POLISH IDENTITY-shift from communism to democracy

mrpainte	Nov 3, 10, 17:25 #1
Writing a research paper on Polish identity and how it has changed with the shift from communism to democracy. Does anyone have any input? Thanks so much for your help Monica

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 3, 10, 17:35 #2
mrpainte: Polish identity and how it has changed with the shift from communism to democracy. there is plenty of information about this contained in other threads.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 3, 10, 17:41 #3
You will have to wait a little because our experts on Poland and anything Polish, including "Polish Identity," Harry and Delphi that is, are taking a break now.

businessmaninplThreads: 10 Posts: 30 Joined: Aug 17, 10 ♂	Edited by: businessmaninpl Nov 3, 10, 18:04 #4
1jola: You will have to wait a little because our experts on Poland and anything Polish, including "Polish Identity," Harry and Delphi that is, are taking a break now. I think you missed a word. Experts on hatred of Poland.

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Nov 3, 10, 19:16 #5

1jola:

You will have to wait a little because our experts on Poland and anything Polish, including "Polish Identity," Harry and Delphi that is, are taking a break now.

Yes, unlike Plastic Poles, we actually live here.

Anyway, don't you have anything valuable to contribute? No wait, you find it impossible to not tell lies ;)

mrpainte:

Writing a research paper on Polish identity and how it has changed with the shift from communism to democracy.

It's worth noting that it doesn't appear to have changed very much. Many of the things present in PRL times still exist to this day - such as the presence of the Eagle everywhere.

About the only major change that I know for certain is that Poles are more and more "European" by the day.

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Nov 3, 10, 20:14 #6

delphiandomine:

Anyway, don't you have anything valuable to contribute?

I would if I understood the question. But you've been here a couple of years so you go ahead. You're doing good, don't hold back. I want to learn something.

delphiandomine:

It's worth noting that it doesn't appear to have changed very much. Many of the things present in PRL times still exist to this day - such as the presence of the Eagle everywhere.

Perhaps you don't understand the question either.

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Edited by: SeanBM Nov 3, 10, 20:21 #7

Hello mrpainte,

And welcome to the mad house we call Polish Forums:)

You can use the search box in the top right hand corner of the page to type key words to find out more about what you are looking for.

One of the best threads on here and on the topic you are interested in is here :
Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2

Good luck!

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delphiandomine:

the presence of the Eagle everywhere.

But with the addition these days of the pre-commie crown.

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Edited by: Bolle Nov 3, 10, 23:24 #8

delphiandomine:

Yes, unlike Plastic Poles, we actually live here.

Anyway, don't you have anything valuable to contribute? No wait, you find it impossible to not tell lies ;)

Educate us Pole-hating-grumpy-limey on how polish identity changed from commie times to democracy.

After all, you were present in Poland during the commie era so making a comparison between now and then shouldn't be a problem for you. Same goes for your partner in crime, harry.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 3, 10, 23:58 #9
At least we didn't run away like those Polack cowards ;)

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,389 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 00:13 #10
delphiandomine: About the only major change that I know for certain is that Poles are more and more "European" by the day. There is most certainly, a dividing line by age, those under 35 are very materialistic and do class themselves as part of the family of Europe. The over 35's experienced growing up in the socialist times, they are more nationalistic and do not trust anything or anyone.

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 00:26 #11
warszawski: There is most certainly, a dividing line by age, those under 35 are very materialistic and do class themselves as part of the family of Europe. The over 35's experienced growing up in the socialist times, they are more nationalistic and do not trust anything or anyone. In a nutshell. n.b Swap, Europe for Essex.

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Nov 4, 10, 00:49 #12

warszawski:

There is most certainly, a dividing line by age, those under 35 are very materialistic and do class themselves as part of the family of Europe. The over 35's experienced growing up in the socialist times, they are more nationalistic and do not trust anything or anyone.

I'd actually be inclined to divide it by education rather than age - the recent election shows this beautifully. The educated ones have embraced Europe, but the uneducated ones are suspicious to the point of paranoia about the EU.

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 00:55 #13
delphiandomine: The educated ones have embraced Europe And most of them have gone to the UK and Ireland.... leaving a paranoid uneducated majority..bummer dude! The PO are in power because that is what suits Europe and the USA. International Politicians don't give a monkeys about Polska as long as it stay between Russia and Europe.

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Nov 4, 10, 00:58 #14

Maybe:

And most of them have gone to the UK and Ireland.... leaving a paranoid uneducated majority..bummer dude!

Actually, plenty of them are staying these days. Polish employers are making it very clear that washing dishes in the UK doesn't work for them - and new graduates are smart enough to realise that they need to stay in order to build a career.

The "educated" ones leaving are the unemployable ones who got poor grades at university studying something plastic, like sociology.

Maybe:

The PO are in power because that is what suits Europe and the USA.

What?

They're in power because people elected them. Nothing to do with Europe and the USA.

After all, if Europe was in control, why didn't PiS (along with LPR and Samobroona) pull Poland out from the EU?

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 01:08 #15
delphiandomine: They're in power because people elected them. Come come don't be so naive. The People (us) our votes are irrelevant. Democracy or rather the illusion of it is the best form of dictatorship, because people believe their voice count. It is not until the masses revolt violently that change is effected.This only happens when they understand their voice is being ignored.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 4, 10, 01:11 #16
Maybe: The People (us) our votes are irrelevant. Democracy or rather the illusion of it is the best form of dictatorship, because people believe their voice count. Really? Are you suggesting that both PO and PiS are being controlled from elsewhere? Man, I've heard some stupid things, but the suggestion of Tusk and Kaczynski being on the same side is...well...

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 01:17 #17
delphiandomine: but the suggestion of Tusk and Kaczynski being on the same side is...well... They aren't on the same side, but then again they are not in charge, it is called Divide and Rule, old bean.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 4, 10, 01:25 #18
Maybe: They aren't on the same side, but then again they are not in charge, it is called Divide and Rule, old bean. So who is controlling Poland? Last time I checked, it was a mere formality for Poland to simply repeal the act of parliament which allowed them to join NATO and the EU.

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Nov 4, 10, 01:28 #19

delphiandomine:

it was a mere formality for Poland to simply repeal the act of parliament which allowed them to join NATO and the EU.

A formality perhaps but the would have to find the paper work and that could take months.

delphiandomine:

So who is controlling Poland?

...the markets like everywhere else, governments control populations, markets govern governments. And Politicians hold on by the seat of there pants...

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 02:26 #20
"their pants"...sorry..skool bouy eror

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Nov 4, 10, 05:57 #21

Maybe:

The People (us) our votes are irrelevant. Democracy or rather the illusion of it is the best form of dictatorship, because people believe their voice count.

It is not until the masses revolt violently that change is effected.This only happens when they understand their voice is being ignored.

This thinking is a good example why Poland has been dominated by it's neighbors for the past two hundred years.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,389 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 20:40 #22
Maybe: International Politicians don't give a monkeys about Polska as long as it stay between Russia and Europe. Everyone is looking for someone to sell their products and services too. When they stop buying and become a Problem like Greece, at that point they do not give a hoot.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 4, 10, 21:04 #23
delphiandomine: The "educated" ones leaving are the unemployable ones who got poor grades at university studying something plastic, like sociology. Interesting to finally find out why you left Scotland. Your special skill of speaking English just wasn't that marketable there. I understand.

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