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nunczkaThreads: 17
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Joined: Sep 13, 08 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:31    #121
nunczka, that's a heartwarming story, I don't really believe you though. I don't know a thing about you so you'll have to not take that as an insult but rather a comment on e-communication. Nonetheless, suppose it is true, in what way does that support Lyzko's claim and what is Lyzko's claim?


I have been through this before on PF.. I have no desire to try convincing you of my past.. You can take it or leave i could care less
pgtxThreads: 49
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Joined: Feb 14, 09  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:33    #122
Please get back to discussing if New Polish generation prefers black culture? Thanks.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Foreigner4  Aug 8, 11, 16:33    #123
Look, just try to stay on topic sunshine and let me worry about my troll status. Now what on earth does the second world war have to do with the slave trade to the new world?
In your opinion who is supposed to be feeling guilty regarding these events?
What is the point of this question which you asked me: How could a person born after 1945 have either known of first hand or committed a war crime, huh, smart guy????
How is this relevant to "Black Culture?" in Poland?

ok nunczka, i'm leaving it.
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 16:34    #124
Midas, my analogy is only as "offensive" as it is (MIS)taken to be. By stating comparisons, I'm clearly not being offensive. You merely took offense.
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:36    #125
Look, just try to stay on topic

The topic being Polish youth's preference for black culture, which is not what you are arguing about at all you silly hypocrite.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Foreigner4  Aug 8, 11, 16:39    #126
How is this relevant to "Black Culture?" in Poland?

I'm guessing you're a fan of such culture as it most certainly has a reductionist affect on individuals and their capacity to be objective. Now please allow the gentleman to answer:)
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 16:40    #127
My original on-point comments way back when, were that what passes for "black" culture among many younger Europeans (including Poles!) is actually the "ghettoized" culture of rage which feeds rappers etc.. and not the more dignified expression of said culture as typified by Zora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes, Paul Robeson etc....
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:45    #128
Ok, gotcha, so you're not a fan of the modern expression of Black Culture?

As stated, I think that term is incredibly inaccurate and nonsensical. Can someone define "Black Culture" and tell me how it's different than Hip Hop culture?
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 16:47    #129
Hip-Hop grew out of previous African-American movements, that's all. That whites such as Eminem adopted it, is secondary.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:51    #130
Yeah, that's not news to me though. Are you trying to say that this Hip Hop appeal in Poland has grown out of similar roots here in Poland or...
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Aug 8, 11, 16:53    #131
Foriegner and Lyzko both of you are stereotyping the black culture that Polish youth prefer as being angry and unindividualistic. Surely youthful hi-hop has angry expressions as is to be expected from any youthful art, regardless of the color of its orignators, but hip hop is far from promoting conformism. To the contrary hip-hop in music, as well as in other artistic outlets, encourages its practitioners to develope their own distinct styles. Lyzko do you really believe neither Langston Hughes nor Paul Robeson ever expressed rage in their books and songs? If so I suggest you revisit their work and be disabused of your misapprehension.
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 16:56    #132
Nie! Moim zdaniem jest, że wielu Polaków nie znaje byłej 'kultury czarnej', przed około 1994 r, a nie rozumią różnicę miedzy Hip-hop, Rap, Reggae i Soul!

My point is that many Poles aren't familiar with prior black culture before around 1994, they don't see the differences bwtween hip-hop, rapm reggae and soul.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Foreigner4  Aug 8, 11, 16:57    #133
I didn't need it in English but thanks anyhow.
Please show me examples of where I did this stereotyping said culture being "angry and unindividualistic." My main task here is to find out what "Black Culture" is according to people and determine how it's different than Hip Hop culture or Rap culture, or Thug culture (pick one).
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 16:58    #134
Des Essientes, expressing rage vs. vulgar "hate-whitey" anger as violence are two different things.
plgrl  Aug 8, 11, 17:00    #135
Having said that, the less influence there is of ghetto thug culture on Polish culture, the better.


How do you know it's not a inner-grown phenomenon? I doubt that Peja was inspired with American gangsta rap.


Guys this thread should be closed and deleted. The original question was about fascination with so called hip-hop culture not about inner ethnical problems in the USA.

For you all I recommend you one of my favorite tunes from hippie era:
Rotary Connection "I am the black gold of the sun"

Are there anybody else who likes this song? If you not, you have no taste ;P
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:01    #136
Foreigner, you claim in post #126 above that "such culture":
most certainly has a reductionist affect on individuals

Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:05    #137
Foreigner, you claim in post #126 above that "such culture":

Which culture?
Hip Hop, Thug or "Black?"

Are they all the same thing or are there differences? That being said I'll own up to that as stereotyping but I am not prepared to admit it's unfair as of yet.
Lyzko  Aug 8, 11, 17:09    #138
But don't you see, Plgrl, that ethnic problems and hip-hop culture are intertwined? It's like saying 'Let's talk about klezmer music in post-War Poland and leave out the Holocaust!' It cannot be done.
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Joined: Jun 14, 11 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:12    #139
Can someone define "Black Culture" and tell me how it's different than Hip Hop culture?


Firstly, there are a lot more black people in the world than those you see on American TV and before Hip hop came on the scene there was a cultural heritage and loooong after Hip hop has been forgotten there will still be a black culture.

The fact that polish kids copy it could be the same as why some went with the Anarchist movement. Whatever is viewed as bad by adults will be seen as "cool" by the kids... It's simple psychology and they just do it for attention or to get a rise out of you and they're succeeding.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:13    #140
So are Poles embracing "ethnic problems" then? I realize it's popular here but I think it's just because of its pervasiveness in American and English media sources and well, dumb kids are dumb. It's monkey see, monkey do with them.

I don't get it. Are we only allowed to answer "yes" or "no" to the thread title and nothing else? I think the moderator may have stymied something relevant...well at least debate-worthy to some of us:/
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:14    #141
Which culture?
Hip Hop, Thug or "Black?"

If you would read the entire thread you would see that some weeks ago I made it clear that in my opinion it is surely hip-hop that is the black culture that Polish youth prefer, but that being said hip-hop has thuggish expressions and I am sure that some Polish youth find them to their taste. Honestly who hasn't fantasized about brutally dispatching one's enemies and gaining wealth by nefarious methods? Thuggish hip-hop has its charms.
Foreigner4Threads: 22
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Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Foreigner4  Aug 8, 11, 17:15    #142
Firstly, there are a lot more black people in the world than those you see on American TV

Which is why I think the term is kind of a misnomer...
If you would read the entire thread you would see that some weeks ago I made it clear that in my opinion it is surely hip-hop

No offense but I wasn't going to read the whole thread nor was I aware you had defined the term and everyone agreed or not. I just wanted to get some people to give their interpretation.
Now about that stereotyping...
TheManThreads: -
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Joined: Jun 14, 11 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:17    #143
Honestly who hasn't fantasized about brutally dispatching one's enemies and gaining wealth by nefarious methods?


I honestly haven't, but you put it so eloquently maybe I should relive my Hip Hop youth :)
JonnyMThreads: 16
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Aug 8, 11, 17:22    #144
Honestly who hasn't fantasized about brutally dispatching one's enemies and gaining wealth by nefarious methods?

Probably most people. Tell us some more about your violent fantasies, maybe...
plgrl  Aug 8, 11, 17:44    #145
It's like saying 'Let's talk about klezmer music in post-War Poland


It's Poland related forum and every discussion must have something to do with Poland.
Lyzko  Aug 9, 11, 19:26    #146
No, tak jest! Właśnie Plgrl! So there you are, that's it exactly! Black culture and its influence on hip-hop have everything to do with the present topic. Nothing exists in isolation-:)
ILoveArekThreads: 1
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Joined: Nov 7, 11  Pictures: 3 ♀ 		 Nov 7, 11, 23:50    #147
This is incredibly stereotypical, and an ignorant view. First of all you can not group any one group of people together and say they are the same.There is no such thing as "acting Black". Fair enough there are cultural differences in everyone, but that is not based on the colour of ones skin, but on the environment in which they have been raised, and the people they have grown up with. So often people will say to me that I act like a white girl, there reasons are because I am articulate, and intellectual (in their opinions). Whats so crazy about it is most often it is black people, moreso men that will say these things. Is it so incomprehensible that a black woman can be intelligent, well mannered and carry herself with dignity? I dont listen to rap music, although if there were a song that I liked I would. I like most genres of music, even metal (believe it or not) I do not consider rock, "white music". And i do not smoke weed...but there is a girl that I know who does it all the time, and with her parents. She is white. There Is nothing black about her, she is simply someone who likes to smoke weed. If anything you should say that the younger Polish generation are interested in Hip hop culture, for e.g with the way that they dress. But to say they act black is just plain ignorance, and stereotyping at its best.
ShAlEyNsTfOhThreads: 8
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Joined: Feb 5, 11  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Nov 8, 11, 03:29    #148
LMAO

yo, rap is rap... in EVERY country worldwide, artists make rap songs in their national language(s)... biggggg deal!!
Lyzko  Nov 8, 11, 14:29    #149
The question remains though whether or not so-called 'black' i.e. 'African-American' hip-hop etc... necessarily translate into Polish culture! The mistaken notion is that somehow it does, since ALL culture is universal, ergo, English is THE sole universal language of cultural expression, correct?

Incorrect. At least I've found that precisely the stereotype(s) of American culure (black or white) persist(s) and the reality is usually far different from what is portrayed aborad. Many Europeans maintain the prejudiced belief that most American (white) males are like Homer Simpson!

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