they finish few classes, send them to begg and steal and so on. It's good that we have few of them but many are coming from Romania, Slovakia etc.

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07 ♂	Jul 15, 07, 17:32 #5
I have a suspect that Gypsies have a strong punish for their dissidents and renegates, people who want to abandon their communities. I don't have another explication why nearly nobody of them leave tabors for more comfortable living conditions in European traditional societies

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 08:40 #6
Topic attached on merging: How do you feel about gypsies/Roma Gypsies etc.? How people in Poland feel about gypsies/Roma Gypsies etc.?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:10 #7
They suck.

methatronThreads: - Posts: 10 Joined: Jul 22, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:13 #8
Quoting: Grzegorz_ They suck. I agree.

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:14 #9
Quoting: Grzegorz_ They suck. Can you explain why they suck? Some of us here aren't familiar with these Gypsies. Do they cheat the system-rip people off-steal? What's your issue with them?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:17 #10
How about stealing, sending their kids to beg, cheating, taking kids out of schools when they are 13... ?

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:22 #11
Quoting: Grzegorz_ How about stealing, sending their kids to beg, cheating, taking kids out of schools when they are 13... Much better :) Thanks. Do they mix in with the rest of the Polish? I didn't see many in Poznan (more beggars in Gdansk from what I've noticed) do they live in seperate communities?

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Jul 24, 07, 09:26 #12

Quoting: Zgubiony

Do they mix in with the rest of the Polish?

They don't mix. Also they don't respect polish laws (kids getting married, having there own kids and so on)

Quoting: Zgubiony

I didn't see many in Poznan

Recently there has been a sort of an outburst of them. To my knowledge there're at least 4 big (and I do mean big) families in Poznan, and a number of small families, who "serve" the big ones, by sending there own kids to street to beg.

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 09:35 #13
I think I've actually seen them :) This small boy was smoking cigarettes :/, but I didn't know they were gypsies. I assumed that they were darker then your average Pole (besides the tanning tracksuit wearers). I always see the same kids whenever I'm there too. I'm sure you know the ones being as you're from Poznan :)

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Jul 24, 07, 09:40 #14

Funnily enough there was a programme on last night - Panarama - and it was about numbers of immigrants in Slough and the people living in Slough thought they (Roma) were scum and in general were afraid to walk the streets after dark in some areas.

Here is an example:-

There was a family of 24 living in a 3 bed house with one bathroom, guess what they used the garden and the entry at the back of the house as a toilet...they estimate about 400 / 500 live in Slough, also social services find it hard to deal with situations where there is a pregnant 14 year old girl married to a 15 year old boy ....and yes they beg on the street, I have only seen a couple in Manchester, but thats enough for me.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 10:47 #15
Quoting: Amathyst I have only seen a couple in Manchester, in market street?

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 17:38 #16
They are strongly disliked in Ireland. The Romanians hate them more than anyone I think. There is a group of them currently trying to screw the system in Ireland: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6913103.stm

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Jul 24, 07, 19:49 #17
Quoting: espana in market street? The old lady selling the Big Issue?

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Jul 24, 07, 21:15 #18
It sounds like nothing changed in the last 3 or 4 decades. Locals were always on guard when a tabor of Gypsies were passing thru a town or a village. They were so very skillful in stealing...

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Jul 24, 07, 21:39 #19
Quoting: Zgubiony Some of us here aren't familiar with these Gypsies I was told that Gypsies are people who roam the world and don't have a country.... dunno if I should believe this guy, cuz he's a jack@ss, so anyone wanna explain what gypsies are exactly? :] Much appreciated

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,997 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 03:58 #20
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 05:11 #21
Quoting: ArturSzastak so anyone wanna explain what gypsies are exactly? WTF ? Don't you have Gypsies in Amerikka ?

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Jul 25, 07, 05:41 #22

Quoting: ArturSzastak

so anyone wanna explain what gypsies are exactly?

In Russia the say they are a trube who came from India some 1000 years ago. They usually have strict and well organized communities, their leaders called as Baro (some people confund it with Baron - so the term Gipsy Baron appeared). They have an internal legislature and a great division between attitude toward people within the community and abroad. There are many good customs within the community: nobody can stael anything that belongs to another Gipsy family, wimen don't commit adulterium (but not men) no abortions at all. But as to the world outside Gipsy community, no rules are active. It is possible to steal, to sell drugs etc.
The main deficiency in my opinion is that young Gipsies who want to leave the community and live among other people are usually threatened. I at least suspect that

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Edited by: sapphire Jul 25, 07, 05:53 #23

I saw that Panorama programme too.. and its pretty representative of what a lot of people in the UK think about them. In North and Central London they operate in big gangs.. women and babies.. either begging or pickpocketing and then handing over the money to groups of men. Personally I find them agressive and intimidating and think they give Romanian people generally a bad name...and the kids are often downright scary.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 05:55 #24
Deport them to India.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 09:31 #25
Quoting: Amathyst The old lady selling the Big Issue? yes!!!! i see her always (ADIDAS shop)....may be i know you amathyst , and we dont know that!!!!!

ola123	Edited by: ola123 Jul 25, 07, 09:44 #26
I saw many gypsies in Wroclaw, they look different ,they do not integrate, they often beg on bus station and main train station there. Gypsy woman wear strange dresses, man are dangerous, they only walk in groups and are very loud. Generally they are seen negative and dangerous.

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Jul 25, 07, 11:02 #27

Quoting: ola123

Gypsy woman wear strange dresses

Yeah, like old peasants...

Quoting: espana

yes!!!! i see her always (ADIDAS shop)....may be i know you amathyst , and we dont know that!!!!!

Thats the one!

We have probably walked past each other on the odd occassion Mr Cow and not even known it...I've never bought one off her, I dont like the look of her I get mine off the guy in St. Anne Square.

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 11:44 #28
Quoting: espana yes!!!! i see her always (ADIDAS shop)....may be i know you amathyst , and we dont know that!!!!! Espana, as Spanish I'm sure you can tell us much about Gipsies. There are many Gipsies in Spain and Latin America and Spanish people seem to know well their traditions

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 07, 12:06 #29
Quoting: truhlei their traditions dont really like this traditions(all for the male and nothing for the women is not very nice :( Quoting: truhlei I'm sure you can tell us much about Gipsies not much , i just check my wallet every time i see one

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Edited by: espana Jul 25, 07, 12:17 #30
the romanians are more happy and friendly people than the polish , i m sure most of you dont think that becouse is a polish forums .

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