People living in Warsaw are rootless peasants!

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Sep 2, 11, 16:41 #1

It's a commonly-held view of people living outside of Warsaw that Varsovians are peasants (in terms of culture) who pretend they are something better. Certainly, the city empties for Christmas and especially All Saints as all the peasants go home.

If posting an answer to this thread, please say whether you live in a big city - as you too might have a rootless peasant "compleks".

I come from a post-industrial town in northern England. No peasantry in my English background for time out of mind.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 16:59 #2
Certainly, the city empties for Christmas and especially All Saints as all the peasants go home. Holidays are the best times to be in Warsaw!

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 17:09 #3
Why use the hospitality of this site simply to provoke people? No peasantry in my English background for time out of mind. Sure about that? If so, you certainly don't show noblesse oblige.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,228 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 17:13 #4
Sure about that? If so, you certainly don't show noblesse oblige. Well said that man. But......Warsawians I know,with pre war history in the city do often say that the heart of Warsaw was lost after the war and most people they now know are from further afield ( in the way I am considered an outsider in my small town for having been born else where and only arriving aged 18 months...).

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 17:22 #5
( in the way I am considered an outsider in my small town for having been born else where and only arriving aged 18 months...). I heard an English guy on the radio who had lived in Australia for 25 years. An aussi asked him how long he'd been there, and when told he said, "D'ye think you're gonna like it?"

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Sep 2, 11, 17:27 #6

Lols, I wonder if he knows his neighbours names yet ????
Australias a funny place,you either seem to "get it"and the people "get you" or its just an epic fail and a long flight back to blighty ,sort of like one huge Yorkshire market town,but with sunnier weather and kangaroos....:)
But,back on topic, though it did sound a bit inflametory tbh..... again, the "rootless peasant" bit sounds harsh and judgemental,but,in reality ,from what I gathered its just a sad fact of post war life,the country side was drained of young people to re populate Warsaw :(

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Sep 2, 11, 17:50 #7

The problem is that denizens of Warsaw are so derogatory about so much of their peasant heritage, and yet there is nothing to sneer at. What's so bad about working the land and living in small communities? I'm sick of all the guff about "Polska A" and "Polska B" that comes from people whose roots are in "Polska B". I hear the sneering comments at work when we're in larger groups. Individually, people speak quite normally about country folk - then either go quiet or go all "Polska A" when the subject is brought up in the presence of others.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,228 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 18:14 #8
The grasping middle classes are always the first to try and hide or denegrate their roots.......its funny really because the genuine "upper classes" absolutly love finding scandles and skeletons in exquisite regency cupboards ;)

adriokorThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Aug 26, 11 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 18:20 #9
What a pointless topic, go find something better to do OP.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 18:29 #10
If posting an answer to this thread, please say whether you live in a big city - as you too might have a rootless peasant "compleks". My background, I do a little gardening from time to time if you must know. So what’s the commotion all about? Warszawa to tylko trochę większa wiocha a słoma nadal z buta wystaje.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 2, 11, 18:59 #11
Some are, some aren't. I think that's about it.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 2, 11, 19:15 #12
"Rootless peasant" is an oxymoron. Peasants are from places that they, or their ancestors, farmed, as the thread-starter reveals when he states that Warsaw is deserted over the holidays because many of it's citizens return to visit their family in the places of their roots.

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Edited by: sobieski Sep 2, 11, 21:23 #13

I'm sick of all the guff about "Polska A" and "Polska B" that comes from people whose roots are in "Polska B".

But "Polska A" and "Polska B" do exist. There is no sense denying that. "Polska B" is the PIS electorate. Look at the namiotists. That is the essence of Polska B.
That said and done, I do not think Varsovians are rootless. It is only that in 1945 not many of them were still in the city. If I look at all of my friends, almost nobody origins from Warsaw, meaning grandparents, and as such pre-war.
They all trace their origins from somewhere else in Poland.
The same could be said of Wrocław. The original German population was murdered, deported or fled in 1945-1947, and was replaced by Polish people from Lwów/Kresy for whom Breslau had no meaning at all. So it can be told that they also are rootless, no ?

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Sep 2, 11, 22:46 #14
True! My aunt, after leaving the village she was born and raised in, for the great city of Kielce, goes to great lengths to hide her own roots, and uses 'country' (ze wsi) and one of the greatest insults in her repertoire. Now, considering that she knows what she's talking about, maybe there are some backwards characteristics that she worked hard to root out and prefers to avoid since then.

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Sep 2, 11, 22:54 #15

I heard an English guy on the radio who had lived in Australia for 25 years. An aussi asked him how long he'd been there, and when told he said, "D'ye think you're gonna like it?"

Good one !!!

It's a commonly-held view of people living outside of Warsaw that Varsovians are peasants (in terms of culture) who pretend they are something better. Certainly, the city empties for Christmas and especially All Saints as all the peasants go home.

So what is your point, most people I know in Warsaw consider a weekend in Warsaw a weekend lost, as they much prefer to be out of the smoke. If on the other hand you suggest that life is better in the suburbs of Warsaw than the inner city, I would agree only if, you have no children as all the best schools are in Warsaw center, you don't have a job, as it it is a nightmare to commute in, finally if you don't have a life, theater, galleries, restaurants and culture - it is most certainly not in the suburbs of Wars - each to their own though.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 00:58 #16
If posting an answer to this thread, please say whether you live in a big city - as you too might have a rootless peasant "compleks". I don`t have any complexes though my grandmother was born in a village near Krakow. Why should I? Most Poles have peasant origin and it is normal.

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 01:22 #17
I come from a post-industrial town in northern England. No peasantry in my English background for time out of mind. I bet you're an angielski wiesniak.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,787 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 10:11 #18
But "Polska A" and "Polska B" do exist. There is no sense denying that. "Polska B" is the PIS electorate. Listen commie, stop spreading your nonsense.

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Edited by: pawian Sep 3, 11, 10:25 #19

=sobieski]But "Polska A" and "Polska B" do exist. There is no sense denying that. "Polska B" is the PIS electorate.

IRONSIDE - Listen commie, stop spreading your nonsense.

Before you accuse anybody of spreading nonsense and being a commie, why don`t you go and educate yourself about Poland? There must be some Polish culture courses or at least the Net in the place where you are staying now. ):):):) Only then you will be an equal partner for serious discussion. For the time being, your lack of knowledge of real Poland is appaling. :):):):)

2010 elections

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 11:27 #20
2010 elections Always strange how these two maps match:

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Edited by: MyMom Sep 3, 11, 11:58 #21

What is strange is that apart from Greater Poland and part of Upper Silesia, most of the orange areas are people who have been repatriated from the Kresy, so eastwards from the so called "Polska B", which BTW is a term used by losers.
Still, they coloured the areas uniformly orange or uniformly blue giving the impression that the votes were all in favour of one candidate, while in fact the difference was likely at most a few percent.
Enough with the "Polska B" bullcrap.

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 12:05 #22
As it is, the terms "Polska A" and "Polska B" are often used in the media as well.

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Edited by: Ironside Sep 3, 11, 12:32 #23

Before you accuse anybody of spreading nonsense and being a commie, why don`t you go and educate yourself about Poland? There must be some Polish culture courses or at least the Net in the place where you are staying now. ):):):) Only then you will be an equal partner for serious discussion. For the time being, your lack of knowledge of real Poland is appaling. :):):):)

I know more about Polish culture than you ever will, pawian. Real Poland is not up to my standards, requires many changes.

Take a good look at the map. For the most part blue color covers area where center of Poland used to be for centuries.. Who is voting PO? Rootless unfortunates who do not even know who their great-grandparents were.
sobieski is a Flemish commie who is trying to diminish and belittle people because of their political choices. What right does he has to do that? None, it is not only lack of respect but outright rude pure commie attitude.
Whats-more you do support said attitude as long as it is playing for you, being as you are PO s lackey and partisan.
On the other hand I pretty well impartial, not siding with political parties but looking what their rule would bring for Poland.

quote=sobieski]As it is, the terms "Polska A" and "Polska B" are often used in the media as well.[/quote]
Media suck, and you are still a commie.

Originally ) after WWI) Polska B meant a part of Poland with less infrastructure and less developed economically, essentially part of Poland which had been for about hundred years part of Russia.

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Sep 3, 11, 15:13 #24

What is strange is that apart from Greater Poland and part of Upper Silesia, most of the orange areas are people who have been repatriated from the Kresy, so eastwards from the so called "Polska B", which BTW is a term used by losers.

Used by losers? That would be why the American diplomats (so beloved of PiS voters) use it too?

What's also interesting is that places like Poznan (which is filled with people who can trace their lineage back to the mid 19th century and beyond) is solidly orange. Anyway, most of the Kresy morons left for America at the beginning of the I RP - those that were left were somewhat more intelligent than the blithering idiots that left. Hence - Wrocław and Szczecin flourish, while places like the countryside in Lubelskie rot.

Still, they coloured the areas uniformly orange or uniformly blue giving the impression that the votes were all in favour of one candidate, while in fact the difference was likely at most a few percent.

Actually, the difference was far higher than a few percent in most places.

Still - educate yourself - http://prezydent2010.pkw.gov.pl/PZT/PL/WYN/W/index.htm

Only Lodzkie, Mazowieckie and Podlaskie were "close" - the rest were pretty clear wins for either candidate.

Take a good look at the map. For the most part blue color covers area where center of Poland used to be for centuries.. Who is voting PO? Rootless unfortunates who do not even know who their great-grandparents were.

Nice of you to criticise people who lost their homelands. I mean, so patriotic of you - that you're willing to insult such people. Gotta love those Poles living abroad - they'll go as low as they can just to prove a point!

sobieski is a Flemish commie who is trying to diminish and belittle people because of their political choices.

They do a great job of that by themselves. By the way, the latest statistic is that Kaczynski has fought 13 electoral battles as a leader. He won 2, lost 11 - I mean, who votes for losers like that?

On the other hand I pretty well impartial, not siding with political parties but looking what their rule would bring for Poland.

Come on, you're a big PiS fanboy. Don't bother denying it.

Enough with the "Polska B" bullcrap.

Nah, we'll carry on.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 15:33 #25
=MyMom]Enough with the "Polska B" bullcrap. Not so fast, my dear, not so fast. :):):):) Look at another map: Pig farming in Poland And another: Wildboar numbers in Poland: Railways in 1988

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,787 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ironside Sep 3, 11, 15:34 #26
Come on, you're a big PiS fanboy. Don't bother denying it. yeah, you tell me what I think, you know better, gameboy. They do a great job of that by themselves and you condone that as well, how nice of you....

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 16:24 #27
=Ironside]Media suck, and you are still a commie. Don`t be silly, Poland A and B is a statistical fact. You have a chance to educate yourself for free: http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/zasypanie;przepasci; miedzy;polska;a;i;b;zajmie;dekady,32,-1,643360.html =Palivec]Always strange how these two maps match: I have a better map.

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Edited by: MyMom Sep 3, 11, 16:40 #28

pawian: What are you trying to say? That "Poland A" somehow lives off pre war German accomplishments? You do realize how those areas were devasted in 1945? Do you know how Wrocław, Gdańsk, Głogów, Kołobrzeg etc. looked like after "liberation"?
And how exactly the fact that Wielkopolska is host to some industrial pork "factories" is a success? And do you know how many of those old German railway lines are actually used today?

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Sep 3, 11, 16:41 #29

sobieski is a Flemish commie who is trying to diminish and belittle people because of their political choices.

You belittle the majority of the people, who 1. vote PO 2. Do not care about this Smolenkist nonsense 3. Do not subsidize "geothermal" rydzik.
Actually in every Belgian election I participated since I was 18, I voted ChristiaN-Democratic or Flemish-Nationalist. Not that I expect you to understand this.
Don't you miss Dmowski and the Endacja?

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Sep 3, 11, 16:51 #30
Don't you miss Dmowski and the Endacja? You can't even spell it right idiot. Looks like you are a fascist in your own country but being an immigrant you'd like everybody to be a welcoming commie, so typical.

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