Is parity the answer for Polish women?

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Oct 7, 10, 15:53 #1

Not only the Wednseday Witch (rapid femi-fascist Magdalena Środa) but also Janusz Palikot are calling for gender parity. At least 50% of candidates for political office must be women. A political party is of course free to submit a 50-50 slate of candidates but they want it to become the law of the land obligating all poltical parites. Do you believe this is the way to go? If not enough good female candidates come forward then the missing places will have to be filled by female mediocrities and also-rans. Whaddya think?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 7, 10, 15:54 #2
Polonius3: Not only the Wednseday Witch (rapid femi-fascist Magdalena Środa) but also Janusz Palikot are calling for gender parity. I like the way that you're using the word "fascist" to describe a social democrat. Could it be because anyone that opposes your rather outdated views is immediately a fascist, in the great line of Catholic-Socialist leaders in Poland?

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 15:55 #3
Polonius on his trolling again...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 15:58 #4
Given that women outnumber men, you should wonder why not? However, we all know how power works and how parity is an illusion in the broader scheme of things.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 7, 10, 15:59 #5
Is parity the answer for Polish women? not in my opinion. the only candidate should be the best candidate. male or female.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 7, 10, 16:00 #6
Polonius3: Do you believe this is the way to go? I believe that it should be 75:25, since men managed to screw up the last 20 years of politics, so 75 % women and 25% men, so it looks good on the paper for the EU.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 16:02 #7
aphrodisiac: I believe that it should be 75:25, since men managed to screw up the last 20 years of politics, so 75 % women and 25% men, so it looks good on the paper for the EU. Oh come on, you women would go to war with any country that might possess better shoes ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 16:03 #8
Good point, Wrocław. However, we know that mechanisms don't really allow for that. Look at Lady Ashton, LOL. She is not the best candidate for such an exalted EU post.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 7, 10, 16:04 #9
dtaylor5632: Oh come on, you women would go to war with any country that might possess better shoes ;) lets see. Seanus: She is not the best candidate for such an exalted EU post. she is not better or worse then any other man.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 16:06 #10
aphrodisiac: she is not better or worse then any other man. Well thats just bollox, she must be better or worse than some man, or else I'd be in the job!

alexw68

Edited by: alexw68 Oct 7, 10, 16:08 #11

The solution? Be pragmatic. Silly things like quotas (unless you are Norwegian and can therefore do it properly) just play into the hands of pompous prigs and circus clowns on both sides of the debate.

What is clear is that Politics in most countries and Poland in particular remains largely a male preserve. Ask Zyta Gilowska following her lustration trial (there was an interview in Polityka, sorry, no citation to hand). Not a lady one imagines who has much truck with doctrinaire feminism but knows exactly whereof she speaks. So - raise the power and opportunity for women in politics starting now, but do it without insisting on 50-50 from the start. That will take social and cultural change - and it will take generations.

The best example of how to look stupid with gender quotas comes from a UK Government memo requiring that over 25% of the Afghan parliament be women if the UK is to continue supporting the country to the current level.

The current coalition Government has managed to fill a mere 22% of its seats with women MPs.

Nevertheless, that is progress. It's just rather slower than many would like.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 16:09 #12
The sweeping consensus is that she was ushered in by bigwigs that liked what she had to say and not on her track record. She is not seen as the best candidate for the job by those that would vote her in. The EU is an agglomeration of hand-picked chumps!

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Oct 7, 10, 16:36 #13

A femi-fascist is a 'hurray for our side' man-hater whose whole mentality has been contaminated by genderism. Her only other bugbear is Catholicism. Read some of her blogs. If she isn't feminising she's Church-bashing in one way or the other.
Believe it or not, Środa recently said (regarding the Radziszewska row), that as a paracticing Catholic Radziszewska has no business being an equality minister.
It's a case of sour grapes, because Środa herself was the gender-equality minister in the post-commie cabinet.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 18:57 #14
Polonius3: Is parity the answer for Polish women? No. Many feminist thinks that it makes them lame. I don't like thsi idea either. Its stupid as many other equal chance ideas (such as additional points when applaing college)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 19:00 #15
Slavic women are not stupid to resign from the rights feminity ascribes to them.Feminism is a thing invented and applied in anglosaxon and Scandinavian countries only and reflects their constitutions.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 22:07 #16
Social alignment is key. Women can always make a play for more within the confines of the game but they seem to accept the status quo that more men occupy the higher-end jobs and the convention that the man will pay for more things in the relationship. There is inadvertent parity in a sense :)

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Oct 7, 10, 22:29 #17

Polonius3:

A political party is of course free to submit a 50-50 slate of candidates but they want it to become the law of the land obligating all poltical parites. Do you believe this is the way to go?

Of course; as soon as these same women demand that 50% of all construction workers are women; that 50% of all long-haul truck drivers are women; 50% of all firefighters,roofers, fishermen, refuse collectors,electrical powerline installers, oil rig workers, welders, crane operators, etc, etc. are women as well.

Yet, it's odd that some want to legislate thru quotas instead of merit; but that's just me.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 22:35 #18
Polonius3: Is parity the answer for Polish women? No, it is not. Such things can`t be forced upon people by legislation, the best is a natural process. Currently, Polish women are not too interested in politics. Making them interested could be too stressful for all parties/sides involved.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 10, 22:55 #19
pawian: Currently, Polish women are not too interested in politics. I agree.Only babcias and radio Maria fanatics seem interested in politics.

alexw68

Edited by: alexw68 Oct 7, 10, 23:01 #20

pawian:

Currently, Polish women are not too interested in politics. Making them interested could be too stressful for all parties/sides involved.

Vicious circle, surely. If the current climate (not only in PL) excludes women from expressing themselves politically/realising their political potential (it surely does) then like any good pragmatist they will seek their fulfilments elsewhere.

A lack of interest in PL politics is hardly a female preserve. That Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz - didn't he use to be a politico once? Jacked it in once Kaczynski gave him the boot and now look - CEE advisor to Goldmans in London. Honestly, what a big girl's blouse...

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Oct 8, 10, 06:05 #21
if women are equal to men than they don't need legislation to get elected to political office.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 10, 11:13 #22
Men should ask for gold digging parity.

tow_stalinThreads: 2 Posts: 72 Joined: Jul 21, 10 ♂	Oct 8, 10, 11:41 #23
parity isn't good solution for no one. that's mine opinion - parity ,when talking about politics is just forcing people to do things which they don't want to do. and why come down only to gender? why shouldn't we create parity based on height, hair color, education, etc?

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Edited by: AdamKadmon Oct 8, 10, 11:59 #24
tow_stalin: when talking about politics is just forcing people to do things which they don't want to do As less and less people are interested in party politics, it should become a preserve of women, just as the teaching profession and to a lesser extent babysitting.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Oct 8, 10, 14:26 #25
Women continue to demand chivalry and special privileges while claiming independence. "I'm the woman, so open my doors, pay my way, pay for dates, buy me diamonds and give me a house and affirmative action in white collar power careers BUT TREAT ME LIKE AN EQUAL!" Relationships between men and women shouldn't be political!

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Oct 15, 10, 21:27 #26

The problem with parity is that society has already created such an imbalance. In an ideal world, there would be a movement towards it but now we have an awkward position for both sides unless lines can be drawn.

For example, in terms of holidays, shopping, credit and renovation goes, there is simply no comparison between my wife and I. Yes, we are married but isn't it funny that it becomes 50/50 when it comes to entitlements yet is 90/10 when it comes to outgoings/expenses? It grates me sometimes that my money is whittled away and that there isn't more of an even playing field. The man is expected to pay more but not that much. Some women here just seem to coast along on the Princess Syndrome. Then again, the man often consents to it through his own weakness.

A strive towards parity will only tip the scales the other way as give people an inch and they will take a mile (I prefer this to yard as a yard is too short).

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Oct 15, 10, 21:40 #27
Seanus Some women here just seem to coast along on the Princess Syndrome. What is "The Princess Syndrome"? Seanus, explain it to me, please.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 21:46 #28
The Princess Syndrome is where some women feel that they should receive pristine treatment due to their looks only. They get it into their vain heads that they merit all things under the sun based on a face which, let's face it, is overrated. That's the gist of it!

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Oct 15, 10, 21:51 #29
Seanus The man is expected to pay more but not that much. I don't think so. How "the syndrome" is related to the parity?

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Oct 15, 10, 21:55 #30

I'd say the man is expected to pay more without question. The Princess Syndrome (PS) can really shift the balance by excessive demands. Boots here, gloves there etc etc. If parity were to come about by whatever means, the pendulum would truly swing against those men that fell prey to the PS. It's not in peoples' nature to strive for equality. Look at the notion of communism and how it was abused (Animal Farm, for example). Maybe fairness is more the word to use.

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