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 May 21, 11, 22:36    #1
I've just started reading a book by English anthropologist Kate Fox, daughter of Robin Fox, also an anthropologist. She explains how growing up with her father, he taught her how to study people when entering a new country for the first time and, how this has always remained with her, she then givers the following example;

Two years ago, for example, my fiancé Henry took me to visit some friends in Poland. As we were driving in an English car, he relied on me, the passenger, to tell him when it was safe to overtake. Within twenty minutes of crossing the Polish border, I started to say ‘Yes, go now, it’s safe,’ even when there were vehicles coming towards us on a two-lane road.
After he had hastily applied the brakes and aborted a planned overtake at the last minute, he clearly began to have doubts about my judgement. ‘What are you doing? That wasn’t safe at all! Didn’t you see that big lorry?’ ‘Oh yes,’ I replied, ‘but the rules are different here in Poland. There’s obviously a tacit understanding that a wide two-lane road is really three lanes, so if you overtake, the driver in the front and the one coming towards you will move to the side to give you room.’
Henry asked politely how I could possibly be sure of this, given that I had never been to Poland before and had been in the country less than half an hour. My response, that I had been watching the Polish drivers and they all clearly followed this rule, was greeted with perhaps understandable scepticism. Adding ‘Trust me, I’m an anthropologist’ probably didn’t help much either, and it was some time before he could be persuaded to test my theory. When he did, the vehicles duly parted like the Red Sea to create a ‘third lane’ for us, and our Polish host later confirmed that there was indeed a sort of unofficial code of etiquette that required this.
My sense of triumph was somewhat diluted, though, by our host’s sister, who pointed out that her countrymen were also noted for their reckless and dangerous driving. Had I been a bit more observant, it seemed, I might have noticed the crosses, with flowers around the base, dotted along the roadsides – tributes placed by bereaved relatives to mark the spots w at which people had been killed in road accidents.



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 May 21, 11, 22:45    #2
That's just scary, man. You better hope the driver moves over.
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 May 21, 11, 22:48    #3
PlasticPole:
You better hope the driver moves over.


and when he doesn't u get the cross at the side of the road.
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 May 21, 11, 22:54    #4
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and when he doesn't u get the cross at the side of the road.

That could be why there are so many...
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 May 21, 11, 23:03    #5
PlasticPole:
You better hope the driver moves over.


They always do...if they see you coming....

The problems arise when the oncoming driver is not looking out for you due to telling off his kids in the back seat while texting on his mobile phone....
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Edited by: PlasticPole  May 21, 11, 23:12    #6
wildrover:

They always do...if they see you coming....

I still don't think I could drive into oncoming traffic like that, trusting on the good faith of other drivers. I wouldn't try to pass...at first. If I saw other people doing it and the drivers always moving over, I might get the nerve to try it then.
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 May 21, 11, 23:21    #7
Heh, so we have here suicide anthropologist;) Overtaking like that is the simplest way to get killed. It is also forbidden by law:) You can't overtake when there's incoming vehicle on the 2nd lane. NEVER.
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 May 21, 11, 23:24    #8
PlasticPole:
I still don't think I could drive into oncoming traffic like that, trusting on the good faith of other drivers. I wouldn't try to pass...at first. If I saw other people doing it and the drivers always moving over, I might get the nerve to try it then.

It is not you like drive into oncoming traffic regardless conditions.And it is an unwritten rule that the vehicle you are overtaking moves to the right to give you more room.I always do that and it really pisses me off when someone don't but only ******* a$$holes and stupid foraigners don't do it.
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 May 21, 11, 23:24    #9
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Heh, so we have here suicide anthropologist;) Overtaking like that is the simplest way to get killed. It is also forbidden by law:) You can't overtake when there's incoming vehicle on the 2nd lane. NEVER.

Then I wouldn't try it at all, lol.
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Edited by: pawian  May 21, 11, 23:42    #10
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After he had hastily applied the brakes and aborted a planned overtake at the last minute, he clearly began to have doubts about my judgement. ‘What are you doing? That wasn’t safe at all! Didn’t you see that big lorry?’ ‘Oh yes,’ I replied, ‘but the rules are different here in Poland. There’s obviously a tacit understanding that a wide two-lane road is really three lanes, so if you overtake, the driver in the front and the one coming towards you will move to the side to give you room.’
Henry asked politely how I could possibly be sure of this, given that I had never been to Poland before and had been in the country less than half an hour. My response, that I had been watching the Polish drivers and they all clearly followed this rule, was greeted with perhaps understandable scepticism. Adding ‘Trust me, I’m an anthropologist’ probably didn’t help much either, and it was some time before he could be persuaded to test my theory. When he did, the vehicles duly parted like the Red Sea to create a ‘third lane’ for us, and our Polish host later confirmed that there was indeed a sort of unofficial code of etiquette that required this.



See the perfect example of 3rd party overtaking.

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 May 21, 11, 23:44    #11
There's some fast reflexes, Pawian, lol. It's something one doesn't see everyday.
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 May 21, 11, 23:47    #12
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There's some fast reflexes, Pawian, lol. It's something one doesn't see everyday.


I was sitting next to the coach driver and wasn`t scared. I just knew that coming cars would move to the side. I am a naturally born killer Pole. :):):)
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 May 21, 11, 23:48    #13
The most common cause of accidents in Poland from my observations are cars overtaking from three or four behind the slow vehicle then having car one or two pulling out also to overtake thus colliding with the car from behind already committed. If you ever wondered how so many accidents can happen on straight roads that's a classic example.
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Edited by: Antek_Stalich  May 21, 11, 23:53    #14
This is why I try driving through either 4-lanes or -- caution -- ternary roads, where hardly any traffic exists. This is how I made Wroc³aw from Masovia last morning: Since the Eight (especially near to Piotrków) is under total repairs (and that route from Be³chatów is classical example of bad two-lane primary road), I have driven by secondary and ternary roads making my route in 4:30.
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 May 21, 11, 23:54    #15
Gregrog:
You can't overtake when there's incoming vehicle on the 2nd lane. NEVER.


The Polish drivers do not appear to know this....
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 May 21, 11, 23:55    #16
wildrover:
The Polish drivers do not appear to know this....

Who, I? ;-)

Wildrover... generalizing? ;-)
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 May 21, 11, 23:55    #17
Wroclaw Boy:
The most common cause of accidents in Poland from my observations are cars overtaking from three or four behind the slow vehicle then having car one or two pulling out also to overtake thus colliding with the car from behind already committed. If you ever wondered how so many accidents can happen on straight roads that's a classic example.


I think the main cause of accidents is speed. Poles love breaking speed limits. They seem to think that speed limit signs are set in miles but nevertheless, always manage to break them:
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MAREK_ANO  May 21, 11, 23:59    #18
YES, SURE
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 May 21, 11, 23:59    #19
I think major problem are suicide drivers joining the traffic instead of yielding. I see this as the MAJOR problem in Poland, and I drive a lot, so I know.
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 May 22, 11, 00:03    #20
Antek_Stalich:
This is why I try driving through either 4-lanes or -- caution -- ternary roads, where hardly any traffic exists.

That's really good advice. Avoid roads with cars on them ;)
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Edited by: Antek_Stalich  May 22, 11, 00:07    #21
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Antek_Stalich: This is why I try driving through either 4-lanes or -- caution -- ternary roads, where hardly any traffic exists.
That's really good advice. Avoid roads with cars on them ;)

Really, why not? This morning, the only vehicles I met on the road were delivery vans. Not much trouble. The only slowdown was on the last segment, the remaining part of the Eight from Walichnowy to Wroc³aw, when everything slowed down, as always on primary road.
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 May 22, 11, 00:16    #22
Antek_Stalich:
Really, why not? This morning, the only vehicles I met on the road were delivery vans. Not much trouble. The only slowdown was on the last segment, the remaining part of the Eight from Walichnowy to Wroc³aw, when everything slowed down, as always on primary road.

I totally agree with you. I prefer driving roads with little traffic, myself. Less to worry about that way.
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 May 22, 11, 00:22    #23
PlasticPole:
prefer driving roads with little traffic, myself. Less to worry about that way.


Exactly:
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 May 22, 11, 00:25    #24
I prefer to have some asphalt on the road, Pawian, heh.
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Edited by: pawian  May 22, 11, 00:27    #25
PlasticPole:
I prefer to have some asphalt on the road, Pawian, heh.


How about a little bit of off road adventure?
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 May 22, 11, 00:43    #26
pawian:

How about a little bit of off road adventure?

Only with a 4 X 4 that won't get torn up.
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 May 22, 11, 01:00    #27
PlasticPole:
Only with a 4 X 4 that won't get torn up.


Why do you say 4x4? Shouldn`t it be 2x2?
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 May 22, 11, 01:24    #28
Have a look at this crazy Polish driving...

Its very safe though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvrRB24ybs
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 May 22, 11, 01:47    #29
More mad Polish drivers...


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 May 22, 11, 01:52    #30
pawian:
Why do you say 4x4? Shouldn`t it be 2x2?

Hehe. Four wheel drive vehicle ;)


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