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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Anybody know who, when and why moved Sunday to the last day of the week on Polish calendars?
Our American calendars and those of Poland before the reds took over always had Sunday as the first day of the week. That is logical, because if the Jewish sabbath was on Saturday, the 7th day iof the week, then the following day, Sunday, cannot also be the 7th day.
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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Why do you go out of your way to re-enforce the dumb polak stereotype?
mafketisThreads: 17
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Saturday and Sunday are the week _end_.
If Sunday's supposed to be the first day, then why isn't Saturday/Sunday called the weekend/beginning?

I've always thought of Monday as the first day of the week and Sunday as the last.
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mafketis:


I've always thought of Monday as the first day of the week and Sunday as the last.


Me too.

Strange thread.

;)
Cardno85Threads: 33
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I always think of Monday as the beginning of the week. But I have had calendars in the past that have started on a Sunday. I don't think it's a particular rule, just horses for courses.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Not as bad as the Scottish ones :0 We just change the year on the calendar and not the dates. It cuts down on expense ;)
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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I can understand where no-one on this forum has ever seen a pre-commie Polish calendar but has no-one ever been to America and seen an American celndar as well?
No dumb Polak image intended, just a straightforward inquiry. Polish calendars used to have Sunday in first place, now it's in last. My question is when by whose hand and why that occurred.
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Polonius3:

My question is when by whose hand and why that occurred.


I wish I knew.

;)
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Joined: Oct 18, 08 ♀ 		 Jan 1, 09, 17:29    #9
In the US, our wall calendars typically show Sunday as the first day of the week and Saturday as the last day. The exceptions I can think of are those calendars that are "work week calendars" like the ones posted at one's office, or ones like my datebook that I carry with me everywhere. Those calendars usually have full pages for each "work day" Monday through Friday, then Saturday or Sunday share a page.

Seanus's comment about the Scottish calendars made me laugh!

Happy New Year's Day (Thursday and NOT the first or last day of the week)!
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mafketis:

Saturday and Sunday are the week _end

Maybe each is at opposite ends of the week.
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 4, 09, 09:05    #11
The very concept of a weekend is quite a recent one in hsitorical terms and probably does not go much beyond the 20th century. Since Saturday and Sunday were days off, the term weekend was coined. But calendars go way back to the Middle Ages. So there is no contradiction between the calendar's arrangement and the term weekend.
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Why do Polish calendars list Monday first?

The Sabbath or Seventh day has always been the last day of the week and Sunday sas always been the first. Anyone know why the wall calendars produced in today's Poland are arse-backwards and list Monday as the first day of the week? Is this a communist-era custom that has been continued for some reason? In America calendars always list Sunday first. What about the UK?
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What????????Monday is the first day of the week in Poland and always has been.
Why in England sunday is the first day of the week????if you call it weekend???????????????????????????????????????????????????strange..... .
DerevonThreads: 12
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I'd say the Americans and English are backwards here if anyone. Around 2000 years or so. ;)
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Polonius3:
Polonius3

Do you spend half of your life thinking of stupid things to post?

Monday is the first "working" day of the week and Sunday is day 7 so, it makes perfect sense!

Derevon:
I'd say the Americans and English are backwards here if anyone. Around 2000 years or so. ;)

Not at all, calenders start Monday in the UK too.

slonce:
What????????Monday is the first day of the week in Poland and always has been.

See above. Sunday is always in red simply to signify it being an important day, not the start of the week, maybe Pol just doesnt understand this, the bloody heathen!
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Amathyst:
Do you spend half of your life thinking of stupid things to post?

lol. At least he's thinking.


What about dates? In Poland the day goes first, then the month.
Confusing when you see 13/12/09. It's like what the...?
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I think only jewish people consider Saturday as the seventh day. For catholics, it's always been Sunday. The fact that american calendars start on Sunday, even tho everyone considers sunday the end of the week, is a little 'tell' of Jewish influence.
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krysia:
13/12/09. It's like what the...?

Correct way.

Smallest to largest.
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krysia:
What about dates? In Poland the day goes first, then the month.

Same in the UK.

krysia:
lol. At least he's thinking.

Hardly, he post the most crud on this forum.

time means:
Smallest to largest.

I was going to say typical man and then thought, hang on a minute..did a man just say that! :D

f stop:
I think only jewish people consider Saturday as the seventh day. For catholics, it's always been Sunday. The fact that american calendars start on Sunday, even tho everyone considers sunday the end of the week, is a little 'tell' of Jewish influence.

Why do Jews have to come in to this?

Wroclaw:
Why is Friday the last day of the week ?

Why do Catholics eat fish on Friday?
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I would rather think that there is something wrong with American calendars because in Poland always Monday was the first day of the week.

Lets see the names of the Weekdays in Polish which are probably nearly a thousand years old:
Monday - poniedziałek from "po niedzieli" - "after Sunday'
Tuesday - wtorek from "wtóry" which meant "second"!
Wednesday - środa from "środek" - middle
Thursday - czwartek from "czwarty" - fourth!
Friday - piątek from "piąty" - fifth!
Saturday - sobota - it is now for me to guess the origin of that word, maby it is borrowed becouse it is somehow similar to Saturday or Samstag rather...
Sunday - niedziela - from "nie działać" - not to do sth...

Regards

Lukasz
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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The etymology of sobota is sabat (sabbath).
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Lukasz K:
I would rather think that there is something wrong with American calendars because in Poland always Monday was the first day of the week.

At every Catholic Sunday service in Poland they will tell you that Sunday is the first day of the week. But in the lay world it is, of course, Monday.
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Amathyst
Like I said, Jewish day of rest is Saturday, Catholic's seventh day is Sunday.
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if I was Jew the I would use Saturday as last day if I was catholic I would use Sunday
science I not neither what calendar should I use?
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Ziemowit:
At every Catholic Sunday service in Poland they will tell you that Sunday is the first day of the week. But in the lay world it is, of course, Monday.

So..... God rested on a Monday? Then why do the rest of us have to go out and work?
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the discrepancy is, again, which day is the seventh, day of prayer. Some religions believe it's saturday, some sunday.

Religion aside, in my opinion Monday should be the first day, since it's the first day of work-week, and saturday and sunday should be at the week-end.
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Lukasz K:
Wednesday - środa from "środek" - middle

Ok, if środa is middle and there are seven days in a week, do the math,
1 Sunday
2 Monday
3 Tuesday
4 Wednesday
5 Thursday
6 Friday
7 Saturday.

Sunday in Latin is Dies Solis ou Dominica[b][/b], or the day of the sun, being the most important star in our solar system, and referred by many religions as divinity, many languages before latin already used sunday as the first day of the week. Anyways,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday ,try this link...

Regards,

Rod
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Amathyst:
Do you spend half of your life thinking of stupid things to post?

Actually, I think his postings are innovative and perhaps a result of some internet research. Anything stupid would be just your comment.
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Rodrigo:
Ok, if środa is middle and there are seven days in a week, do the math,

środa isn't a good example, but wtorek, czwartek and piątek (second, fourth and fifth respectively) all point to Monday being the beginning of the week in Polish and no name points toward Sunday being the first day of the week.

Of course, there's no objective universal answer as to what day begins the week and in some languages (portuguese? vietnamese?) the numbering is different and indicates that Sunday is the first day of the week. But in Polish the numbering definitely indicates Monday as the beginning.
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mafketis:
środa isn't a good example, but wtorek, czwartek and piątek (second, fourth and fifth respectively) all point to Monday being the beginning of the week in Polish and no name points toward Sunday being the first day of the week.

I'm afraid you are wrong here. Środa is a perfect example of the thesis that Sunday is the first day of the week. Names of other days in Polish point to Sunday and not Monday, with Poniedziałek ("po niedzieli") as the day first day after Sunday; Wtorek as the second day after Sunday (not the second day of the week); czwartek as the fourth day after Sunday; and piątek as the fifth day after Sunday. I'd say it is a bit magalomaniacal to ignore the whole tradition of mankind in which, as the other poster pointed out, the Sun was at the centre of our ancestors' world. Putting Monday first is the invention of the modern business world who counts Money first and Nature second, so it's understandable that for practical reasons it prefers Monday as the first place on the agenda of a busy week.

The Christian world also refers to Sunday as the first day of the week. God rested on the seventh day of the week and this was of course Saturday (sabbath) [although, I think, God did not mind how we would call it]. Christian people of the first centuries after Christ decided, in commemoration of the ressurrecion of Jesus which happened on Sunday, to move the celebration of the Day of Rest from the seventh day of the week (Saturday) to the first day of it (Sunday).

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