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Nov 14, 10, 04:44 #31

Polonia1:

We are more pious then most countries. Probably the most devout country in europe. I remember when I arrived in Poland 2 years ago (first time as an adult) The first thing I noticed travelling through the Polish country side was the packed church's. People were standing outside as there was no room and kneeling.

Maybe this is what makes Poland different? The authoritarianism of the Roman Catholic Church. Let's say if the Poles were Protestant they would be a lot like the Czechs. No?

enkidu:

When the Swedish invaded us they soon find out that the conquer the Poland is one thing. But ruling Poland is something much more complicated. They found the Polish completely unmanageable and has left our country with despair and contempt in their hearts.

I'm sure they managed to take a few Polish women with 'em.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 14, 10, 05:12 #32
Chicago Pollock: I'm sure they managed to take a few Polish women with 'em. If the Polish women were the same as today I wouldn't like to take them with me if I was the defeated Swedish solider. For what? To hear for the rest of my life how miserable I am? :-)

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Nov 14, 10, 05:21 #33
enkidu: If the Polish women were the same as today I wouldn't like to take them with me if I was the defeated Swedish solider. For what? To hear for the rest of my life how miserable I am? :-) Well, you are a Swede so you don't understand what she's blabbering about. Just don't teach her any Swedish and ... enjoy ;)

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 14, 10, 05:46 #34
Bzibzioh: Well, you are a Swede so you don't understand what she's blabbering about. Just don't teach her any Swedish and ... enjoy ;) The language is unimportant when the woman is in the ****** mood. I am sure that any married guy would support me on this.

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Nov 14, 10, 10:19 #35
Polonia1: We are more pious then most countries. Pious when it is convenient to us. Living according to the Ten Commandments not always works out fine for us.

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Nov 14, 10, 11:11 #36

peter_olsztyn:

Pious when it is convenient to us. Living according to the Ten Commandments not always works out fine for us.

lol yea thats about right.

I come form the highlands and there is a saying their when someone is being pushy "tak sie pcha jak Goral do spowiegi"....."his as pushy as a highlander to the confessional" (I can testify to that, as when i visit I almost always miss communion because I cnt get through to the scrum of ppl) Anyway the impression I always get is that its just for show. As in you need to be seen at church or u'll be ill spoken of (particularly among the older generations) So to some extent the piety is put on

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Nov 14, 10, 12:22 #37

noreenb:

What drives us?
- high ambitions about career especially among young people: they're like crazy about going further to get their goals without looking at others
- money
- high standard of living
- a very good education
- healthy life style
- travels
- entertainment

Everyone of your listings involves needing money, its interesting reading the responses everyone mentions money with the exception of Torq. I wonder what would replace money if we didnt live in such cynical world. I don't understand power as an answer... power over others, power in work? what does power mean for others as an ambition exactly? Power for me is being comfortable with ones self.

Although im not Polish i'd have to say money too, the things i want out of life are simply not achievable without it.

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Nov 14, 10, 12:50 #38
Wroclaw Boy: Everyone of your listings involves needing money, its interesting reading the responses everyone mentions money with the exception of Torq. I wonder what would replace money if we didnt live in such cynical world. You should take up philosophy;)

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Edited by: noreenb Nov 14, 10, 19:10 #39

Wroclaw_Boy

I don't understand power as an answer... power over others

We all want to be powerful. Your personal power means You are important for Yourself and others. I think it's a good feeling.

I wonder what would replace money if we didnt live in such cynical world.

Other things you can touch or smell?
Can You imagine world without money? I can't. The more important about them is when they become the main target. We work for money, no doubt, money allow us to realize dreams. It's the best thing. I don't like money, I like plenty opportunities they give me. I like to have dreams first, then money to dream more. Other sequence is wrong.

Power for me is being comfortable with ones self.

Fine :)
The highest order is to say order to myself. It's very difficult sometimes.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Nov 14, 10, 22:34 #40
Ashleys mind: What do Poles want, what drives them...? Usually it is vodka.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Nov 14, 10, 22:40 #41
Ashleys mind: What drives Poles? Is it their peity, is it expectation of family regarding family, is it love, money, power... what is it? Freedom and to be treated fairly.

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 10, 22:47 #42

noreenb:

We all want to be powerful.

No we dont, we all want money i'll give you that.

Lets say youre powerful in your definition and then i meet you, i guarantee you will not be more powerful than me in the psychological or physical sense.

Again please define power....

If i killed you would i be more powerful?

noreenb:

Can You imagine world without money?

Yes.

noreenb:

I don't like money, I like plenty opportunities they give me. I like to have dreams first, then money to dream more. Other sequence is wrong.

What a product of society you are, the perfect pawn.

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Edited by: noreenb Nov 14, 10, 23:09 #43

Power is for me a state of mind. Psychological sense of power?
Everybody can be powerful if he wants to. The problem is about:when and why. If You want power, you will get it, because your mind needs it. Say to Your mind: I want to be a king: you become him in the same moment.
When I am happy and healthy, I am powerful, I can have whatever I want then.
I am filled with energy and power when I realize my dreams. If I want money, I will get them somehow because it depends only on me.

If i killed you would i be more powerful?

Maybe, I don't know.

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Edited by: Havok Nov 16, 10, 03:46 #44

Wroclaw Boy:

Again please define power....

Power

a (1) : ability to act or produce an effect (3) : capacity for being acted upon or undergoing an effect b : legal or official authority, capacity, or right

2a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others b : one having such power; specifically : c : a controlling group : establishment —often used in the phrase the powers that ...

straight out of the dictionary

You sound like Clinton, "depends what the meaning of the word 'is' is"...

you wanna be the pitcher not the catcher

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Edited by: Ashleys mind Nov 16, 10, 05:03 #45

Quote zetigrek: Everyone is an individual case. I can revise the question and ask you what drives on your fellowcountry men. It's not easy question...

Aussies... we like our booze, free time, travel and adventures. Devout but not conservative. We like to have adventures in other countries and like to meet EVERYONE.

We like to celebrate our aussieness (economic, social and political freedom) and have worked hard to make the nation what it is - a welcoming environmental and political sanctuary - but have no perceived political supremacy (and within Aus this is improving too).

We are driven by a desire to have a fair go, to honour our courageous and to have a good time.

Keep it coming, I think we're getting somewhere...

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,508 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Nov 16, 10, 06:11 #46
Ashleys mind: we like our booze, free time, travel and adventures i like your booze too , shrimp on the barbie- the best invention in the world goo Ozzies!

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Nov 16, 10, 06:19 #47
Havok: goo Ozzies! You can stay... ;)

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Nov 16, 10, 07:07 #48
Ashleys mind: Aussies... we like our booze, free time And letting the immigrants do the hard work

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Edited by: Ashleys mind Nov 16, 10, 11:46 #49

Polonia1:

And letting the immigrants do the hard work

No, because we have such a thing as union representation, minimum wage and a fair recruitment process. :)

Subject to language competency and skill competency, you can go for ANY job here you like.

We have a very tolerant and multi-racial society... so much so, people continue to want to be a part of it.

The case with many immigrants in many countries is that their language skills are lacking, this can affect their ability to gain employment in their preferred sector, which then causes them to lose confidence/ motivation and results in they're doing a job they are over qualified for.

In other cases they are from "less developed" countries (or fleeing political persecution), and so quite possibly are not equipped with the professional skill set required in the workforce of a developed economy like ours.... Though i'm sure they would rather continue their work here in the knowledge that they are safe from said persecution with the chance to build a new life for themselves and their children... :)

In all cases, immigrants seeking refuge in Australia are entitled to free language assimilation classes - in fact i'm a volunteer tutor. This is to aid them in feeling more comfortable with their new surroundings, and to help them gain access to the numerous other services available in a country that has been housing immigrants since it's inception as a colony.

However if you would like to provide evidence for the slanderous and ignorant comment you felt entitled to post, then I am all ears.... You seem very worldy. ;)

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Edited by: Havok Nov 16, 10, 21:20 #50

I like you Ashley, you're such a sweetheart

I’ve done something similar, well…

a long time ago, a girl, a Polish newcomer asked me to translate for her on the written driver's license exam (ok i got suckered into this cuz she was hot), They allow this here…

halfway through I got frustrated with the process and basically gave her all the answers. Next was my sister, which “pretended not to speak” English, and then her friend with a semi-Polish last name…
As you can imagine, I became very popular very quickly, Polish people would bring me vodka and use various methods of guilt tripping me into “helping” them … (i was 18 than).
Well, singlehandedly I’m responsible for a lot of Polish drivers who don't know the traffic rules very well. So if you see Polacks ignoring the red light and driving on the wrong side of the highway in the US, just think of me.
I’ll deny everything.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,787 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Nov 16, 10, 21:29 #51
what drives them ? madness, like everybody else !

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 17, 10, 10:08 #52
Like anywhere else, a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic motivators apply. Some want children, some don't. Some want peace, some don't. What drives them? A sense of purpose. What drives a clerk doesn't drive a bricklayer. In general, there are those that strive to be better, to play 'catch up' with other nations like Germany and France.

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Nov 17, 10, 10:14 #53

Is it just me or are people here a step beyond disrespectful? For example no one says excuse me, cuts in line, etc. Now I lived in East Detroit for 20years and never had ton worry about exploding on someone because they damn near knocked me down and didnt bother to say exuse me or help,on top of that they look at me like IM CRAZY!!!??? Seriously as God as my witness Im in the process of writing a book about that and TODAYS POLAND. Does anyone else notice this?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 17, 10, 10:22 #54
That drives them, Polamerican27 ;) ;) Boorland is alive and well, that's what many want ;)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Nov 17, 10, 12:00 #55
Poles usually want everything except money.

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Nov 17, 10, 14:12 #56
southern: Poles usually want everything except money So they value the things that money can't buy...? No wonder I like them so much. :)

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 241 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Nov 17, 10, 19:45 #57
What I want? To spend time with my family and 2 pets,to keep the friens I have and meet new ones (it may be hard as I'm crazy:D), to finish my school and get a good job (at least mildly interesting and with convenient salary) and to just be happy.I've never dreamt about anything else.Och,and I want my life to be a little bit useful.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 17, 10, 19:51 #58
Their goal is a King! Monarchy!!! Go go go!

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