Poles are not racist

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07 ♂	Apr 16, 07, 06:41 #61
Quoting: Amathyst Amathyst What would you do if a pakistan guy proposed you ?

thetennismaste	May 1, 07, 21:26 #62
I am an american............I feel that the polish are wonderful people and that if anyone says otherwise their wrong. I am trying to learn russian and i have learned a good lot on WW11 and i think the nazi's were cruel and a lot of other things................if anyone here denies that the was a holocost read some books and specifically Anne Frank

Aundie

May 30, 07, 08:40 #63

i am a black american woman [afro-native american], and on some pts i agree with you. many black folks are indeed jealous, and it saddens me that most of us still have that "you owe me" attitude. i just want you to know that i am one of many black folks that dont think you owe us anything and i like ppl of many races, i cant talk, i'm not 100% black myself. what i'm trying to say is that eventhough its hard, ignore them, they are jealous and cant get over themselves. we blacks even tend to be very racist and colorstruck towards our own race as well depending on complexion; i get alot of discrimination from other blacks b/c i'm considered "red bone" (in between light brown and yellow). just wanted you to know that we all arent like that. i just dont want you to think that we all are that way. i know that its very irritating that they cant leave things in the past. just pay them no attention b/c they are in deed jealous and have unecessary anger.

thanks.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	May 30, 07, 10:43 #64
Quoting: Aundie am a black american woman ok Quoting: Aundie i cant talk, i'm not 100% black myself ?? Quoting: Aundie in between light brown and yellow dont worry i m red blue green !!!! Quoting: Aundie anger :) be happy

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Edited by: Gigel Jun 13, 07, 13:13 #65

Quoting: Pavel

Living in the mental health system, I have seen blacks that are racist (very infact) and some go as far and say it to your face. Most just pretend to be your friends, but talk behind your back. Now I for one am not racist, I just wish people (black) would stop hating me and my friends for attrocities commited hundreds of years ago. I'm not English, I'm not French I had nothing to do with the slave trade and cramming hundreds of slaves aboard ships suitable for only about 50 "passangers". Poland had no colonies, never tried to conquer Africa (Italy, Germany during the II World War). My only conclusion is yet another case of jelously of our frosty blue eyed blond hairs, a hate on such a magnitude that all I can do is ignore it and continue to enjoy my life

I`m glad for your sake, Pavel, but I consider my own people curva (Romanians). What do you think about that - am I proud enough for u?
I like every folk, but balcanic and ucrainian. And most of Oriental guys. I hate those. I wsh I could destroy them all. ;) well, if I were at the height at least of Bush. Dreams... dreams...

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Jun 13, 07, 13:21 #66

Quoting: thetennismaste

Quote . May 1, 07, 21:26 . #62

I am an american............I feel that the polish are wonderful people and that if anyone says otherwise their wrong. I am trying to learn russian and i have learned a good lot on WW11 and i think the nazi's were cruel and a lot of other things................if anyone here denies that the was a holocost read some books and specifically Anne Frank

Romanians were also curva in WWII (no matter the nazis or not). Nazis were not right, but Russiansd were 10 times more jerks. Communism had destroyed half of Eurasia, compared to the Nazi, and that over a period 10 times larger. (50 years). Compare ;

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Jun 13, 07, 13:32 #67

How many people were in poland here ?
In the blocks are often graffitis , "brudasy to kutasy " " zyd to frajer zyd to buc zyie po to by go tluc" " Biala sila ponad wszystko " .
I dont know how the richer people think , but on osiedle most people hate germans , jews, communsits , gays etc ! You remember Christopher street day in warszawa? or gay parade in krakow ? on soccerstadiums the ultras and hools have racist flags , or the club lechia gdansk sings "dziki dziki dziki do afriki " !
Yes hip hop bands sings " Lubi nas niewielu wiekszosc nienawidzi boja sie wszyscy szczegolnosci zydzi" ! The antifa scene in poland is very small !

Rasicst are everywhere , but EVERY race it doesnt matter or white black asian latino muslim everywhere are good people and bad people ! only the spirit of the human is the reason why you like him or not and not the race!

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06 ♂	Jun 13, 07, 13:39 #68
Quoting: PolskaSila Christopher street day A famously gay street in NYC

PolskaSilaThreads: 2 Posts: 43 Joined: Jun 3, 07 ♂	Jun 13, 07, 16:00 #69
And a gayparade ...... but in eastern europe it will never been again i think !

bartekThreads: 1 Posts: 15 Joined: Dec 27, 06 ♂	Jun 14, 07, 03:16 #70
I think 95% of us are not racists. But that 5% of morons are very laud, like in every other case like that. I live in Poznan by student house, where live many students from Africa and China. I never seen any unpleasent situation. pozdrawiam :-)

PolskaSilaThreads: 2 Posts: 43 Joined: Jun 3, 07 ♂	Jun 14, 07, 05:12 #71
Slask , Gdansk , Warszawa , Czestochowa , Kielce and a lot more are rightwinged ! Poznan? Its a town with very much Antifa and Hip Hop fanatics !

ladystardustThreads: 1 Posts: 84 Joined: May 7, 07 ♀	Edited by: ladystardust Jun 14, 07, 09:44 #72
Quoting: PolskaSila In the blocks are often graffitis Somehow, the quotes that follow in combination with your nickname bother me ;) Plus I come from Kielce (yes, I am a scyzoryk ;) and know many foreigners there - they never complained ;) Up to an extent that there is a black gyneacologyst in Kielce and some time ago he was voted the Friendliest Doctor in the city :)

PolskaSilaThreads: 2 Posts: 43 Joined: Jun 3, 07 ♂	Jun 14, 07, 09:57 #73
Kielce URL Hear the song from , and look at the grafitis and KKK Flags ! Not every pole is a racist , but many people dont like other races , and the youth is going be bad ... tak byl jest i bedzie , every country has rasicst , be happy when in your friends or family are neutral people , but it is everywhere so . ladystardust , ile masz lat ?

ladystardustThreads: 1 Posts: 84 Joined: May 7, 07 ♀	Edited by: ladystardust Jun 14, 07, 10:03 #74
Quoting: PolskaSila Hear the song from , and look at the grafitis and KKK Flags ! These are hooligans! And hooligans are the same everywhere :( Plus putting this vid here, while people talk about racism is really inadequate. I am talking about people in the street. Does my age have anything to do with the racism discussion? ;)

change

Sep 23, 07, 13:02 #75

I must say that living in london, most of the polish people i've met are definitely racist and/or homophobic. the sad thing is, they seem to forget that they are guests in this country and should behave appropriately. Most of the time they dont. It was said before that you also have racist English people living here, but honestly, does this make their own behavior any better? Is ethnic cleansing for example ok, because in Yugoslavia, Ruanda or in Germany it happened too? Considering Poland's history of being invaded by Germany, one might think, they have learned a right and wrong lesson when it comes to people who are different whether regarding their sexuality or the color of their skin. Quite the opposite is happening, as we can see reading serious newspapers. The same reasons the Nazis had to kill millions of people are now adapted by polish immigrants.
See here:
observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2057514,00.html

i really don't understand, why these people are coming here causing trouble. if they don't like being among different people, feel free to go back, from wherever village you came from in the first place. The sooner the better. Otherwise wake up and behave.

_Sofi_

Edited by: _Sofi_ Sep 23, 07, 13:13 #76

Quoting: Pavel

Poles are not racist

one of the guys that I work with from Poland said to me the first day we spoke

"Don't you think Russian women are like dogs?" (the answer was "I haven't met them all, so I wouldn't generalise" and pointed out a pretty Russian colleague - "no.")

and "me and my friends think Scottish girls are not attractive" (I was meant to take it as a compliment for he made me an exception.. but again I just pointed out it was a very general thing to say)

...and stereotyping leads to... - ?

I don't think you can say that none are racist nor all of them - I'm sure it's the same anywhere - some are/some aren't. This point has to be repeated until it is beyond redundant: this sort of thing is individual-based.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Sep 23, 07, 13:21 #77
There does seem to be more racism from Polish people. Maybe this is partly because of the lack of ethnic diversity in Poland and much distrust of their two biggest neighbours. I met some otherwise nice people in Poland, but their opinions about black people set them back some way in my opinion. They had never met any black people in their lives.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Sep 23, 07, 13:25 #78
Quoting: change Go fuk yourself you damn faggot.

change	Sep 23, 07, 13:26 #79
hmmm... to be fair osiol, you're right. they might just need more time to get used to different people. And they shall have their time. But would it be too much to ask for, while taking their time, to leave other people alone? Just leave Blacks or Asian or gay or whatever people alone, in other words, take your time but shut up in the meantime.

HmmmThreads: 1 Posts: 91 Joined: Sep 18, 07 ♂	Sep 23, 07, 13:29 #80
Grzegorz_! You're a hot blooded patriot. Respect you, yo!

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Sep 23, 07, 13:41 #81

I can feel the heat turning up on this thread. It started out innocuous. But isn't that way anymore. Let's not get too judgemental, yo! If you really want to see what havoc racism can wreck, go to Sudan where they're slaughtering women and children in the most horrific ways. Racism in any form - mild or wild - is a total lack of respect and a bankruptcy of ideals. The opposite of racism isn't tolerance. It's mutual respect. Wow! This beer is strong stuff, hic!

change	Sep 23, 07, 13:55 #82
Yeah right, so i tell the guy who got beaten up by racist poles in england to stop complaining plus wasting tax payers money in hospital and to go to Sudan instead to see what it really means to be unlucky? Is that what you suggest? Agreed for your other statements.

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Edited by: Daisy Sep 23, 07, 13:55 #83

The September issue of Multi Cultural matters has shown the results of a survey in europe regarding racial tolerence.

I have tried attaching a link, but with the day I'm having it probably won't work, so I'll have to copy and paste it

it didn't work, here goes

The report shows that while 25% of Britons say they want to live in an area where ‘almost nobody is of a different race, colour or ethnic group from most people living in this country’, this actually places the UK amongst the most tolerant nations in Europe given the comparable percentages for other countries which are -
• Switzerland 17%
• Sweden 20%
• Germany & Luxembourg 22%
• France & Norway 23%
• Italy & UK 25%
• Finland & Spain 31%
• Netherlands 32%
• Austria, Ireland & Poland 33%
• Czech Republic & Slovenia 34%
• Denmark 36%
• Portugal 38%
• Israel 40%
• Belgium 41%
• Greece 44%
• Hungary 60%
Source: European Social Survey
The report shows that the majority of people in the UK identify most strongly with their locality or town over regional, national or global identity: 56% of the population identify with locality first, compared with 25% that identify with the nation, and this is something that cuts across the generations. The report argues that a new national day should allow people to celebrate their local as well as national identity.
The suggestion has not gone down well with everyone - Neil Carberry, Head of Employment Policy at the CBI, is quoted in the press as saying that although the idea of celebrating national heroes was a "positive one", there was "no reason" why this could not be done on an existing bank holiday. He believes that an extra bank holiday could cost the economy up to £6 billion.

change	Sep 23, 07, 14:02 #84
wow. now that's interesting. whats wrong in Hungary? Most surprisingly for me is Greece, Finland and Spain..

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Sep 23, 07, 14:08 #85

A friend of mine (a woman) got beaten up by a group of black women jut because she was white. During my stay in London I got in several brawls with them local rude boys as well as with some angry Asians who thought I was flirting with some Asian girl, which BTW I weren’t. If it wasn't for few black people from my work I would probably become racist as well as that friend that got beaten. Please, don't try to say that black people and Asians are saints.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: osiol Sep 23, 07, 14:09 #86
Quoting: Matyjasz Please, don't try to say that black people and Asians are saints Not everyone is a saint. There are good and bad people of all colours, shapes, sizes and persuasions. Two wrongs don't make a right. If an individual does wrong, you blame the individual, not everyone who has the same colour eyes or the same shoe size.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06 ♂	Sep 23, 07, 14:13 #87
Quoting: osiol Not everyone is a saint. There are good and bad people of all colours, shapes, sizes and persuasions. Two wrongs don't make a right. If an individual does wrong, you blame the individual, not everyone who has the same colour eyes or the same shoe size. Yes, this seems to be the moral of that story. :)

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Sep 23, 07, 14:27 #88

Quoting: change

go to Sudan instead to see what it really means to be unlucky? Is that what you suggest?

Def. not, Change. I see what has incensed you. Two days ago, an Iranian student was stabbed in the heart and has his wrist slit by a pack of Russians in Moscow. This was just outside his embassy. He succumbed to his injuries in the ambulance that was driving him to the hospital. The paramedics did all they could to keep him alive, but in vain. Ironically, these paramedics were Russians, too. My point is, if Russians plunged the dagger, then who were they who tried to dress the wound? They were Russians too. What's the difference between the ones that stabbed the Iranian kid and the ones that tried to save him? It's the mindset.

The sad truth is, there's a racist in each of us. We constantly profile people. We evaluate characters. We assign value and worth to individuals based on the colour of the skin, on their accent, on their faith and beliefs. But the difference between you and the Poles who beat up the sorry bloke, is that you have the strength of conviction and the dignity of character to show restraint and to constantly correct/check yourself.

I understand your rage against the racially-inspired attacks and the failure of the world system . But by choosing to refrain from generalising most Poles as racists, you won't be defeated by the system... you'll be rising above it.

change	Sep 23, 07, 14:38 #89
Wow, its good that most of the people in this forum seem to be reasonable in thinking and obviously fitted with some common sense. Are you all polish by the way? And if so, can you not all come and live in london? I really try to keep open minded but its hard if i mostly meet people with Grzegorz_ attitude.

HmmmThreads: 1 Posts: 91 Joined: Sep 18, 07 ♂	Sep 23, 07, 14:51 #90
[ Quoting: change I really try to keep open minded Change, you're a good dog, yo! An open mind closes many an arguement. I'm not Polish, I'm not English, I'm not Asian. I'm human. Just like you. And I love London :) great city!!!

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