Is Poland a place of high culture?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 09:52 #1
Poles usually claim that polish is a high culture.What do you think?

tygrysThreads: 2 Posts: 404 Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 10:18 #2
If Poles think so about their country, that's a good sign because they always complain about everything

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 15:12 #3
This topic has been covered elsewhere and will lead to the same results. What in God's name is 'high culture'?

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Dec 19, 10, 15:30 #4

I'll help. I think Southern wanted to ask about: art, architecture, literature, philosophy, old cities and its atmosphere, ballroom dancing, artist and their activities, museums, galerries, exibitions. Am I right, Southern? It may also mean the way how somebody behaves, I mean, when he/she doesn't says s**** all the time to express his'her enthusiasm. It's actually so general question that finding an answer on it is impossible. Try to specify, Southern, what did you want to know?
In Polish your sentence is: "Polacy to wysoka kultura": it's not very understandable but interesting.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Dec 19, 10, 15:51 #5
noreenb: Try to specify, Southern, what did you want to know? I think he was trying to ascertain the average size of polish womens breasts, in a round about fashion.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 15:53 #6
I don't think he's too abreast of culture ;) Or he could have been talking about drugs. As for the arts, Poland produces a lot of snobs. Those that think they are sth when they are just a pile of dung.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 19, 10, 16:26 #7
southern: Poles usually claim that polish is a high culture I totally one hundred percent agree with that. All Poles appear to have that gentle bearing that suggests refinement and culture. You can't find so many elegant people in one place anywhere else in Europe.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 16:28 #8
Gentle bearing?? Some are elegant and some aren't, PP. I think Italy for elegance.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 19, 10, 16:29 #9
Italians have more temper. Poles are calmer and quieter. Poles are also great at thinking about stuff and analysis.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 16:29 #10
Ever been to a football match here? Calm is not a word I'd use. Nor would I say that high culture enters the equation at all.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 19, 10, 16:31 #11
Football isn't really that cultured in the first place, so what do you expect at the modern day Circus?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 16:58 #12
Is football a part of Polish culture or not? ;)

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 17:03 #13
No, it has it's own different section on the forums.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 17:05 #14
Football is the most popular sport here and sport is a major part of culture. You can't tell me that Poland won't profit from hosting the forthcoming championships. Some parts have 'high' culture and some don't. You won't see much of it in the villages, that's for sure.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 19, 10, 17:05 #15
Seanus: Is football a part of Polish culture or not? ;) Football, a cultured event? Would you say the games at Rome were cultured just because the Emperor and the Senators attended them?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 17:07 #16
It's still a part of broader culture and that can't be denied

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Edited by: ShawnH Dec 19, 10, 17:08 #17
Seanus: You can't tell me that Poland won't profit from hosting the forthcoming championships. And how many times do you hear about Olympic Games running in the red. Nothing is a sure bet. Besides, the games are about money, as well as sport. Can't say it is culture. Is there a ministry of sports/culture? or do they each have their own ministry?

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 19, 10, 17:24 #18
Seanus: It's still a part of broader culture and that can't be denied But not highculture and the thread is about that.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 17:33 #19
I'm showing elements of Poland not being a high culture but there are elements where it is. Just go to Kraków and see the architecture and fine arts there. Many Polish cities have strong elements of high culture. Torun springs to mind.

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Edited by: PlasticPole Dec 19, 10, 18:08 #20

High Culture has more to do with the attitude of the people as well. All European countries have football teams, so everyone is even in that respect. But what about the minds of the people, and the temperment? Who is calm, balanced, analytical, appreciative, intelligent? Who values higher learning and appreciates life's subtle moments? These are part of the higher faculties and indicate a presence of higher culture if they are present in a population.

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Edited by: AdamKadmon Dec 19, 10, 18:26 #21
The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Dec 19, 10, 18:36 #22
AdamKadmon: Isn't it something to do with the disinterested endeavour after man's perfection? Or imperfection and how fascinating it is.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 19, 10, 18:37 #23
southern: Poles usually claim that polish is a high culture.What do you think? Its a culturally developed country on par with its western contemporaries and superior to its eastern neighbours.

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 18:58 #24
Don't be fooled by your own complexes.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 20:38 #25
What I like about Polish culture is that it is easier to define than Western countries which have been heavily shaped by too many influences. Polish culture is pretty impressive when you find some time away from the rat race.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 19, 10, 21:30 #26
I like polish culture.What I find most astonishing is that it is preserved.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: Trevek Dec 20, 10, 00:28 #27
Sokrates: and superior to its eastern neighbours. really? can you give examples. I'd say Russian literature, music, painting, theatre and film-making is at least as good as the Polish counterparts (and Poland certainly has high quality examples of literature, music, painting, theatre, film-making etc).

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,787 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Dec 20, 10, 10:58 #28
Trevek: I'd say Russian literature, music, painting, theatre and film-making is at least as good as the Polish counterparts Really ? Maybe for a layman !

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: Trevek Dec 20, 10, 11:08 #29
Ironside: Maybe for a layman ! and I'm a man who enjoys a good lay. Yeah, I suppose Tchaikovsky, Dostoyevsky, Pushkin, Chekov, Stanislavski, Meyerhold etc are just the Hannah Montanas of their day.

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Dec 20, 10, 11:10 #30
Ironside: Poland is superior to its eastern neighbours The idea of a nation is at best a cartel of pelt merchants and profiteers in leather, at worst a cultural association of psychopaths who, like the Germans, marched off with a volume of Goethe in their knapsacks, to skewer Frenchmen and Russians on their bayonets.

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