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Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland.


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Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat  May 14, 11, 15:48    #1
Well, I am Pro-Humanist and immigration always, but it is only reasonable to have some rules for such matters. Do you not judge a person before making friends? Do you not investigate before getting into a marriage? Do you not read properly before coming into a business deal? I think we all should do it.

There cannot be room for shady people. Sorry. No, not being unfair, but I say the same for the hooligan and frauds of my own country who are disturbing Poles or citizens of other countries where they immigrate and should respect their laws and also common human decency.

I think immigration is positive, but with proper streamlining of the rules, such as:

The best solution is to have better working immigration policy when it comes to Poland. As I repeatedly say, it should be students who are brought in, along with skilled workers and investors (if they wish).

1. The focus on "certain amount of money in the bank" must be repealed, as this only takes away focus from other stuff.

2. Medical checkup of infectious and incurable diseases such as HIV and others must be done without delay. However, physical disabilities should not be judged unfairly, unless there is someone with enough potential to take care of that person.

3. Students must be given full priority (even welcomed with open arms), while skilled workers can come if they get employment, and investors may stay in Poland if they invest in acceptable manners and margins.

4. Student recruiting "agents" from abroad must be BANNED. Students who can use their own intelligence to contact Universities in our countries and then get accepted can come! Also, our Universities must get in contact with Universities from other Eastern or America or any other nation (you name it) through affiliations, exchange programs etc ... so that valid/genuine students can make efforts themselves to try and enroll here if they wish to live here or work or study.


etc ...

In this way we get genuine students. These people are must more capable and integrate absolutely easily to the host country, and make it home (only if they prefer to do so).

I can tell you that out of a few foreign students I remember, only 6 of them preferred to stay in Poland and got married to Poles, and have children and are doing quite fine. With their talent, I believe they would do just as well in any other country in the world, including theirs. This is because in their country there is enough opportunity for people with their education ... also they can buy all luxuries in their home. However, in special reasons (e.g. taste to live in Poland, a special liking developed for Poland, or a relationship they fell into while in Poland) they actually prefer to live in this country. As a result, it is very natural.

There was an Egyptian friend among these genuine students, who returned to Egypt after his course was over. Didn't even try to stay back.

There were a few others who moved to UK. They were not really serious students, and entered showing money and through AGENTS.

I know and befriended those six who are really good people ... but there are more I have an idea of, who have done well in Poland or returned to their countries as they are quite capable anywhere.

NOW THIS IS NORMAL AND NATURAL. It is WE who often start the problem with our policies. Why come into contract with foreign student recruiting agents? Why not come in contact with REAL UNIVERSITIES and leave it to capable students who can find their way into our Universities themselves? I can tell you that those who can do that, are truly refined people with good brains.

After these measures ... the unskilled, trouble maker (we have our hooligans, same way they have theirs ... and both are loads on any nation), useless and fake folks can stay out.

Plus, our law and order situation must constantly be updated.

This way ... we are not racist, we are only being responsible.

In this new world, Poland needs to integrate to the world aswell. No we cannot SIMPLE CANNOT afford or need a shut down.

Our Universities must allow better Scholarships and keep seats for foreign students, specially from developing nations.

Open borders is my ultimate wish ... but no border or nation or society can be open for crime. Open borders for those who are genuine and worthy. The world is closed to hooligans (from both sides).

IF YOU THINK YOU CAN ADD ANY "REASONABLE" NON-RACIST and NON-CHAOTIC/XENOPHOBIC IDEAS TO THE POLICIES, PLEASE DO. I THINK I CAN WHOLEHEARTEDLY WELCOME MY FRIENDS FROM OTHER NATIONALITIES SUCH AS INDIA, CHINA, KOREA, BANGLADESH, IRAN, EGYPT, SOUTH AMERICA, USA ... ETC (SORRY IF I MISSED ANY) CAN CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE NOT BEEN UNFAIR AGAINST THEM. ITS FAIR FOR ALL THAT GOOD PEOPLE ENSURE THEIR VALIDITY AND SAFETY :).

PolsyrThreads: 7
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Edited by: Polsyr  Oct 14, 11, 12:00    #2
Very well said!

Some promotions wouldn't hurt. American, Canadian and British (not to mention Australian and even French and German) universities send educational missions all over the world to introduce people (particularly from developing nations) to their educational systems and opportunities...

You gain immensely when an intelligent human being comes to your country to learn and then becomes an active part of your society.

People tend to underestimate how far this goes towards helping their own nations develop and prosper.
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Edited by: hythorn  Oct 14, 11, 12:27    #3
a good topic

there ought to be a points system
education, ability to speak the language, lack of criminal record, money in the bank count for you

what gets my goat is asylum seekers claiming that they have to leave their home country for fear of
being killed but then six months later return to that country to go on holiday.

does nobody think that this is a bit odd?

expanding on Lodz's original theme it would be good for the universities to work in closer cooperation with
local employers and build links

the employer gains by getting some free low level consultancy and can get the pick of the litter by hiring the brightest students
and the student actually does something practical for once

I know it happens in Warsaw with the university and some of the more enlightened employers but they are mainly just after interns
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 Oct 14, 11, 12:32    #4
I'd like to see the same standards being used for students on the Polish language and the English language programs.
legendThreads: 9
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 Oct 14, 11, 21:32    #5
A liberals ideas:
If it doesnt fit their agenda its racist/xenophobic.

Europe needs to close the damn borders.

Why are white countries the only ones in this world that allow mass immigration from third world hell holes?
White guilt.

Why are homogeneous countries like Japan doing just fine?
No immigration.
Cornelius  Oct 14, 11, 21:35    #6
legend:

Why are homogeneous countries like Japan doing just fine?
No immigration.


Actually Japan is expected to have problems since not enough young people are going to fill the positions of retired workers. It's why they're considering ways to encourage immigration.
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 Oct 14, 11, 21:41    #7
legend:
Why are white countries the only ones in this world that allow mass immigration from third world hell holes?
White guilt.


what is the name of tarnation do Poles have to feel guilty about?
did Poles wipe out American Indian tribes... erm nope
did Poles have colonies in Africa... erm another resounding no

legend:
Why are homogeneous countries like Japan doing just fine?
No immigration.


oh they are doing just dandy
their economy tanked in the early 90s and still has not recovered

rather than spending billions of euros trying to keep immigrants out, why not spend some of that money trying to
create stability in their home countries?
half the people from Sierre Leone in Europe would not be there if it were not for the fact that they would have had their hands
chopped off if they had stayed at home.
Better an emigree than an amputee, I always say

and what when they have kids? the kids won't know if they are Polish or African or Tupac Shakur

Europe is filling up with immigrants but we are not being selective in the ones we are taking and are doing nothing
to stem the flow by trying to stabilise their home countries
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 Oct 14, 11, 23:07    #8
And Canada was not built by immigrants? You just gotta love the rednecks on web forums EH.
TrevekThreads: 33
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 Oct 16, 11, 20:53    #9
legend:
Why are homogeneous countries like Japan doing just fine?
No immigration.


Funny, I heard they had a lot of filipino migrant workers.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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 Oct 16, 11, 21:06    #10
Trevek:
I heard they had a lot

Yes. There's a huge number of foreigners who've settled in Japan.



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