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southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Apr 10, 08, 18:42 #31
I am not sure that Hungarians are slavic.Maybe they have a slavic mix about 30-40%,not more.

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Apr 10, 08, 18:50 #32
southern: am not sure that Hungarians are slavic.Maybe they have a slavic mix about 30-40%,not more. Slavic plus Magyar and a couple other asiatic influences all mixed into one, but nobody is purely anything these days.

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Apr 12, 08, 15:34 #33

Lukasz quoting the English Wikipedia:

The emotional link has not been broken even among extreme political conditions like the period of the Second World War when Germany invaded Poland, while Hungary was a close political (and later military) ally of Adolf Hitler's Germany.

Nope, it all goes back to the "extreme political conditions" after the First World War, namely the Trianon "Peace" Treaty. All our neighbours feel antipathy towards us. And antipathy is a very PC word here. The exceptions are the peaceful and lovely Croatia and Slovenia. And Austria, of course, our brother-in-law. :) Poland is totally out of question. I doubt anyone would be negative towards someone with a Polish nationality in Hungary.

Luckily, it all different when we are abroad. I've never had problems with Slovaks in England, and I would have no antipathy towards Serbians and Romanians, if I ever met them here. (Let's just leave our hostilities at home!)

About genetic backgrounds: in my origin, I am Slovak on my mother's grandparents' side. After the 150 years of the Turkish Occupation, Slovakian settlers had been brought into various parts of Hungary at the beginning of the 1700s to re-populate the abandoned areas. Old people are still bi-lingual in my region, they speak both the old Slovakian and the Hungarian language. But very few of the young generations can speak or understand Slovakian. I regard myself a Hungarian.

To put it in a nutshell: I don't think anyone really gives a toss about genetic origins in Central/Eastern Europe. It's more about speaking the language. Compare: you can be an Irishmen/-woman if you can't speak or understand Irish Gaelic. But you can't be a Hungarian, Slovakian, Serbian, Romanian etc. etc. if you don't speak the relevant language!

This is my experience, at least. I can be mistaken. Cheers.

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Feb 7, 09, 23:34 #34

Crow:

Luk, i said many times that Hungarians are Slavs by origin. That is well known historic fact.

What you say is false. If we were of Slavic origin we would speak now a Slavic language.
See the example of Bulgarians: originally they were a turkish tribe but became slavicized
because the Slavs were more numerous. Hungarian speakers were allways in majority.

Furthermore Hungarians enriched their ranks with tribes of turkic origin: khazars, kabars, petchenegs, cumanians and so on. This can be noted even on language. Many words related to belief, family, colours, animal husbandry, agriculture, law are of turkic origin.

Examples: Isten God, ég sky, tündér fairy, bűn sin, eskü oath, böjt fasting, búcsú pilgrimage, egyház church, gyón confess, imád worship, erkölcs morality,ünnep holliday,
bűbáj enchantment, anya mother, apa father, húg younger sister, sárga yellow, kék blue, piros red.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 7, 09, 23:45 #35
Wow, Hungarian is an amazing language. Truly magical. I'd never heard anything like it before. Love to Budapest!

Anthropology	Dec 5, 09, 21:14 #36
I think slavic is not a racial term. It's a language term. Hungarians are the whitest people in the Carpathian basin. Just look anthropology maps (the pigmentation) of Europe. Type in google image searcher: "eye color map" or type: "hair color map" or type "skin color map" All present-day neighbour countries have darker average pigmentation. (the only except is Austria)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 5, 09, 22:05 #37
The Carpathian Basin cannot extend very far as I saw a large mix of skin colour there. They had some guys playing on flutes and they looked more like Native Americans. A very interesting people, those Magyars.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,787 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 1, 11, 04:47 #38
Merged thread: Poland and Hungary Poland and Hungary, both nations have history of a friendly relationship. you tube, song in Hungarian language:

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Nov 8, 11, 21:50 #39
Two great soundtracks

ShAlEyNsTfOhThreads: 8 Posts: 232 Joined: Feb 5, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 9, 11, 03:08 #40
how does it go again? polak, węgier, dwa bratanki... i do szabli, i do szklanki?? something like that.. :DD

calcedoniaThreads: 11 Posts: 126 Joined: Sep 20, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: calcedonia Nov 9, 11, 04:51 #41
Hungarians genes 70% slav, huns just 20% but huns covered slavs with huns language and culture,many years used and language still use but cultures same like europeans now, estonia also I think but onley Finland genes mostley asian in europa Im not sure. And friendship ,austrian-hungary empire was friend of Poland? I read something but I didnt know so much.

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Nov 9, 11, 05:56 #42

Crow:

Also is fact that majority of Hungarians (same as Poles) are Catholics. That is also one more reason for connections- one more aspect of it.

Hungary is definitely nowhere near as religious as Poland.

Hungary might have Slavic origins but other things came to the mix without a doubt. There was also a genetic study that showed a close link between Hungarians and other speakers of Finn-Ugric languages.

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Nov 9, 11, 09:40 #43

Crow:

Hun (black) looking Hungarians, don`t like to mix with Slavs (nor Slavs with them- Serbs and Slovaks, speaking about Voivodina) but they like to mix with blond or brown Hungarians. They are proud with Atila and they consider themselves as bearers of true Hungarian heritage.

I was many times in different areas of Vojvodina, and particularly in areas in the North where hungarian is besides Serbian an official language. My overall impression is that Hungarians are mostly blond or red haired with blue eyes. I think I never saw a dark haired Hungarian, probably thought they were Serbs colonized from Dalmation areas.
Interesting to here this Crow, I learned something new today, that darker ones are considered to be true blooded Huns :)

And they all like to mix ;)

All Belgrade Hungarians I personally know are blond, blond and one red haired, all with blue eyes.:)

southern:

I am not sure that Hungarians are slavic.Maybe they have a slavic mix about 30-40%,not more.

I think I read something like that, I will look now.
Here, IGENEA says:

Hungary

Slav 35 %
Finno-Ugrer 30 %
Germanic 20 %
Special case * 8 %
Jews 5 %
Phoenician 2 %

What is the special case I don't have a clue. Hungarians imo are handsome people, and known as quite bright in the area, but prone to self destructive behaviors.

stop the earth i want to get off

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Nov 9, 11, 10:22 #44

Natasa:

What is the special case I don't have a clue. Hungarians imo are handsome people, and known as quite bright in the area, but prone to self destructive behaviors.

they are indeed, very attractive people.
I believe that they were prone to committing suicide

A quick check on wikipedia does indeed confirm that they are still partial to 'rolling a seven'
ranked number 9 in the world for suicide

Lithuania being the undisputed heavyweight champions of self slaughter, which was surprising

I thought suicide in Sweden was more or less a national sport but there they are in 18th place

check out the link, it is interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

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Nov 9, 11, 11:11 #45

Subotica area inhabited by Hungarians had the highest suicide rate in old Yugoslavia. My mother was raised in Vojvodina, and although there is some sort of silent animosity but mutual respect between Hungarians and Serbs (WWII), she as a young psychologists in the 70s tested abilities of different minorities, children in Vojvodina area.

She is repeating to this day, that although tests were performed in Serbo-Croatian language, not mother tongue of Hungarian children they outscored all other groups, like Slovaks, Croats, Serbs, Romanians etc. and she drew a conclusion that they are in average very bright, I read somewhere that they have the highest rate of Nobel prize winners proportionally to their size, 20 million.

Sampling for drawing that conclusion was probably inadequate, but why not to share her impressions.

Matches. The phonograph. Non-Euclidian geometry. Television. The computer. The atomic bomb. Vitamin C. The helicopter. All are hallmarks of our modern existence and seemingly unrelated - except that all were invented, or brought to light, by Hungarians.

Time and again, the world has seen Hungarian achievements in medicine, technology, mathematics, sports and other fields far in excess of what would be "normal" for a country of its small size. In 1963, an article in the prestigious monthly, Science, which dealt with the enriching contribution of immigrants to the natural sciences, commented: "The role of the Hungarians is proverbial."

Between 1905 and 1971, eight Hungarians won more than their share of Nobel prizes, and there would have been at least two more were there a Nobel Prize for mathematics.

There is something in this. But it also seems they are successful in Major depressive disorder with equally outstanding results :(

stop the earth i want to get off

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,654 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Nov 9, 11, 11:46 #46
Natasa: they are in average very bright Not only that, but they are into chardas and other folk dances, and I am a big fan of Hungarian folk dancing. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=zWhA9-vF64M] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2f2G-6wm-4

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Edited by: Natasa Nov 9, 11, 12:47 #47

hague1cmaeron:

Not only that, but they are into chardas and other folk dances, and I am a big fan of Hungarian folk dancing.

Their chardas is known dance in Vojvodina. Serbs love it. We have more songs inspired by that dance and their music. Mmmmm, what about that delicious food that is making even anorexic salivate :)

Did you know that their wedding dresses are red? Brides change from white to red during the wedding. . One has to admire that passion expressed through red.

red shoes as well, for dancing.

Here, a Serbian author, singer, girl with charas legs, classic here for girls with shapes that make men hallucinate :)
Music is with Hungarian motives.

Listen please :)

stop the earth i want to get off

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Nov 9, 11, 19:13 #48

Playing a devil's avocate a bit. There were few unhappy moments in Polish-Hungarian relations. Luckily, there were only so few that nobody cares to remember them. But to be true to the History, I'll list them here:

1. In 12th c. Hungarian influence also penetrated beyond the Carpathians into the Ruthenian principality of Halich, whose Latinized name first appeared in 1189 as Galicia. It was in that region that Hungarian and Polish interests clashed, although the usually friendly relations quickly led to some compromise. The solution was simple: Andrew II, Leszek II and Leszek I ("the White"; 1194-1227) agreed on it. The second son of the Hungarian king, Kalman, Prince of Croatia at this time, married Salome, daughter of the Polish king. The young couple ruled Halich, thus a dynastic intermarriage solved the problem once again (1215).

2. Korwin, or Matthias Corvinus, (1458 - 90) supported by the Catholic-German faction in Bohemia, became Kazimierz's (Kazimierz IV Jagiellonczyk (1427-1492)) most dangerous rival. Korwin occupied Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia (1468) resulting in an eight-year war. When Podebrad died Kazimierz's eldest son, Wladyslaw, was elected king of Bohemia (1471) and came to a diplomatic agreement with Corvinus in the Peace of Olomouc (Olmutz, 1478); Korwin would keep the territories he had conquered whilst Wladyslaw would rule Bohemia proper. When, in turn, Corvinus died (1490) Wladyslaw was elected king of Hungary (after a brief contest for the crown with his brother Jan Olbracht which soured Polish-Hungarian relationships).

3. Traditional Polish-Hungarian friendship got into controversial issues, when Protestant-spirited revolutionary Hungarian nationalism, sometimes even with Turkish aid, turned against the Habsburgs, and occasionally, Poland appeared as a military aid on the Habsburg side. In the Thirty Years War the faithfully Protestant Gabriel Bethlen (1580-1629), the greatest Prince of Transylvania, and elected king of Hungary, one of the greatest person of Hungarian history; (1613-29) almost occupied Vienna (1619), but his final victory was prevented by George Homonnay, a candidate of the Habsburgs, who appeared in Nothern Hungary with Polish and Cossak troops.

4. It was also paradoxical, that in times when Poles and Hungarians were still looking at each other with traditional sympathy, another great Hungarian and Protestant freedom fighter, Imre Thökö1y, even used the aid of Sultan Mohamed IV (1649-87) to conquer Vienna. Austria was saved by John Sobieski (1674-96) in 1683.

Check this: Andrew Haraszti B.A., B.Ed.,M.A., Eleven Hundred Years of Common Polish-Hungarin History, Polish-Hungarian World Federation Chicago, 1982, www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/haraszti.doc

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Edited by: Crow Nov 9, 11, 19:40 #49

Natasa:

Here, a Serbian author, singer, girl with charas legs, classic here for girls with shapes that make men hallucinate :)
Music is with Hungarian motives.

i salute good Polish-Hungarian relations hoping that Poles know what they doing. Poles are the only ones that can prevent German influence in Hungary. Not to mention that we all need Hungary if we wants to restore land connection between Slavic Baltic and Balkan- what we need if we were to create new commonwealth around Poland

one more Serbian pop song about Hungarian girls >

Zdravko Colic - Madjarica

GameofThrones

Nov 9, 11, 21:22 #50

Hungarians are attractive because they are very mixed. Let's face it, heterogeneous populations tend to have more beautiful people.

Crow:

Poles are the only ones that can prevent German influence in Hungary. Not to mention that we all need Hungary if we wants to restore land connection between Slavic Baltic and Balkan- what we need if we were to create new commonwealth around Poland

Sorry Crow, but most Poles don't care about having a Slavic Union like you do. Also, most Poles are not anti-German like you. Let me remind you that the Polish-German intermarriage rate is very high.

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Edited by: pawian Nov 9, 11, 22:02 #51

GameofThrones:

Sorry Crow, but most Poles don't care about having a Slavic Union like you do. Also, most Poles are not anti-German like you. Let me remind you that the Polish-German intermarriage rate is very high.

Forget it, Crow knows better. :):):)

boletus:

It seems you forgot to include Rakoczy`s invasion of Poland in 17 century, whose direct effect was his complete military failure and demise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_II_R%C3%A1k%C3%B3czi

He took Cracow and entered Warsaw with the Swedes, but the moment his allies withdrew the whole scheme collapsed. In July 1657, his forces were defeated by the Polish army in the battle at Czarny Ostrów, and it was only on the most humiliating terms that the Poles finally allowed him to return to Transylvania. Here (3 November 1657) the diet, at the command of the Porte, deposed him for undertaking an unauthorized war, but in January 1658 he was reinstated by the Medgyes Diet. Again he was deposed by the grand vizier, and again reinstated as if nothing had happened, but all in vain. The Turks again invaded Transylvania, and Rákóczy died at Nagyvarad of the wounds received at the battle of Gyalu (Gilău) (May 1660).

boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,096 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Nov 9, 11, 22:34 #52
Crow: It seems you forgot to include Rakoczy`s invasion of Poland in 17 century, whose direct effect was his complete military failure and demise. Yes, I knew I forgot something really big. Thank you.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,654 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Nov 10, 11, 12:34 #53
Another example of Hungarian folk:

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Nov 10, 11, 18:03 #54

hague1cmaeron:

Another example of Hungarian folk:

I watched some folk dances during Polish Days, last summer in Toronto. One of the ensembles, “Biały Orzeł”/ White Eagle Polish Song and Dance Ensemble of Toronto presented a Gypsy dance, which somewhat resembled a dance shown in your video.

But it was danced by both men and women. It was very dynamic and lasted quite a few minutes. Men - wearing heavy boots (as in your video) - were stamping loudly every few bars or so. Women were dancing bare feet, weaving around those boots. I was so scared for them, but they managed to avoid major injuries. That's an art!

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 4, 12, 15:17 #55
This is the END of polish-hungarian "friendship"

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Mar 4, 12, 16:14 #56
No, It isn't. It's just one stupid video made by some clown.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 12, 21:11 #57
Grzegorz_: No, It isn't. It's just one stupid video made by some clown. Grześ, I agree with you. :):):) This clip was made by some paranoid Slavophiles who have never read a serious history book in their life. It is a nasty provocation Poles will never fall for. Crow, you lost my respect. You will need to post many reasonable posts to regain it. Do you think you will ever make it? :):):):)

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Edited by: Crow Mar 4, 12, 22:07 #58

Grzegorz_:

No, It isn't. It's just one stupid video made by some clown.

i hope that you are right. We Serbians would be very happy to see Hungary on Polish and not on German side in some major conflict. Here in the region Hungary is always known as German player and pawn

but frankly, aren`t we all German pawns now, with this EU above our heads, that is nothing but Greater Germany. Hitler was little di** (or pu** if you want) in comparison to that Merkel

pawian:

You will need to post many reasonable posts to regain it. Do you think you will ever make it? :):):):)

i giving my best, i giving my best :)

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