Monitoring Polish Internet?

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Feb 21, 11, 14:27 #1

Gazeta Wybrocza reported that monitoring of the Polish Internet will start in April to protect minorities. Is thsi a good idea, in your view?
http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,Polski-internet-bedzie-pod-nadz orem,wid,13137200,wiadomosc_prasa.html

Polish Internet will be monitored through a computer program, in terms of hostility towards ethnic minorities, sexual and religious - tells Gazeta Wyborcza.

In any case, if recognized would be "hate speech", the portal administrator will be informed, and extreme cases will be reported to the prosecution. The first nationwide measure is expected to begin as early as this week. Interest in the program is the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Administration and NGOs, including Open Republic and the Association of Legal Intervention.

The program officially be launched in April.

JroThreads: 2 Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 21, 11 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 14:45 #2
Regulating internet usage sounds interesting, as long as the privacy is maintained and it is solely used for its designed purpose. And, of course there should not be any loopholes in the system, the system must be tested for all its boundaries and securities. Seems that, the investment is made to build this system, to get some positive service.

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Feb 21, 11, 14:49 #3

It's a terrible idea. Threats are already illegal. How about just enforcing the laws on the books and treating each other as equal as long as it doesn't effect you? The problem is that "hate speech" laws ultimately lead to someone using the big brush and covering any sort of criticism with that term. I can already see this leading to prosecutions based on criticism of the Catholic Church for instance. Bad, bad, bad idea.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 14:51 #4
And any 'monitoring' system is full of holes anyway. Even in the most repressive contries where so much of the internet is blocked, people get round it easily. Pissing in the wind.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 14:56 #5
convex: How about just enforcing the laws on the books I could be reading this wrong but isn't that what this monitoring thing will be doing? Finding hate speech and enforcing the law?

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Feb 21, 11, 15:03 #6

SeanBM:

I could be reading this wrong but isn't that what this monitoring thing will be doing?
Finding hate speech and enforcing the law?

The article is a bit light on meat. My view is that if you have to actually seek out hate speech, it isn't hurting anyone. Improving the system of humans reporting would be a much better use of resources instead of a spider that indexes sites containing certain keywords.

Thankfully freedom of speech laws are strong in the jurisdiction that this site is based...

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 17:40 #7
Polonius3: and extreme cases will be reported to the prosecution Every self-respecting troll has a prepaid sim card to gain gsm internet access :)

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Edited by: AdamKadmon Feb 21, 11, 18:54 #8
Hercules will do his dirty labor? May the Augean stables be clean fast at last. They should also remove typos, different errors and make necessary corrections.

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Feb 21, 11, 20:28 #9

Hallo,
Just my two Russian copecks... Here, they DID try monitoring the 'Net as a part of "Protect the kids" program, and one of my sources of income dried out in no time: I used to translate for a team of physicians, dealing, among everything, in fields where the texts could frequently contain e.g. the words "children" and "sex" in the same sentence. As a result, strictly _medical_ sites got blocked as kiddie porn!
Dead serious...
That government governs the best which governs the least.

rabidbavibThreads: - Posts: 21 Joined: Sep 27, 10 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 20:36 #10
convex: Thankfully freedom of speech laws are strong in the jurisdiction that this site is based... would you care if they wern't? Wonder if theyll enforce this the same way as speeding fines, ie if you say it wasnt you they cant do anything.(so ive been told anyway)

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Feb 21, 11, 20:41 #11

Polonius3:

Gazeta Wybrocza reported that monitoring of the Polish Internet will start in April to protect minorities. Is thsi a good idea, in your view?

You have written GW and posted link from wp?

Polonius3:

Is thsi a good idea, in your view?

If Polish news portals were really intrested in high discussion standards they could easly solved the problem much ealier without any high-tech artificial intelligence programmes.
In some portals whenever I push the buttom "report", a window with registration/login pops up. Why the hell I can't report any comment when not being a registered user? The great Polish news portals obviously don't moderate comments at all unless they are reported by some user. If they really watnted to make it better they would moderate every comment before publishing as I see it happens on many foreign sites.
They turn a blind eye on worthless sarcastic comments which only clutter the forums... actually that news means that Polish portals will need to get rid of 90% of their forums. It would be easier to erase it all and start everything again from the scratch...

rabidbavibThreads: - Posts: 21 Joined: Sep 27, 10 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 20:59 #12
puella: They turn a blind eye on worthless sarcastic comments which only clutter the forums... Sarcastic comments worthless! not if they teach ignorant haters about themselves, thus eliminating the need for us to pay for prisons, just cos someone doesnt like someone else. UP WITH SARCASM.

puellaThreads: 9 Posts: 319 Joined: Jan 10, 11 ♀	Feb 21, 11, 21:03 #13
rabidbavib: not if they teach ignorant haters about themselves, what if they teach normal people about ignorant haters?

TlumThreads: 17 Posts: 136 Joined: Feb 20, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 21:12 #14
Jro: Regulating internet usage sounds interesting It seems you are working for the government. More control of our lives? No, thank you. convex: Thankfully freedom of speech laws are strong in the jurisdiction that this site is based... The US will follow. Or they already did.

rabidbavibThreads: - Posts: 21 Joined: Sep 27, 10 ♂	Feb 21, 11, 21:12 #15
Do people not teach children to walk on the other side of the road when they see a drunk, cant just lock him up forever!

puellaThreads: 9 Posts: 319 Joined: Jan 10, 11 ♀	Feb 21, 11, 21:20 #16
rabidbavib: Do people not teach children to walk on the other side of the road when they see a drunk, cant just lock him up forever! The news says that they will delete hateful comments not put authors into jails. And it's about sensitive people who read it and feel to be victims of attack.

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Feb 21, 11, 21:25 #17

puella:

The news says that they will delete hateful comments not put authors into jails

Right. Today they will remove 'hateful comments'; tomorrow they will remove comments supporting political Party X or presidential candidate Y. And the day after tomorrow they will remove comments exposing negative effects of Drug_Z (after a lobbyist of the Drug_Z company paid enough money to the 'censorship organization').

Corruption and manipulation possibilities of 'monitoring' are ENDLESS.

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Feb 21, 11, 21:49 #18

Tlum:

Right. Today they will remove 'hateful comments'; tomorrow they will remove comments supporting political Party X or presidential candidate Y. And the day after tomorrow they will remove comments exposing negative effects of Drug_Z (after a lobbyist of the Drug_Z company paid enough money to the 'censorship organization').

And then chemical castration and another step - "Prozium" for everyone. For our own safety.

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