Why Poles are so crazy about their country?

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Feb 19, 10, 12:33 #1

http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article &id=6766:wierno-wizionego&catid=99:zdzisaw-najder&Itemid=142

The last sentence about summarises it:

Za tymi ludźmi nie stało żadne państwo. Polska, której pozostali wierni, istniała tylko w ich pamięci i wyobraźni. Wszyscy Polacy są ich dłużnikami.

'Behind those people there was not any state. The Poland that they remained faithful to, only existed in their memory and imagination. All Poles are indebted to them.

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Edited by: Ziemowit Feb 19, 10, 12:55 #2

I think not always and not all Poles are so crazy about their country. The sentences which you quote then refer to several brave Polish people whose personal courage and commitment to the cause they fought for was exceptional. I don't think you may say that of every man or woman in Poland (or anywhere else for that matter), but you formulate your question precisely in this way, but why? To provoke insults and attacks from those who constantly offend the Polish people and country on this forum saying that all what is Polish is crap?

jedenThreads: - Posts: 297 Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 13:18 #3
Is it strange??? I don`t think so. In my opinion is normal

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Edited by: Ksysia Feb 19, 10, 14:08 #4

Ziemko - never mind them. I've just learned something very important about the Anglo society. It really is a class society: meaning that normal people just don't give a monkey's arse about what all the self important rude tw*ts say or do.

I think that it's really bad, and rude, and wanted to pay due attention to the tw*ts - but I give up. Waste of breath. They only run their gobs to sound important, that's all.

And about the topic - those good men you say were few. The thing is, they were not few, and their offering was made in the name of all of us, so even the laundress' daughter today lives in her own country.

At least we can say that thanks to the offering of life, and that it was made in all levels of society, we don't have to be rude to tw*ats today.

I wonder how it is in Germany or Czech or Ukraine and Lithuania? Are your normal people ignoring the middle class as best as they can?

jeden

watch out, you'll get lashed for using the word 'normal'.

jedenThreads: - Posts: 297 Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 16:37 #5
normal for Poles... how to say: Najjaśniejsza Rzeczpospolita is Great!

GregrogThreads: 1 Posts: 107 Joined: Feb 2, 09 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 17:01 #6
"Amor patriae nostra lex" as say motto of Winged Hussars:)

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 18:21 #7
If you don't praise your home it will fall down and crash over you as we say in my country.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 19, 10, 18:51 #8
Exiled: If you don't praise your home it will fall down and crash over you as we say in my country. Praising without any reason (as in Greece) doesn't stop any crashing...just serves fogging the real problems, hindering the acknowledging and the subsequent tackling of said problems. Germans are often said to be much to critical, pessimist, doubting...but that serves us well!

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 19, 10, 19:13 #9
Bratwurst Boy: Germans are often said to be much to critical, pessimist, doubting...but that serves us well! Apparently it does serve you well. However, if criticism and pessimism were such important factors in creating wealth, Poland would be the richest country in the world ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 19:23 #10
Torq: However, if criticism and pessimism were such important factors in creating wealth, Poland would be the richest country in the world ;) Have patience Torqi! :)

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 19:32 #11
Bratwurst Boy: Germans are often said to be much to critical, pessimist, doubting...but that serves us well! I am very much surprised to hear that such is the state of spirit in Germany. The notion of the German people singing proudly "Deutschland Deutschland über alles" still prevails in Poland, well, it has been prevailing until quite recently ...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 19:34 #12
Well...it's not our hymn we are critical of or doubting! ;)

KsysiaThreads: 39 Posts: 545 Joined: May 6, 09 ♀	Feb 19, 10, 20:08 #13
Bratwurst Boy: we are critical of or doubting! ;) Hm? I thought it was us? Forever moaning? And you Germans would be happily drinking beer in a beerhouse.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 20:10 #14
Ksysia: Hm? I thought it was us? Forever moaning? We moan much better...of course! ;)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 19, 10, 20:51 #15
Bratwurst Boy: We moan much better... German efficiency - the highest in the world in everything including moaning ;)

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 21:24 #16
I think you'll find this feeling is not particular to Poles only. I'd reckon there are more countries with patriotic/nationalistic populations than not.

KsysiaThreads: 39 Posts: 545 Joined: May 6, 09 ♀	Feb 21, 10, 19:21 #17
I hope so, Foreigner - it feels like muck when I'm talking to people who don't love their homes. At least the Americans understand this. When I was living with a family in Alabama in my senior year, I told them that in Poland we have the best bread. They were happy, they said that it's really good that I love my country. (at least Dixies do ;)

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Feb 21, 10, 19:38 #18

I think Poland lacked benchmarks for so long and suffered without such yardsticks. The very use of the words better and best show this. Prefer and different would be far more appropriate words when Poles describe their country. I'd love to ask Poles that have travelled and that are more objective. I think those from the Baltic states and Finland, maybe even Germany and France, would be offended to hear talk of the best. They produce great bread too and too many just jump on the 'My mamy najlepsze' bandwagon.

KsysiaThreads: 39 Posts: 545 Joined: May 6, 09 ♀	Feb 21, 10, 19:42 #19
Really? And if the breweries did not believe they were making the best beer in the county, what would be the point of making it at all? I am entirely at peace with other people saying that their bread is the best.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 19:48 #20
Ksysia: I am entirely at peace with other people saying that their bread is the best. German bread is the best! runs

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 19:48 #21
If you are talking counties then you are talking microbreweries and that's more a thing in Australia or the US. That's local pride, not national pride. I am entirely at peace with people liking their own bread a lot and letting others like theirs in the same fashion.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Feb 21, 10, 19:58 #22
Bratwurst Boy: runs You'd better!!! ;)

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Feb 21, 10, 20:02 #23

I think it has to do with the Polish patriotism although you as a Polish person might not necessary live in Poland anymore, you still hold very strong ties with your country and your roots. That is important for anyone that has been born in other countries and has migrated to other countries to find a better life. It is part of their nationalism and being proud of who we are. Mogłabym to napisać po Polsku ale niestety zajeło by trochę długo czasu!

KsysiaThreads: 39 Posts: 545 Joined: May 6, 09 ♀	Feb 21, 10, 20:03 #24
But I like German bread... and Nuernberger Lebkuchen... I just believe after experimenting that ours is the best. I bet that for BB's taste - German is the best. And I think Lithuanian malt bread is really good, and Czeskie rochliki, etc.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 20:11 #25
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_country_has_the_best_bread, Good old Jewish wikipedia would disagree. Germany wins!

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Feb 21, 10, 20:25 #26
Seanus: Germany wins! No way!!! :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 20:27 #27
Come on now, you know that a Jewish search engine can never be wrong ;0 ;) I'm surprised they let that result stand ;) ;)

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Feb 21, 10, 21:03 #28

Ksysia:

And I think Lithuanian malt bread is really good,

it's great! my sklep osiedlowy used to carry it for some time... and then the good times were over, they had some problems with transportation as it was actually coming from Lithuania. Great, fantastic, heavenly, anything you want. And there were little pieces of something that looked like hay on the crust, I suppose they wrapped it in some kind of grass before baking.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 21, 10, 21:04 #29
Yeah, douma was a great taste experience in Vilnius. Any of the Baltic states produce great stuff and I made sure to try it.

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Feb 21, 10, 21:50 #30

I haven't tried Estonian or Latvian bread yet, Ukrainian is good though. I think they still don't put too much chemicals in it, it's mostly traditional recipes. You can get something called "Lithuanian bread" in Poland but it's not even half as good, it contains substances prolonging the shelf-life and artificial colouring and it's made with yeast when it should be only zakwas. Unfortunately this is also true about most other kinds of Polish bread, it's hard to find the real stuff.

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