Poles close to grandparents

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 24, 12, 14:04 #31
a.k.: So what? What is te difference between Mother's Day And Grandma's Day? One's an Anglican religious festival (that by the way probably predates Christianity) and the other is a 1960's construct designed to take people's minds off state imposed repression and food queues.

a.k.

Jan 24, 12, 14:15 #32

JonnyM:

One's an Anglican religious festival

We don't have any religious holiday for mothers and in Poland Anglicanism was not very popular either... Should Poles stop celebrating Mother's Day too? lol

JonnyM:

the other is a 1960's construct designed to take people's minds off state imposed repression and food queues.

Now are different times, so we can solely focus on our loving Grandparents without polictics hidden beneath :)

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 24, 12, 14:15 #33
JonnyM: and the other is a 1960's construct designed to take people's minds off state imposed repression and food queues. The one telling thing is how much they managed to infilitrate the public consciousness - including to the point where people (who would have been opposed in their day to day life) now embrace their inventions.

a.k.

Jan 24, 12, 14:20 #34

delphiandomine:

It's a good point - but why is it that "some" things are seen as bad (like May 1st) and yet others are good?

I don't. And Polish state probably neither as 1st Mat is still a holiday free of work.

delphiandomine:

May 3rd. I love that day.

It's a national holiday. What does it have to do with the whole discussion? I thought you will give me some example of old Polish tradition which is forgot now and is concerned about family. I'm waiting, Mr Know-it-all :)

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Jan 24, 12, 14:22 #35

a.k.:

I don't. And Polish state probably neither as 1st Mat is still a holiday free of work.

But it's certainly rejected by many people - the amount of flags flying on May 1st as opposed to May 3rd tells you that.

a.k.:

thought you will give me some example of old Polish tradition which is forgot now and is concerned about family. I'm waiting, Mr Know-it-all :)

There must be plenty of them, the II RP was very sentimental ;)

(give me a while, I can't read fast in Polish :p)

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,835 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Jan 24, 12, 14:22 #36
Word's going round that Dupadomine is organising a picket line outside the nearest VW dealership. The way he sees it, nothing changes the fact that the Volłkswagen had its origins in the Nazi Third Reich and as such must be condemned and rejected. If you would like another suspension, just carry on the way you are going. next suspension will be one week.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 24, 12, 17:47 #37
delphiandomine: Even if it's passed into the Polish minds as being something harmless, it doesn't excuse the origin. Delphiandmine provides us with an example of what is known as "the genetic fallacy". Take a course in critical reasoning, delphiandomine, and maybe you will stop putting forth so many laughably fallacious arguments.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 24, 12, 17:50 #38
Des Essientes: Delphiandmine provides us with an example of what is known as "the genetic fallacy". Take a course in critical reasoning, delphiandomine, and maybe you will stop putting forth so many laughably fallacious arguments. moderator: If you would like another suspension, just carry on the way you are going. next suspension will be one week. Des, perhaps you might want to stop?

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Edited by: JonnyM Jan 24, 12, 17:51 #39

a.k.:

We don't have any religious holiday for mothers and in Poland Anglicanism was not very popular either... Should Poles stop celebrating Mother's Day too? lol

Actually there are several religious celebrations of motherhood in Poland - so why have Mothers' Day on an arbitrary PRL era date - and why have the peripheral things like Grandmothers' Day - a communist copy of an American commercial thing - at all?

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Jan 24, 12, 18:04 #40

delphiandomine:

Des, perhaps you might want to stop?

I pointed out the fact that you are purveying a genetic fallacy. No moderator in his right mind would see that as a violation of the forum's rules.
The warning you posted was for Polonius and, since you bring him up, I will say that I think that your red baiting is a far worse violation of the rules of this forum then his mispelling of your name and that it is you, and not him that should be suspended.
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JonnyM:

Grandmothers' Day - a communist copy of an American commercial thing

There is no Grandmother's Day in America and as the eloquent and logical a.k., the Polish heroine of this thread, has pointed out: There is nothing communist about celebrating a day to honor one's grandparents.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 24, 12, 18:12 #41
Des Essientes: There is no Grandmother's Day in America first Sunday after 'labor day' (whatever that is) is the day on which they officially celebrate Grandparents' Day. Des Essientes: here is nothing communist about celebrating a day to honor one's grandparents. There is if you do it on one of the old PRL pseudoświęty.

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Edited by: ShawnH Jan 24, 12, 18:18 #42

JonnyM:

first Sunday after 'labor day' (whatever that is) is the day on which they officially celebrate Grandparents' Day

Technically not Busia day. That would be a "Busia and Ja-ja" day.

Labor Day is a holiday observed on the first Monday in September (September 3 in 2012) that celebrates the economic and social contributions of workers. Pretty strange that a capitalist bastion like the US of A would celebrate a day dedicated to workers. Sounds pretty socialistic to me. In Canada we have something similar, but we call it Labour Day.

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Jan 24, 12, 18:18 #43

" There is no Grandmother's Day in America and as the eloquent and logical a.k., the Polish heroine of this thread, has pointed out: There is nothing communist about celebrating a day to honor one's grandparents."
There, of course, is actually a grandparents' day in the USA. And there is nothing Communist about having a day to honour one's grandparents. Having two days, however, is a Communist invention.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,835 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jan 25, 12, 03:46 #44
Indeed there are beautiful pre-communsit Polish traditions. One of them is the Feast of the Three Kings which is now a public holdiay again wtih festive cavalcades down the streets of major cities. I'm sure that warms your heart, innit?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 25, 12, 03:54 #45
'Festival cavalcades down the streets of major cities' in a Polish January? Let's hope the snow ploughs are working and the 'cavalcaders' are well wrappers up. Actually most people stay at home and keep warm on that day.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 25, 12, 05:15 #46
I'm still piissed off about being stuck with three kings and losing all the days off in lieu which we used to get when holidays were on a Sunday. But I guys you have to at least have visited Poland to know about thing like that.

a.k.

Jan 25, 12, 10:34 #47

JonnyM:

Actually there are several religious celebrations of motherhood in Poland

No there are only some Mary mother of Christ celebrations, not mother's in general. Besides what is if someone is an atheist or of other religion? ;)

JonnyM:

so why have Mothers' Day on an arbitrary PRL era date - and why have the peripheral things like Grandmothers' Day - a communist copy of an American commercial thing - at all?

Why not?

JonnyM:

Let's hope the snow ploughs are working and the 'cavalcaders' are well wrappers up.

Actually this year was no snow at all on 3 Kings.

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Jan 25, 12, 11:22 #48

a.k.:

No there are only some Mary mother of Christ celebrations

I think you mean 'yes' rather than 'no'.

a.k.:

Why not?

'Why' is a better question.

a.k.:

Actually this year was no snow at all on 3 Kings.

Ooh, you are argumentative today, aren't you. Typical weather was it this year? Now either run along or explain how the new public holiday for Trzech Kroli impacts on whether or not people in Poland are close to their grandparents, somee of whom they never visit, never even ring.

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