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Lyzko  Nov 22, 11, 14:01    #121
Both the Czechs as well as the Hungarians may indeed prefer English to German (or certainly Russian, for obvious historical reasons, Prague Spring, for example), yet like the Poles, both groups seem to have much more linguistic and cultural affinity to German than to English, which many may speak, but not that well-:)

Just my impression, that's all LOL

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 Nov 23, 11, 09:31    #122
pawelg325:
I would have to say that there is a pretty good relationship between Poles and Czechs.

In fact, in my family we always speak of how beautiful Prague is, and how the Czechs have a cool, laid back nature, and their language is strangely funny to us, as we can understand bits and pieces.

Additionally, they are quite similar to us in culture, and really are our Slavic sisters/brothers.


LOL! Czechs are Europes most agnostic nation, while Poles are Europes most religious nation.
And I suppose Czechs have pretty good relations with every nation of the world, since most people will agree that Prague is very beautiful.
:D
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 Nov 23, 11, 10:13    #123
Palivec:
while Poles are Europes most religious nation.

Are they ? Well, Europe is ****** then !

Palivec:
And I suppose Czechs have pretty good relations with every nation of the world,

Really? What about Germany?
Palivec:
since most people will agree that Prague is very beautiful.

Yeah and there is nothing more than that :)
Peter Cracow  Nov 24, 11, 02:08    #124
Asymetric Pl/Cz feelings have a few reasons:
1. Czechs were not considered as a danger for Poland but Poland for Czechs was.
It is a mistake. I. e. during attack in 1918 Czechs took Cieszyn and Skoczow (or close areas) and wanted to move toward Bielsko-Biala. International diplomatic - not military - action saved these territories for Poland. Poland could not protect it's territory against 5x smaller country.
2. Czechoslovakia before WW2 was one of the most developed, democratic European country (Swiss were just poor higlanders that time) while Poland was reunited from 3 parts bankrupted state with primitive agriculture, almost vanished industry and miserable elite. Czechoslovakia impressed Poles but not vice versa.
3. Funny and child-like Czech language with these all words which songs in Polish ears like lisping or first swearing of 5 years old baby or so. Most Poles listening Czech can not avoid smile. It causes psychological bechavioral effect. Reaction is followed by feelings. In contrary, Polish is regarded as a rude language by Czechs.
4. Ignorance about Polish/Czchoslovakian war in 1918 of former Cieszyn duchy area. Even Polish president (Kaczynski) seemed to be not informed properly or made this episode a scapegoat of his policy. Shortly: Populated by 60% Poles and 5% Czechs territory was taken by Czech and was to be retrieved by agreement (broken by German attack) to protect local Poles. At last Poland overtaked Germay but is regarded as aggressor - even by Poles.
5. Population movements after WW2. Relative rich resident citizen German-style Czech society faced on the other side of the border people brought to the western Polish territories in a cattle cars from far, far "wild east". They took post-German houses, farms and industry but cultural differences were enormous. Even today crossing border in that areal is interesting experience.
6. Pl/Cz war of Klodzka Valley. Austro-Hungarian Empire (in the name of Czechs) lost Klodzka Valley. Germany (in the name of their future "conquerors" - Poles) won Klodzka Valley. Czechs really don't beside theirself with fury. After WW2 even a few bullets were pushed on the other side of the border (with a nice response). Fortunately it was finished without corpses.
7. Complexes and feeling of superiority/inferiority and lost of importance of the small country with ambitions. Czechs lost their positions during last 70 years tremendously. Unexpectedly Poles achieved much better position then before WW2. Transferred toward west geographically and mentally, having relatively big political and economic power Poland is harder competitor.
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Nov 25, 11, 10:54    #125
Interesting perspective
Peter Cracow:
Asymetric Pl/Cz feelings have a few reasons:
1. Czechs were not considered as a danger for Poland but Poland for Czechs was.
It is a mistake. I. e. during attack in 1918 Czechs took Cieszyn and Skoczow (or close areas) and wanted to move toward Bielsko-Biala. International diplomatic - not military - action saved these territories for Poland. Poland could not protect it's territory against 5x smaller country.

It's true the Poles did not consider the Czechs as a danger, but they were careful not to turn their back on the Czechs because of the strong sympathy of the Czechs for Bolshevism at the time. In any eventual future conflict the Czechs were likely to side with the Russians or take advantage of any future engagement the Poles might have with Russia, as happened in the Zalozie incident.

2. Czechoslovakia before WW2 was one of the most developed, democratic European country (Swiss were just poor higlanders that time) while Poland was reunited from 3 parts bankrupted state with primitive agriculture, almost vanished industry and miserable elite. Czechoslovakia impressed Poles but not vice versa. Unlike the Czechs the Poles actually had their own elite, who were not Germanized(as was the case with the Czechs) or Russified. The state of the country after the war was a reflection of the fact the the Russians and Germans to a large extant fought their conflicts on Polish soil. I don't recall the Czechs ever impressing the Poles, they did have Polish sympathy as a country that was denied its independence for close to 500 years.

3. Funny and child-like Czech language with these all words which songs in Polish ears like lisping or first swearing of 5 years old baby or so. Most Poles listening Czech can not avoid smile. It causes psychological bechavioral effect. Reaction is followed by feelings. In contrary, Polish is regarded as a rude language by Czechs. I agree

4. Ignorance about Polish/Czchoslovakian war in 1918 of former Cieszyn duchy area. Even Polish president (Kaczynski) seemed to be not informed properly or made this episode a scapegoat of his policy. Shortly: Populated by 60% Poles and 5% Czechs territory was taken by Czech and was to be retrieved by agreement (broken by German attack) to protect local Poles. At last Poland overtaked Germay but is regarded as aggressor - even by Poles. I agree
5. Population movements after WW2. Relative rich resident citizen German-style Czech society faced on the other side of the border people brought to the western Polish territories in a cattle cars from far, far "wild east". They took post-German houses, farms and industry but cultural differences were enormous. Even today crossing border in that areal is interesting experience. I am not so sure about that
6. Pl/Cz war of Klodzka Valley. Austro-Hungarian Empire (in the name of Czechs) lost Klodzka Valley. Germany (in the name of their future "conquerors" - Poles) won Klodzka Valley. Czechs really don't beside theirself with fury. After WW2 even a few bullets were pushed on the other side of the border (with a nice response). Fortunately it was finished without corpses. I don't have much information about that

7. Complexes and feeling of superiority/inferiority and lost of importance of the small country with ambitions. Czechs lost their positions during last 70 years tremendously. Unexpectedly Poles achieved much better position then before WW2. Transferred toward west geographically and mentally, having relatively big political and economic power Poland is harder competitor.
not necessarily. Today Poland is 20% smaller than before the war. However on the plus side it does have a more cohesive population.
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 Feb 2, 12, 03:52    #126
Teffle:
Poor, religious and miserable - his words, not mine.


This is the result when one tries to live Roman Catholic ideal.
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 Feb 2, 12, 10:39    #127
hague1cmaeron:
Shortly: Populated by 60% Poles and 5% Czechs territory was taken by Czech and was to be retrieved by agreement (broken by German attack) to protect local Poles. At last Poland overtaked Germay but is regarded as aggressor - even by Poles. I agree

I would love to see a source which supports the claim that Czech accounted for only 5% of the population of the Czech territory seized by Poland during the Nazi-Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia. Sadly, however, I fear that I shall be waiting for a considerable amount of time for such a source.


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