Polish Oraganisational Skills

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Mar 2, 09, 00:06 #61

Grzegorz_:

Maybe first you give us some examples of good british planning and preperation

The last company I worked for in England was pretty good at planning, especially in new IT systems. They knew exactly what was to be done and when. Testing took place, equipment was installed on time and training commenced exactly to plan.

Then the British armed forces, OK, they have a few hiccups like my cousin arrived in one war theatre a few weeks before his weapon... but hey, c'mon they can plan the hell out of a parade.. and that's what counts, right? :)

Generally, I found in the UK, unless government money was being spent, people were generally better at thinking ahead in many aspects of life. With the brass band I played in, everybody knew exactly when we were playing, where we had to be and when. And we always knew who was responsible for colelcting equipment, organising stores, music, transport... everything went according to a plan, even if it was only verbal, we all knew what was expected.

Matyjasz, you mention public transport. I've only had the pleasure, once or twice, but despite it not being particularly clean, I understand it's pretty reliable... in stark contrast to the UK 'infrastructure', using that term very loosley loosely... oh bugger, it's after midnight, my keyboard can't spell.

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Mar 2, 09, 02:10 #62

MrBubbles:

You have a point there. Poland is the beating heart of cosmopolitan Europe and thus full of Muslims

tonykenny:

. There are not many muslims in Poland so the chances are quite slim
2. The buge black moustache often gives it away.

wow and you two are on the same side.. lol

tonykenny:

Now, please, do feel free to give examples of good Polish planning and preperation.

give us examples of them not.. what happened that caused this whole senario
and thread to be the most important question of your life TONY.. may I call you
Tony or is it kenny?

cause you have me confused so much I feel unoraganized and cant make up my
mind which name to call you.. lol...

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Mar 2, 09, 07:32 #63

Patrycja19:

wow and you two are on the same side.. lol

Irony dear... something that never made it to America

Patrycja19:

give us examples of them not.. what happened that caused this whole senario
and thread to be the most important question of your life TONY.. may I call you
Tony or is it kenny?

Who said this was the most important question of my life? This is just a discussion on a forum which takes up a tiny fraction of my attention some days. As for why this question came about, it's because I've met many example of where many (not all) of the Polish people I have encountered appear to be totally incapable of any sort of planning, preparation or organisation. I was wondering if I had just been unlucky or if this was the 'norm'. Unfortunately, some people here seems to have had similar experiences.

Patrycja19:

cause you have me confused so much I feel unoraganized?

Alas, the first part is your american blood, the later, the Polish :)
C'mon, now i'm just poking a little fun.. smile!

Tony it is. Kenny as a surname is my Irish blood

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Mar 2, 09, 08:49 #64
Patrycja19: give us examples of them Do you work for a Polish employer? Get your own examples. In the meantime, think to yourself why so many individual foreigners believe that Poland is so disorganised.

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Mar 3, 09, 02:57 #65

tonykenny:

Irony dear... something that never made it to America

oh yes, Irony did make it to America, its called S-A-R-C-A-S-M. another name for
Irony... :D

would u like me to go over that again with you one more time ;)

tonykenny:

it's because I've met many example of where many (not all)

finally the truth comes out.. Many Not all.. good observation.. I didnt think the
whole nation was that messed up.

tonykenny:

I've met many example of where many (not all) of the Polish people I have encountered appear to be totally incapable of any sort of planning, preparation or organisation.

so as with any job, some are qualified and some arent.

tonykenny:

Who said this was the most important question of my life?

again it was sarcasm or irony.. ive mastered this because I dont posess organisational
skills so you wont see me in a office near you cleaning off the desk or placing papers
in alphabetical order :) LOL

tonykenny:

I was wondering if I had just been unlucky or if this was the 'norm'.

it cant be the norm if you only met some.. you answered your own question
bickering with me :)

tonykenny:

Alas, the first part is your american blood, the later, the Polish :)
C'mon, now i'm just poking a little fun.. smile!

I am too.. so Tony tell me why your mom named you twice :)~

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Mar 3, 09, 08:18 #66

Patrycja19:

finally the truth comes out..

The truth was out from the start check my first post where i said "I say 'as a general rule' because I have met some that are good planners and organisers." Would you like me to go over that again for you? :)

Patrucja19:

it cant be the norm if you only met some.. you answered your own question
bickering with me :)

However, it turned out that this is the norm...

hehe named me twice... never mind that... ask why the hell I die in every episode! :)

Dammit, is this the end of the arguement? I was just getting used to having something exciting to read in the mornings :)

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♂	Mar 3, 09, 14:14 #67
today on visit to Polish post office the number system for queuing was broken, undisciplined disorganized Polish did not know how to organize selves properly into properly oiled machine, mayhem was result. Poland people must learn how to organize into well instructed shock troops or doom will be end result

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08 ♂	Mar 3, 09, 14:20 #68
Juche: number system for queuing was broken wow! I am amazed they even have them. The only place I have ever seen one in action in Poland was at Ikea in Kraków, very surprised to see the post office has got them. So it looks like progress is slowly being made...!

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Edited by: Patrycja19 Mar 4, 09, 05:54 #69

tonykenny:

The truth was out from the start check my first post where i said "I say 'as a general rule' because I have met some that are good planners and organisers." Would you like me to go over that again for you? :)

yes I would, I think you should as a good planner and organiser , it should be you leading
the examples dont you think?

tonykenny:

However, it turned out that this is the norm...

only for some again, right mr tonykenny

tonykenny:

Dammit, is this the end of the arguement? I was just getting used to having something exciting to read in the mornings :)

we can argue some more, I think its good to bicker.
Just dont count on winning all of them.. ;)

tonykennyThreads: 21 Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 4, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 09, 07:33 #70
Patrycja19: Just dont count on winning all of them.. ;) :) That's fine, provided you dont mind too much if I learn from those that I lose :) You've still not given us any examples of good polish organisation.... I have further examples of poor organisation if I must... and you really must stay up later at night, this is torture waiting all day and night for your answers :) ;)

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Mar 4, 09, 19:00 #71

tonykenny:

You've still not given us any examples of good polish organisation.... I have further examples of poor organisation if I must...

that was supposed to be Mr Bubbles job... alas he failed to prove anything and
retorted find them yourself !!

MrBubbles:

Do you work for a Polish employer? Get your own examples. In the meantime, think to yourself why so many individual foreigners believe that Poland is so disorganised.

tonykenny:

I have further examples of poor organisation if I must...

u havent provided any, your just bickering :)

tonykenny:

and you really must stay up later at night, this is torture waiting all day and night for your answers :)

;)

Tony, I stayed up really late last night, and today am paying for it.. Im still too tired
to be organised , my tea cup was on the wrong side of the counter.. the mail was
Placed into the mailbox backwards.. whats this world coming too?

;)

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Mar 5, 09, 07:59 #72

http://www.ecotourism.org.pl/

wow , an organised trip by polish people :)

But now, for the first time, business interests are getting together to help each other survive the recession.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/3872/Polish-chamber-seeks-links-with.4971 142.jp

OMG polish people are working with Irish people and its organised??? and they are
helping each other during this rough/tough recession by working together?

why how can this be?? this is preposterous?

There is more, but I dont have much time to post all those links , i wouldnt get
any sleep :)

anyway.. my show is over.. I must go to sleep.. I do hope you will see that
truth can be told.. and Polish people can organise things.. sometimes projects
will be put on hold, alot of them are on hold here in the states due to the recession
but of course, afterwards / hopefully these projects will resume and not become
eyesores to the communities..

as for your luck tonykenny... maybe you just werent wearing your lucky green jacket
that day :)~

tonykennyThreads: 21 Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 4, 08 ♂	Mar 5, 09, 07:59 #73
The mail in the box backwards? Now that is drastic and certainly an issue of national security :) Dammit, I'm too tired today to come up with anything witty.... (don't know what my excuse is on other days) Hope you get organised soon... fight off the Polish side :)

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Mar 6, 09, 06:49 #74

tonykenny:

The mail in the box backwards? Now that is drastic and certainly an issue of national security :)

well, maybe you can switch your job description and come over here and show emm
how to do it ;)

the security part that is.. lol

tonykenny:

Dammit, I'm too tired today to come up with anything witty...

thats ok, I will keep it going... I like to bicker back.. tonight Im carrying on
the tradition..

[quote=tonykenny]
(don't know what my excuse is on other days)

you dont have a excuse

ok, well, I think you made your point, and I did mine, which was just to not
say all polish are unorganised. and you did, your admission is duly noted.. and
I must say I think highly of you for coming forth and being strait and upfront on
your judgement of polish people.

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Mar 9, 09, 08:43 #75

I spoke to a Polish businessman about this last night and explained that, in my opinion, Polish people appeared to be very disorganised, especially in business. I was expecting some defence about not tarring everyone with the same brush, but, what I got was an interesting analysis.

Firstly, he said, "Sadly, I think you're right". He went on to explain that Poland switch from communism to capitalism overnight and that there was no period of rehabilitation or retraining for the new way of life. In communism, he explained, it didn't matter what decisions a manager made in an organisation, everybody got their money anyway, so they could do as they pleased.
Shortly after communism, it didn't matter what decisions were made because whatever happened they were going to make little or no money.

So, either way, decisions simple didn't have any significant impact on success or failure. This was the way of life and it's not changed. Thankfully, I've met many students studying 'management' so I hope that the upcoming generations kick Poland into the 21st century and get organising...

Incidentally, I'm supposed to be a project manager... but my every attempt to keep a project 'managed' and plan ahead is simply blocked by the company president. Every decision must be approved, every email checked... if I think more than one week ahead - that is simply blocked... even a day ahead is often too much... !

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 22:05 #76
They can study Management, sure, but it is certain ingrained attitudes that need to be changed. Wow, sb picks up sth from a book, so what?

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Feb 25, 10, 22:10 #77

Seanus:

They can study Management, sure, but it is certain ingrained attitudes that need to be changed.

The problem is the management courses are mostly absolutely rubbish in State universities too - the content is often woefully out of touch with the demands of modern business, containing all sorts of useless modules. Thankfully, the private universities do a much better job of course content.

As for the attitudes - I think at least part of it has to be blamed on the foreign owners. Look at Tesco and how dire they are for customer service in Poland - sure, the staff have to shoulder some of the blame, but why isn't Tesco instilling British standards into the store?

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Feb 25, 10, 22:54 #78

Yeah, I went to one of the Tesco's in Edinburgh for a month to get some food during my intensive CELTA course. It had a much better selection that here. I regularly enjoyed scrambled eggs with mayo in a container and other delightful products. There was service with a smile and helpful aisle attendants. Simply put, the culture is different here and more randomised. Some of the staff are nice and they reciprocate when smiled at but they are very much the exception to the rule here.

hague1cameronThreads: - Posts: 98 Joined: Feb 8, 10 ♂	Feb 26, 10, 07:38 #79
szarlotka: Change in management practices will only come from the top or from an influx of foreign or returning Polish managers. It's a question of how long that will take to permeate through I guess. There were definite signs of improvement in my time there. Maybe the governmrnt should send all CEOs to Harvard for a year:) Yes and get a degree in how not to run an economy.

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