Are Polish people so chaotic and disorganized like Germans say?

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Oct 8, 11, 21:13 #61

Never belive anything a German said, they hate the Polish, and will forever.

nice generalization. i feel personally offended by that. its not ok, but i'll live with it. no pro ;)

who care what germans say.

actually quite a lot of people, when it comes to politics. on personal level i agree with u.

Poles are great even the deluded

They are honest in their lack of emotions. They like only Germans.

true, thats why many of the idiotic part of germania would like to get the showers back or at least the pre-installations ;)

Germans were very organised with their elbows in Fuerteventura. Amongst the rudest old sods I had ever seen. No character and no class!

i agree, that maybe german oldies are special nasty group, but i suspect its more an age than a country issue

Lyzko	Oct 11, 11, 14:28 #62
Stereotypes abound. Not advisable either to judge a people by their politics, considering for example the English are basically honest by nature-:) Curious too as to from where this image of Poles as a disorganized nation originated. Surely not from the Poles themselveslol

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Oct 11, 11, 14:57 #63

YES, the germans are right

Poland has the worse bureaucracy I have ever experienced. The bureaucrats are that kind of people who enjoy (and they really do) to make other people's life miserable. A simple bureaucratic procedure can take AGES. This creates a lot of frustration among the normal people who deal with the inefficient polish bureaucracy. I want to add, that that bureaucracy stops poland to develop in many ways. Instead of making something productive, a huge part of your work and effort goes into useless and bad organized bureaucracy. In many cases when international companies deal with this patetic bureaucracy they better get out of the country and take their investments with them.

The polish road system is under-under-developed. They have been building highways recently ONLY because the EU is funding. Otherwise, there won't be highways. The polish highways are the only ones in the world which need reparation before they are opend to the public. This is because the construction workers, steal some of the asfalt they use and sell it to get some money out of it. In the long term those highways are much more expensive. For instance, in the highway from katowice to krakow , (which is always under reparation) there are 2 places where you need to pay highway fee. This is 8 zl in each. Which means that a trip from katowice to krakow and back makes 32 zl ONLY in highway only for 60 km. This is the most expensive highway in europe. If we look to the other countries in which they have a vignette, and a developed highway system, it is by far much more cheaper to use the highways. The inefficency in polish administration does not take into account the salaries that need to be paid to those useless people working, charging the highways fees PLUS the lost-time of stoping in queue for paying. In winter, it can take you half an hour time just to wait in queue until you are able to pay. This example shows that apparently common sense does not exist among polish administration.

The germans also have a stereotype of the poles of stealing, damaging cars for no reason. FULLY TRUTH. From my experience, they scratch your car just for fun and jump on it. I should had heard the germans.

There are many other examples that show poland to be a mess. The more I know the poles, the more I am convinced that this country will never develop due to their mentality of f*cking each other. Until that mentality does not chage (which could take 2 generations at least) Poland will never prosper.

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Oct 11, 11, 15:10 #64

Conveying one side of things but quite accurate nonetheless. As I said in another thread, many Poles are fed up of one another and it shows in bureaucratic establishments. They treat one another with contempt. I can't go into the tax office without laughing at how serious some people are.

However, that doesn't speak to the degree of organisation that can be found. They seem to know their jobs well and I've had positive experiences. They expedited my wedding when not duty bound to do so. You can't blame those that are merely following protocol, roca. There are too many layers sometimes, yes, but they are contracted to do things in a certain way. Besides, it's hard to break out of the mould and be yourself in such a place. There is a certain atmosphere there and it's hard to get away from that.

Chaotic implies 'monkey mind' to me. The Poles tend to be pretty calm as clerks in administrative centres. They are not scatty and tend to be meticulous, overly so sometimes. However, they can be snappy but hey, we are only human, right?

a.k.	Oct 11, 11, 16:44 #65
Surely not from the Poles themselveslol What do you mean? The more I know the poles, the more I am convinced that this country will never develop Wow, that was tough. I just wonder what Latin America country do you come from?

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Oct 11, 11, 16:54 #66
Never belive anything a German said, they hate the Polish, and will forever. Ever met one? Ever been to Germany? Europe? Outside of the USofA?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 11, 11, 16:55 #67
Germans should refuse germanization, return to their original ethnicity and become Serbians again.

Lyzko	Oct 11, 11, 17:05 #68
A.K., I simply meant that it's unlikely the Poles would paint such an unflattering portrait of their felllow countrymen.

a.k.	Oct 11, 11, 17:16 #69
A.K., I simply meant that it's unlikely the Poles would paint such an unflattering portrait of their felllow countrymen. Oh yes it is. Check the first page. I've already said it's a common inner stereotype among Poles. Look, I'm a Pole and I say it. Also look at the comment by Wroclaw 666 on page 2. Why so you think that Poles can't be self-critical?

Lyzko	Oct 11, 11, 17:25 #70
Who enjoys being criticized? Everybody's bound to get defensive, especially when the criticism comes in the form of benighted snobbery from outsiders.

a.k.	Oct 11, 11, 17:34 #71
Polish people are very critical to each other.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 11, 11, 17:39 #72
Everything would be alright if just greedy Romans didn`t create province under the name of Germania, on a Sarmatian ground

Lyzko

Oct 11, 11, 17:58 #73

Noone's denying that, a.k., only that most who critical of "foreigners" tend to be foreigners themselves, at least in my experience.
Who's written most convincingly on anti-semitism, for instance? Jews or gentiles? Until recently, gentiles avoided the subject like the plague.
Up til now, for most Geman non-Jews, the Hitler period's still a gaping black hole. Typically, only Jews touch it, and mostly foreign-born ones at that.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 11, 11, 18:07 #74
They have been building highways recently ONLY because the EU is funding. Actually, most motorways now are being built with private money, not public money. For instance, the A2 from Sweicko to Konin (except the Poznan bypass) has been totally built with private capital. The A1 - same.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Oct 11, 11, 18:11 #75
Sascha: ... who care what germans say ... actually quite a lot of people, when it comes to politics. on personal level i agree with u. On a personal level: you are German. Do I have to care what you say? :)

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,862 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Oct 11, 11, 19:30 #76
On a personal level: you are German. Do I have to care what you say? :) of course not. :) since this is a forum i care what people say, 'cause its about the communication and exchange of information and views that maybe make a difference ;)

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Oct 14, 11, 22:17 #77
roca: The bureaucrats are that kind of people who enjoy (and they really do) to make other people's life miserable. This is the same behavior I observe here amongst strangers both pedestrian and motorists- POLES GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET INTO ONE ANOTHER'S WAY, as long as they're strangers that is.

magpieThreads: 7 Posts: 171 Joined: Mar 10, 09 ♂	Oct 14, 11, 22:52 #78
Apparently the bureaucrats are really helpful.It says so here: http://www.opole.uw.gov.pl/1angielski/index.php In the spirit of service for the country and drawing upon the finest traditions of reliable and friendly administration, we are a modern public institution which caters for the needs of residents of the Opolskie Province. Apparently.

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