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 Sep 18, 11, 17:19    #121
Very true! The key is not to point fingers but to move forward.

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 Sep 18, 11, 19:24    #122
Seanus hallucinated:
The key is not to point fingers but to move forward.


Not pointing fingers but moving forward is not something most human beings are good at. It's a nice idea but not so .... realistic.
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 Sep 18, 11, 19:43    #123
For sure :) I wouldn't disagree with that.
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 Sep 18, 11, 23:36    #124
I can ask them same about islam.

How many indigenous cultures were quite happily getting on with their lives before a load of jihadists led by mohammed the pedofile charged in and forced islam on them??


Indeed, but my point was that people already slag Islam while making out their own brand of colonial brainwashing is somehow better.
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 Sep 20, 11, 23:30    #125
Hello; Im from Turkey İstanbul and Im deist and my wife russian and ortadox,we have doughter and I dont care which religion she will choise ,I will be glad if she choise buddhism and Ive grown up not religious because west Turkey not religious at all its same like Albania and Bosnia maybe more not religious but I respect all religion. In istanbul many curch catolic,ortadox and jews synagogue I respect all because they make culture and country so colorful ,and as I know them all are good people,but I seen polish people so friendley,so helpfull and so hospitality ,I think catolic religion make them nice like this ,realy I respect them,I dont know other european but russian they are not so friendley and they are rude sorry for I say that but Ive seen and many people say like that.Polish people Ive seen 100 times maybe they are so nice and perfect.They created nice society,and I wait they will be raise and raise because they are so humanistic.
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Edited by: ShAlEyNsTfOh  Sep 20, 11, 23:33    #126
Christianity ruined alot of indigenous cultures too.

I truly wish Poles would go back to their pre-christian pagan roots.

I am, and have been a pagan/wiccan for over 6 years now.
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 Sep 21, 11, 01:06    #127
I truly wish Poles would go back to their pre-christian pagan roots.

and have a bath once a year ? I will pass that one

I am, and have been a pagan/wiccan for over 6 years now.

Good for you man do you rent the cabin in the woods from Ted Kaczynski?
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 Sep 21, 11, 02:00    #128
and have a bath once a year ? I will pass that one


Who the hell cares.... just think about the culture we had. THE CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!

the gods, the songs, the dances around the fires, argh... we had it all back then <3
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 Sep 21, 11, 09:37    #129
Who the hell cares.

mosquitoes ?


just think about the culture we had. THE CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!

Well, you don't know about the culture much do you? People then had been very clean back then, sauna was must !

the gods, the songs, the dances around the fires, argh.

you have it today too, invite few peeps bring some alcohol and there you dance to your soul content around fires, do not sing though,


you did not mention tribal rule and severe punishments for braking of a common law. No individualism , not personal freedom, you do as your elders tell you or else.
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 Sep 21, 11, 12:50    #130
Your question make me wonder just 1 thing- Why do people change religion! http://liveoncampus.com/wire/show/3053990
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 Sep 21, 11, 12:58    #131
Your question make me wonder just 1 thing- Why do people change religion!

I'd go further and ask why do people fall for any religion at all. While conversion from one to another is just a change of mind, it is still about accepting some imposed dogma and subscribing to a unified point of view for life with all it's rules.
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 Sep 21, 11, 13:13    #132
Guess we humans can never really let go our faith in God- be it any religion that we follow; guess the after-life or maybe the judgement day makes us reach out to God.
I strongly condemn people who keep on switching their belief's
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Edited by: Olaf  Sep 21, 11, 13:47    #133
after-life

- zombies? No thanks.
judgement day

- scary notions to push people to run into the arms of god/God - however represented by his large administration on Earth, never in person. Interesting.
The idea of after-life and judgement day, as well as the original sin are invented to scare and control, to train obedient people. And it works.

I strongly condemn people who keep on switching their belief's

But why? Mostly we do not choose it ourselves but most religions put extra care into obliging parents to help indoctrinate their children from age zero. Hence baptism in catholic Church etc. Nothing would happen if someone did it after they reach some age when they start reflect on their beliefs. However, by that time they are already indoctrinated by raising in a faith, so they know only what it tells them and fear/despise other views. That's how religions work - they narrow minds and divide. The more they get for themselves from that division, the more followers they get and so on.
So if someone was raised let's say catholic, then started thinking, and realized that they cannot find teachings of pope agreeable - then switching to a different creed e.g. to protestantism is that wrong? It is non-conformism in my opinion which is always good.

Comming back to original topic, the number of catholic followers will probably stay unthreatened by islam for long.
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Edited by: modafinil  Sep 21, 11, 14:42    #134
I once read a personally touching Muslim story, a dialogue between a mystic and God that might give an inkling as to the futility of conversion or any adherence to ritual. Roughly -

God: Shall I tell the people of your spiritual drunkeness [spiritual attainment/elevation] so ordinary people will shun you?

Mystic: Then, shall I tell the people of your infinite love and compassion so the people will no longer bow and worship you?

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 Sep 21, 11, 15:53    #135
And a great Polish philosopher and logic thinker, Tadeusz Kotarbinski once said that in the face of all the enormous evil in the world, it would be blasphemy to suspect the existence of God.
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 Sep 21, 11, 18:22    #136
Short answer to question: No.
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Edited by: Crow  Oct 7, 11, 16:18    #137
cultural multiculturalism by EU or collaboration with non-European ideology

Islam

i won`t give you link of the book because i don`t wish to take part in distribution of this material. Anyway, if you want to read more, you can found it on official EU websites. Book could be downloaded
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 Oct 7, 11, 23:04    #138
Polish Catholics would find ways to wipe out any such influences here. The mohair beret brigade represent the frontline.
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 Oct 8, 11, 00:36    #139
I highly doubt the book Crow has linked to will be very Islamophilic given the history of the top billed co-author. From the Center for American Progress: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/pdf/islamophobia.pdf
Walid Phares is currently a senior fellow and the director of the Future Terrorism Project at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington, D.C. Phares, age 53, also acts as an “expert” lecturer on “Islamist Jihadism” for the Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies. Phares is touted as an authentic expert on Muslims and political Islam despite being a former militiaman and foreign affairs spokesman for the mostly Christian Lebanese Front, which was responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacres of Muslims during the September 1982 Lebanese Civil War.
Phares promotes the conspiracy theory of mainstream Muslim organizations posing as radical Islamist cells. He warns that “jihadists within the West pose as civil rights advocates” and patiently recruit until “[a]lmost all mosques, educational centers,and socioeconomic institutions fall into their hands.” He was originally scheduled to testify at Rep. King’s criticized hearings on the alleged radicalization of the Muslim American community but was dropped at the last moment after his sordid history with the Lebanese Forces was uncovered.


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Edited by: Moderator  Oct 10, 11, 03:29    #140
MORE POLISH WILL DEFINITELY CONVERT WHEN THEY READ MORE LIKE THIS:

(more in link in my registered name)

JESUS PROPHECIES ISLAM / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him) AND TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK”-RELIGIONS (in Quran 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: ( Allah knows best )



(These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke 5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

Matthews 20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.

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 Oct 10, 11, 04:19    #141
(These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke 5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

Matthews 20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.


These calculations you have performed smack of US evangelical christianity. You won't convince Catholics by interpreting scripture insuch a manner. There's no code; just a 'gist' to be gotten.
A nice parable but it's main theme is that salvation has no correlation to effort, and redemption(grace) is imparted by God's will (if you hold to that terminology).
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 Oct 10, 11, 10:04    #142
guys islim is 'nt what you think about you 'v to read it to judge it .
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Edited by: FinnishMuslim  Oct 10, 11, 11:50    #143
These calculations you have performed smack of US evangelical christianity. You won't convince Catholics by interpreting scripture insuch a manner. There's no code; just a 'gist' to be gotten.

Christans interpretate Bible all the time. And how would Catholics be different than Protestants? You have different Bible?

A nice parable but it's main theme is that salvation has no correlation to effort, and redemption(grace) is imparted by God's will (if you hold to that terminology).

Matt. 20:1-16 parable is pretty too long to "I just wanted to say, all will be saved, no matter when these believers come/what they do"... You think Jesus just played funny word-games to confuse us? You think he tried to just show up, "look, I can say simple things with complicated riddles!"???

Then... There is Luke 13:6-9.... It could not be more clear prophecy about coming of Islam.... You need to watch link to source about that (too) quatation (too long here):

Luke 13:6-9 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years



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 Oct 10, 11, 12:28    #144
Luke 13:6-9 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years


no, you will find that the Christian stance is very clear.
if the Bible says that God created the world in seven days, this equates to 7 x 24 hours

whether one chooses to believe in creation or evolution is an entirely different matter of course
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 Oct 10, 11, 14:11    #145
Someone dismissed Islam for being a Non-European ideology. They probably think that Christianity is a European ideology and that Jesus was European…

You gotta love the ignorance!
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 Oct 10, 11, 15:16    #146
I did not speak anything about creation story of Bible, but about PARABLES OF JESUS that prophecy Islam!

Please just see


It´s too long to put here.

Btw I DO believe into "very old earth" and into evolution, and Noah´s flood in Qur´an were just local flood that affected people he was sent as a prophet... Guess he had some farm-animals in boat too...
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 Oct 11, 11, 00:07    #147
Don't believe the jihad banner ;) ;)


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