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Mental health problem or one of the grieving stages? Death and denial.


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 Jun 5, 11, 14:34    #91
The thing you should do first is to focus on a word "delusion", not "paranoia" or "mental illness".
You're on a good way. Somebody must convince her about her "false view" at that fact.
Try to do it. Also keep on saying: "He died". She must believe in it at least. Her immediate family should do the same.
As for medicals, therapies, doctors, I don't know what to advice you.
:)

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 Jun 5, 11, 21:29    #92
Yes, she apparently had a hormone check done a few years ago, for some reason. All normal.

She has spent the weekend reading and looking into various cancer cures in readiness for when she "finds" her father. I have ceased reminding her he has died, I say nothing now.

Well, if there's a breakthrough I will post again. Thanks all.
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 Jun 6, 11, 21:58    #93
This is not a breakthrough or progress as such, but I will post what has happened here anyway, in case it leads to a breakthrough.

The person decided she would go to the hospitals that last treated her father, to see if they know where he is (in reality, he is dead, of course).

At the records office, the clerks told him that she would need authorisation from the patient before they can release any information. However, they did do a search on their system and apparently his details came up. The screen was some distance from the person, but she said there were 4 lines and she called those entries "suspicious".

Immediately afterwards, I asked her what she meant by suspicious. She said she meant that it was odd that they called up the information on the system but then wouldn't let her know what it said. About half an hour later, when I asked her if she could read what it said on the 4 lines, she said it was the names of doctors familiar to her, plus some Latin terminology and the word in Polish for "deceased".

I expected to have to comfort her at this point, but she said that the hospital had obviously made a mistake and the search would go on.

Later on, I asked her what she would do if someone she knew had started to say that their father had not died when everyone else including her knew he had. She said "You mean, forgot?" I said "Whatever the reason, they just suddenly start talking as if he never died and was just missing. What would you do?" She replied "Get them proof." I said "Such as go to a hospital and show them a record which indicates their father as 'deceased'?" She replied "Yes." I asked, "What if they said that the hospital was wrong?" She replied, "Well, that would be ridiculous!" I then paused and said, "But that's exactly what you're saying to me when the screen there showed him as deceased..." To which she replied, "Oh my situation's not the same, he didn't die!"

As she did not accept the grave memorial to be the truth, it is perhaps no surprise that she doesn't find the hospital record to be believable, even if it was just glanced at. She did add that she'd believe it if she saw a Death Certificate but added "Don't even talk like that, he's not dead."

The only bit of progress made is that she is starting to accept he's been absent for years and not just months, and she has started to recall that he gave her instructions regarding what to do with his things if anything happened to him. Whether she remembers the rest as we visit various hospitals he was in, will remain to be seen.
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 Jun 6, 11, 22:32    #94
BritinPoland:
I asked her what she would do if someone she knew had started to say that their father had not died when everyone else including her knew he had. She said "You mean, forgot?" I said "Whatever the reason, they just suddenly start talking as if he never died and was just missing. What would you do?" She replied "Get them proof." I said "Such as go to a hospital and show them a record which indicates their father as 'deceased'?" She replied "Yes." I asked, "What if they said that the hospital was wrong?" She replied, "Well, that would be ridiculous!" I then paused and said, "But that's exactly what you're saying to me when the screen there showed him as deceased..."

Very well handled, BP.

BritinPoland:
The person decided she would go to the hospitals that last treated her father, to see if they know where he is (in reality, he is dead, of course).At the records office, the clerks told him that she would need authorisation from the patient before they can release any information. However, they did do a search on their system and apparently his details came up. The screen was some distance from the person, but she said there were 4 lines and she called those entries "suspicious".Immediately afterwards, I asked her what she meant by suspicious. She said she meant that it was odd that they called up the information on the system but then wouldn't let her know what it said. About half an hour later, when I asked her if she could read what it said on the 4 lines, she said it was the names of doctors familiar to her, plus some Latin terminology and the word in Polish for "deceased".I expected to have to comfort her at this point, but she said that the hospital had obviously made a mistake and the search would go on.



BritinPoland:
She did add that she'd believe it if she saw a Death Certificate but added "Don't even talk like that, he's not dead."The only bit of progress made is that she is starting to accept he's been absent for years and not just months, and she has started to recall that he gave her instructions regarding what to do with his things if anything happened to him. Whether she remembers the rest as we visit various hospitals he was in, will remain to be seen.

I think your little story here today is quite significant. Sounds like she is starting to question it herself, leading her to investigate. And it is good that she saw the word "deceased" in writing, by someone other than you. Reality can't be far off...
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 Jun 6, 11, 22:45    #95
Thanks Llamatic. What I forgot to add was she insisted on walking around some of the wards he was last in, to see if she could spot him. I tried to discourage it for the sake of not disturbing other patients, but she is strong-willed and insisted and I reminded her to use the alcohol hand wash and protective shoes, which she did. I didn't accompany her, and she was fairly quick. "He must have taken himself off somewhere else" was pretty much what she said after leaving each hospital. Another bit of her memory came back also, apparent some poem her father had related to her the last time she saw him. It was very touching and I don't cry easily, but seeing what his remembering the poem meant to her it was hard not to.

Must also add she didn't seem at all down after returning from the hospitals, and was singing to herself as she made me a frankly fantastic smoothie (which I probably deserved after all those journeys in the heat!!)

Well, I hope for that breakthrough...
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 Jun 7, 11, 19:01    #96
BritinPoland:
she made me a frankly fantastic smoothie

Crazy or not, keep this chick around! :D


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