Poles - the Nation of Liars?

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 07, 13:02 #91
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy that really is petty I think you mean: that is really pretty.

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Dec 2, 07, 13:03 #92

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Having to bribe people in the medical industry

yes it is problem ...

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Having to bribe driving test examiners

you dont have to ... I think that 99% pass without bribe ... and I think that last time it isnt so easy as it was in 90s.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Foreigners requiring a permit to buy property

I think you can buy flat ... there is porblem with land ... in my opinion it is really good, when we will be richer we will give permition.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

the whole stamping documents procedure

It seams that it will change

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Property register

costs of property register are lower than in USA and most of EU countries.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

having to have car lights on 24/7 all year round

it is safer

Wroclaw Boy

Dec 2, 07, 13:04 #93

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Definition: trivial
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osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 07, 13:06 #94
Sorry, I think I meant: That is really Mickey Mouse.

Wroclaw Boy	Dec 2, 07, 13:07 #95
Quoting: Lukasz I think you can buy flat ... there is porblem with land ... in my opinion it is really good, when we will be richer we will give permition. I know all about that but I live here and still need a permit. Its fair enough putting restrictions on certain purchases to try and avoid the locals being priced out of the market.

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Edited by: slick77 Dec 2, 07, 16:56 #96

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Having to bribe people in the medical industry

Did anybody force you to give a bribe? You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Foreigners requiring a permit to buy property

What is wrong with that?

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

having to have car lights on 24/7 all year round

Makes driving little more safer, wouldn't you agree?

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Having to bribe driving test examiners

Did anybody ask you to gave a bribe? If they did, you should have notified the police.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

the whole stamping documents procedure

What "stamping documents procedure" you have in mind? Be more specific.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Baseing unbaseing and the rights of a based individual

???

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

having to personally visit every utility company with the previous owner of a property to swith the bills, why cant we simply post documents

Perhaps to prevent any possible manipulations involving this procedure?

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Property register

Hmmm, what is wrong with registering property?

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

I always laugh when someone tries to be smart and correct a spelling mistake, that really is petty.

Take a look at your own posts. You will find a lot of spelling mistakes.

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Dec 2, 07, 17:55 #97

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Having to bribe people in the medical industry
Having to bribe driving test examiners
No rhd car insurance
Foreigners requiring a permit to buy property
the whole stamping documents procedure
Property register
having to have car lights on 24/7 all year round
having to personally visit every utility company with the previous owner of a property to swith the bills, why cant we simply post documents

Hardly reason to call entire nation liars.

Wroclaw Boy

Edited by: Administrator Dec 3, 07, 03:37 #98

Quoting: slick77

Take a look at your own posts. You will find a lot of spelling mistakes.

Thats the whole point - dah.

Quoting: slick77

Hardly reason to call entire nation liars.

Thats not the reason, im calling poles a nation of liars because they lie more so than any other nation ive ever known of. The above response is reply a to Patricia.

Quoting: slick77

Did anybody ask you to gave a bribe? If they did, you should have notified the police.

You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there. [/quote]
If you dont bribe you dont get the service, private clincs cost a fortune

Quoting: slick77

What is wrong with that?

there are no guarantees you will get the permit, Poles do not require a permit in my country and theres millions of them.

Quoting: slick77

Makes driving little more safer,

wouldn't you agree?

If it saves one life i suppose it is worth it. just seems a bit silly to have lights on in blazing sunshine and 30 degrees.

Quoting: slick77

Did anybody ask you to gave a bribe? If they did, you should have notified the police.

No I already drive, but many associates of mine are in the process of bribing their instructors. Couild be an explanation as to why there are so many deaths on the roads!!

Quoting: slick77

What "stamping documents procedure" you have in mind? Be more specific.

You obviously havent done any paper work in Poland for a while. All documents need to be stamped or they are worthless. We stopped that around the 20's.

Quoting: slick77

Perhaps to prevent any possible manipulations involving this procedure?

No other Western countries do it.

Quoting: slick77

Hmmm, what is wrong with registering property?

It can take upto 8 months meanwhile you are paying an extra interest rate. the registry office is full of cues with no one really knowing what they are doing. This should be a solicitors job. Oh and theres always a problem.

As for Baseing, all residents of Poland are required to have a base. If for some reason some person has been based at your property and then gets sent to prison or dissapears of the face of this earth for a while, he/she has the right to come back to his/her base and live there no questions asked. Removing this persons base is an erxtremely costly and lenghty process with again no guarantess of success at the end of it.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 3, 07, 03:56 #99
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy Wroclaw Boy \|I dont understand you ... I know It would be great to buy land when there is 11% unemployment and earnings are still much lower than in other EU countries, so maybe I understand your flustration ... but we are really sory ;))) this busineess is for Poles, we negociated it with EU so it is OK your gov agreed ...

Wroclaw Boy	Dec 3, 07, 04:02 #100
Quoting: Lukasz I dont understand you ... I can now see why. I was replying to Slick but hes been suspeneded and his post has been removed in the past 10 minutes. I have to do some work but I'll be back a bit later.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07 ♀	Dec 3, 07, 06:08 #101
Quoting: slick77 Did anybody force you to give a bribe? You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there. Slightly backwards wouldnt you think...corrupt behaviour..hmmm not good...

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Dec 4, 07, 09:42 #102

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

If you dont bribe you dont get the service, private clincs cost a fortune

Fortune? For instance: Why do some british come to Poland to get their teeth fixed? Is it because this service is so expensive? The point is that YOU as a wealthy british subject did not/do not have to bribe anybody unless you have chosen to do so.

Of course, corruption is everywhere, but it doesn't mean you can call entire nation liars because SOME doctors are corrupt.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

Poles do not require a permit in my country and theres millions of them.

That's because Polish law is different than british. If you do not like the Polish law, why can't you move out of Poland and go back to Britain where everything seems perfect and you wouldn't have to suffer under the oppression of Polish law anymore.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

No other Western countries do it.

Just because other countries don't do it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

The whole point of your post was to prove that Poland is a corrupt country and Poles are liars. Now, you are telling me that some procedures that were clearly established to prevent manipulation and corruption are "no good" and should be abandoned because other countries don't have this kind of procedure. This makes no sense.

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

It can take upto 8 months meanwhile you are paying an extra interest rate. the registry office is full of cues with no one really knowing what they are doing. This should be a solicitors job. Oh and theres always a problem.

It just means this procedure should be changed. It does not prove your point that Poland is corrupt and Poles are liars.

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Dec 4, 07, 09:48 #103

Quoting: slick77

Take a look at your own posts. You will find a lot of spelling mistakes.

thanks slick, but he is right, it was petty.. I was trying to get his attention to post
on my question... which he did. and discuss the issues bothering him about it..

the medical bribes I do agree on that needs to change. people shouldnt have to worry if they will face a life threatening situation if they dont pay up front or pay enough to
the physician that will be the ultimate caregiver in making sure this persons health
doesnt fail. to me this makes no sense.. so I do agree on that one.

Wroclaw Boy

Dec 4, 07, 09:59 #104

Quoting: slick77

The whole point of your post was to prove that Poland is a corrupt country and Poles are liars. Now, you are telling me that some procedures that were clearly established to prevent manipulation and corruption are "no good" and should be abandoned because other countries don't have this kind of procedure. This makes no sense.

Now hang on a minute slick, thats was not the purpose at all. Although Poland is a corrupt country never the less. My GF bribed a Police Officer on my first trip wit a 100 PLN.

No, what im trying to point out is that many a Pole lie, albeit a white or a big dirty balck lie they do lie, now of course all people lie regardless of their nation but.... Poles do lie quite often. Poles them selves will not admit this as it really is a part of every day life but put them out of touch for a few months and take them out of that whole life and they start to realise that lying does not have to be a part of every day life. I really dont want to get torn into an argument on this subject unless i really have to. And if need be I will rant on for a while proving my point.

Why did you get suspended?

Wroclaw Boy	Dec 4, 07, 10:02 #105
Lets get one thing straight I like Poland i live here for petes sake, but...... there are issues I have to endore which drive me positively nuts!!

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Edited by: Patrycja19 Dec 4, 07, 10:11 #106

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

there are issues I have to endore which drive me positively nuts!!

then you should have started your thread with that line..

Polish issues that drive me nuts.. the thread is a open invitation for argument
because your accusing poles of being liars..

I can say that I honestly dont know. I cant comment on the rest, but my cousins
live there and one thing she did mention was the health care issues.. shes up in
age so I can see where concern is when it comes to needing medical attention and
how far it is taken before someone actually administers care..

and Im not saying all doctors are like this, after all I am sure they teach ethics and
how doctors should act vs real life and what goes on behind the scenes.. its sad
that this does occur.

Wroclaw Boy

Dec 4, 07, 10:18 #107

Here we go Slick:

Quoting: slick77

Fortune? For instance: Why do some british come to Poland to get their teeth fixed? Is it because this service is so expensive? The point is that YOU as a wealthy british subject did not/do not have to bribe anybody unless you have chosen to do so.

Dental treatment is expensive in any country just a little less expensive in Poland. As you stated in a previous post you dont need to bribe any medical persons in the private sector.

Quoting: slick77

Of course, corruption is everywhere, but it doesn't mean you can call entire nation liars because SOME doctors are corrupt.

Not the case at all, bribes are taken in all sectors including governamt. I did it!

Quoting: slick77

That's because Polish law is different than british. If you do not like the Polish law, why can't you move out of Poland and go back to Britain where everything seems perfect and you wouldn't have to suffer under the oppression of Polish law anymore.

I'll be gone soon enough as soon as I take what i'm owed... 1,000.000 PLN maybe?

Quoting: ShelleyS

Just because other countries don't do it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

True but one day hopefully withn the next five years you will learn.

Quoting: slick77

The whole point of your post was to prove that Poland is a corrupt country and Poles are liars. Now, you are telling me that some procedures that were clearly established to prevent manipulation and corruption are "no good" and should be abandoned because other countries don't have this kind of procedure. This makes no sense.

Yup, youre damn right. Follow suite its the EU way, communism is gone now its OK you can move on.

Quoting: slick77

It just means this procedure should be changed. It does not prove your point that Poland is corrupt and Poles are liars.

Absolutely, hey menn and how long?

Wroclaw Boy

Dec 4, 07, 10:33 #108

Quoting: Patrycja19

then you should have started your thread with that line..

Polish issues that drive me nuts.. the thread is a open invitation for argument
because your accusing poles of being liars..

A Ha, yes but i just got back from a meeting with a bunch of lying Polish People. had it been any thing different then maybe the thread would have been different.

Dont worry the next one will be hopefully - Poles my best friends - or maybe - Poles the best cooks in the World!!

We shall see.

they do lie though

Lady in red	Dec 4, 07, 12:03 #109
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy they do lie though So do British people. Maybe the difference is Polish people don't do it very well but British people have had more practise at it and you can't tell as well, that they are lying ? My point is most member's of the human race lie at some point in their life, what the heck has Race got to do with it......huh !

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 4, 07, 12:07 #110
The title of the thread is a lie.

Wroclaw Boy	Edited by: Administrator Dec 5, 07, 17:53 #111
Quoting: southern The title of the thread is a lie. I wish it was Quoting: Lady in red My point is most member's of the human race lie at some point in their life, what the heck has Race got to do with it......huh ! Of course we all lie from time to time, all i can say lady is live in Poland for a bit and get to know the mentality and then make a decision, im not making this up.

pamlarougeThreads: 4 Posts: 68 Joined: Oct 27, 07 ♀	Edited by: Administrator Dec 5, 07, 18:51 #112
Quoting: slick77 I'm not being defensive. In his original post (and his other posts too) WroclawBoy made a lot of unfair generalizations. I just wanted to to point that out. I have to agree there. Quoting: RJ_cdn Good for her.....now, if she could only figure out how to stop you from posting on PF.... chuckles Quoting: osiol I think you mean: that is really pretty. HAHAHA

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Edited by: z_darius Dec 5, 07, 21:44 #113

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy

If it saves one life i suppose it is worth it. just seems a bit silly to have lights on in blazing sunshine and 30 degrees.

We have the same regulation in Ontario, and I find it useful and I think it makes everybody safer. Some vehicles merge with the background easier than others, so sometimes you may see them when it's too late.

Now, what do headlights have to do with lying again?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Dec 5, 07, 22:35 #114
Quoting: z_darius Now, what do headlights have to do with lying again? Maybe because you can spot a liar when they are driving......

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Dec 6, 07, 01:32 #115

i'm wondering what cross section of polish people wroclaw boy is frequenting among and in which areas of the country. Maybe it's just the kind of people he does business with, or maybe there's something about him that inspires people to lie, perhaps. Let's all lie to wroclaw boy whether we are polish or not, perhaps he'll change his tune. Hey wroclaw boy, i'm a 3 time olympian bobsled champion!

Quoting: Lukasz

I know It would be great to buy land when there is 11% unemployment and earnings are still much lower than in other EU countries, so maybe I understand your flustration ... but we are really sory ;))) this busineess is for Poles, we negociated it with EU so it is OK your gov agreed ...

great point!

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Edited by: Puzzler Dec 6, 07, 02:13 #116

Quoting: Foreigner4

i'm wondering what cross section of polish people wroclaw boy is frequenting among

- Wroclaw Boy appears to me a kind of chauvinistic Brit. He defends his nationalistic convictions by putting down the Poles. It's unfortunate indeed. (Many other folks from so-called Western Europe seem to function exactly the same - the relict of the Cold War stereotyping and hate propaganda, still carried on by many media psychopaths). Now, it's a fact that there are many Brits who treat fairly Polish people residing in Britain, but there are also scores of those who dupe them and exploit without mercy, not to mention crude insults, beatings, and killings. There are countless press reports in Poland and statements by Poles on Polish chat sites about this. Should we Poles, therefore, assume that ALL Brits, or even the majority of them, are nation of liars, exploiters, racists and killers? Of course not. By the way, are any Brits residing in Poland treated even one thousandth as bad as some Poles residing in Britain?

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 251 Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂	Dec 6, 07, 03:07 #117
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy Sorry folks but the Poles are a Nation of liars Having lived here for 5 years i have to agree with Wroclaw Boy, seems to me that in Poland it is seen as a weakness to admit you were wrong or say sorry and so people just lie to cover up.

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Dec 6, 07, 05:12 #118

Puzzler posted some very good points, i am waiting for the reply.

Quoting: db1874

Having lived here for 5 years i have to agree with Wroclaw Boy, seems to me that in Poland it is seen as a weakness to admit you were wrong or say sorry and so people just lie to cover up.

i don't know about that one being only specific to poles. There's been some forum debates where i've been tenacious with my points. Now although I am right (of course right?), those people i was debating points with kept up their futile arguements. My point being that if i had been more diplomatic then my counterparts may have been less defensive. your experiences are largely your doing.

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 251 Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂	Dec 6, 07, 07:11 #119
Quoting: Foreigner4 i don't know about that one being only specific to poles. For sure it's not just a Polish trait, but having lived and worked elsewhere and then moved to Poland I've found the level of dishonesty and lying here quite phenomenal, mainly when you have to deal with a stranger.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Dec 6, 07, 07:23 #120
Quoting: db1874 For sure it's not just a Polish trait, but having lived and worked elsewhere and then moved to Poland I've found the level of dishonesty and lying here quite phenomenal, mainly when you have to deal with a stranger. Some of the other threads suggest that it happens with business deals. I've been here for quite some time and I've never had a problem.

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