POLISH YOUTH compared to the youth in other Western countries?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 10:44 #31
SzwedwPolsce: More and more Polish men prefer medium/longer hair. I remember the times when you saw only the military short cut hair in the countries eastern of Oder.And women tend to resort to longer and longer hair.While in the past quite a few prefered the short hair attenuating the slavic face look.

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Jul 15, 10, 11:24 #32

Sasha:

What language are we a Polish lady and a Russian speaking right now?

and a Russian???
I speak here english because its english forum.

Sasha:

What movies have you seen lately? Name them honestly... :)

Zerkalo dir.Tarkovsky

Sasha:

You know what coke is, don't you? Do you think an average American knows what Zubrowka or Russian Kvas is? I don't think so...

Hate coke and dont drink it at all. Actually we in Poland dont know name "coke" we know Coca Cola, Pepsi, or Cola in general if we dont mean brand (u have PoloCocta - a polish brand). If u say coke ppl will think u talk about coccaine.
They dont know what is Zurbowka but they know what is Sobieski (Bruce Willis is advertising it recently). In the other hand they know russian Smirnoff much better. Recently I discovered that lots of "western-europeans" know Tyskie. So its not so bad as u think.

Idę na odwyk od godz. 12 ;)

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Jul 15, 10, 12:16 #33

zetigrek:

and a Russian???

Yes, I'm Russian. :)

zetigrek:

I speak here english because its english forum.

Do you meet many let's say English people on forums for Poles? Do they always speak Polish (other than that they have a business in your country or soulmate)?

zetigrek:

Zerkalo dir.Tarkovsky

Well... you're perhaps a pleasant exception. I don't want to speak for Poland but in Russia roughly 95% of all movies shown are from the US. That's a willy-nilly westernization.

zetigrek:

If u say coke ppl will think u talk about coccaine.

Sorry for confusion... :) people in the US usually say "coke", I don't remember anybody saying it coca-cola. I meant "coca-cola".

zetigrek:

They dont know what is Zurbowka but they know what is Sobieski (Bruce Willis is advertising it recently). In the other hand they know russian Smirnoff much better.

Agreed. That was probably not the best example since we're still on leading position in its production. However when it comes to many different goods it's true to say that Slavs are a way more acquainted with Western World than the other way round.

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Jul 15, 10, 12:47 #34

Sasha:

Yes, I'm Russian. :)

Nice to meet you :)

Sasha:

Do you meet many let's say English people on forums for Poles?

It not forum for Poles. Most of its users are ppl from english speaking countries. There is only about 20 Poles here. We've already counted.

Sasha:

people in the US usually say "coke", I don't remember anybody saying it coca-cola.

But in Poland ppl mainly say Cola ;)

Sasha:

However when it comes to many different goods it's true to say that Slavs are a way more acquainted with Western World than the other way round.

It reminds me the case with polish chain-shop "Smyk" with clothes for kids. They are also popular in Germany but under german name. I read an article about that German dont like to know that some products are polish products, and they were pretty shocked to get know that ist actually polish brand. ;)

A question for u. Do u have in Russia such clothes stores like:
Reserved
House
Cropp
Monnari
Top Secret
Diverse
Tatuum
Pretty Girl
Troll ?

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Jul 15, 10, 12:53 #35

rychlik:

How would you compare Polish youth these days to say youth in other western EU states and even N. America?

The only thing that I can remember right now is how people look, especially the guys. I went to a football match in Bialystok a couple of months ago, and I wish I never put gel in my hair. I stood out like a pig in a hen house. I've never seen so many shaven heads/short cut hair at one time since my time in the army. Thank god I wore my adidas track suit. If you go to any western football game you will see guys with short/medium/long/mohawks whatever.

The girls dress differently as well. The girls all dressed up nice in white pants, long hair (many coloured their hair, much more so than here in Norway), more focus on makeup. Here in Norway girls usually just have a casual style...it seems they just put on whatever was available when they went out. Makeup only on saturdays. But this was also the impression I got from Lithuania, Latvia and other eastern states. I would see many more girls/women in tight pants, nice jackets and high heels than here in Oslo. My norwegian friends all agree. I would often see a girl all made up, looking like getting ready for the disco, on a wednesday at 12 in the daytime and the guy just looked like a thug. Sorry to say it, but that was my first impression. I couldn't have picked out those guys in a lineup if my life depended on it.

Dariusz

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Jul 15, 10, 12:56 #36

I talked earlier about disruption in class and someone asked about figures. You can't meaningfully quantify disruption in terms of figures - you have to talk with present-day teachers about disruptive behaviours and compare with your own teaching experience.

Polish teachers are being undermined by a series of dumb govts, so the problem is being exacerbated here - very much as it was in the UK a few years ago.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:04 #37
Varsovian: You can't meaningfully quantify disruption in terms of figures - you have to talk with present-day teachers about disruptive behaviours and compare with your own teaching experience. Ofcourse you've been teaching in every single classroom in the UK, and you've talked to every teacher in Poland aswell. ;)

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Jul 15, 10, 13:11 #38

rychlik:

How would you compare Polish youth these days to say youth in other western EU states and even N. America?
For example, who abuses more drugs and alcohol? Who's more promiscuous?? [quote]

Western are more likely to abuse drugs for sure, specially northamericans. Promiscuity reaches its top in northern europe.

[quote=rychlik]Poland has a tradition of string family values. Is this true or a myth?

Myth, they say they are puritans, but that's just a catholic thing, they are as bad sinners as everyone else.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:27 #39
mvefa: they say they are puritans, but that's just a catholic thing i've always thought that puritanism is protestant thing.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 972 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:33 #40
zetigrek: i've always thought that puritanism is protestant thing. With puritans i meant believing to be flawless religiously talking..i might have used the wrong word..but u know what i mean.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:34 #41
Any religion can have puritanical elements and I associate it more with Catholicism than Protestantism.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:39 #42
Please tell me we're not going to talk about religion again? sigh If being a human could be a religion, then I guess we could all be natural and pure. What's pure anyway? (Pure chocolate?) ;)

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 13:45 #43
Re schools: I've taught in a couple of English schools (one state, one private) and chewed the fat with teachers from dozens of state and private schools in England, including my wife :) And I've talked with teachers in Poland, some of whom I'm related to - so, yes, I have a fairly good general knowledge of the subject.

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Jul 15, 10, 13:50 #44

Varsovian:

And I've talked with teachers in Poland, some of whom I'm related to - so, yes, I have a fairly good general knowledge of the subject.

I don't think anyone could make a statement like that based on just a few experiences. (I don't think there's much of a difference between European teens either, regardless of which country they live in!)

You've probably experienced a few nasty buggers though. (I'm pretty sure I could've been one of them aswell!)

;)

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Edited by: zetigrek Jul 15, 10, 13:50 #45

mvefa:

With puritans i meant believing to be flawless religiously talking..

still it doesnt fit to catholicism. Catholics are far more critical to their religion than any other creed. Look on American protestant creeds. They REALLY follow their religion rules. Not like catholics who like to have their own thoughts, get divorces, make premarriage sex, use contarceptions, etc. And they even often call priests pedophiles or "mafia w sutannach". Its just Catholic Church PR who want to pretend they are able to maintaine consistent image of catholic community.

Varsovian:

And I've talked with teachers in Poland, some of whom I'm related to - so, yes, I have a fairly good general knowledge of the subject.

what kind of schools? Liceum? Gimnazjum? Podstawówka??

In liceum or podstawówka they dont have such big problems with youth. But gimnazjum is different story

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06 ♂	Jul 15, 10, 20:18 #46
southern: I remember the times when you saw only the military short cut hair in the countries eastern of Oder.And women tend to resort to longer and longer hair.While in the past quite a few prefered the short hair attenuating the slavic face look. That's sooo late 90's early 00's! Shaved head is becoming passe these days. :)

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Aug 31, 10, 22:29 #47

I just met a Polish girl in Toronto who has for the last 20 years lived in Austria. She wants out of that country. She has told me the youth in Austria are sluttier, the men and women are lost and don't know their gender roles, the men don't treat the women like princesses (maybe that's a good thing) like in Poland and basically they don't like kids. She even said her former boyfriends father used to answer the door naked.
In her opinion the young Poles still believe in marriage, want kids/raise them better and have a different sense of morals (generally speaking). And they don't answer the door naked.

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,148 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 1, 10, 02:34 #48
On my recent trip to Poland, I noticed many younger people are quite fluent in numerous languages. Some of the youth I've met elsewhere, can barely spell his or her own name. A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 06:57 #49
Father answered the door naked?When I was in Austria I had the feeling its inhabitants are the biggest pervs.(only Budapest comes close).

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Sep 1, 10, 10:08 #50

Most Polish youth are hopeless in life, their only lifeline is finding jobs in western Europe or immigration to the new world, in order of preference USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

They see, smell and taste consumerism and affluent lifestyle in the west, yet it's out of reach for many of them. Which can be reflected in their bitterness towards foreigners, especially coloured people who are supposed to be beneath them based on their skin colours.

They pretend to be religious, proud of Jana Pawla (but can't explain why), yet constantly cirticise Americans as religious nuts.

Obsessed with the perception of their country, food, culture and lifestyle, constantly compares with their neighbours like Slovakia, Czech, Ukraine etc etc. If negative feedback is given, they'll start vicious arguments blaming Germans for invading their country, Britain for not saving them and America for not liberating them.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 11:06 #51
I don't have a lot of experience of Polish youth but from what I have seen, and from descriptions and anecdotes from Polish friends, I get the impression that on the whole, Polish young people are fairly well behaved - relatively speaking. Certainly better behaved than Irish, British, German, French, Spanish for example anyway.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Sep 1, 10, 12:23 #52
AussieSheila: Most Polish youth Are you of Polish descent? did your daddy not love you enough? You were in Poland for 9 days and you continuously bash it on here and make up ridiculous statements completely untrue with the sole intent of discrediting Poland.

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Sep 1, 10, 12:32 #53

SeanBM:

Are you of Polish descent? did your daddy not love you enough?

You were in Poland for 9 days and you continuously bash it on here and make up ridiculous statements completely untrue with the sole intent of discrediting Poland.

If she's anything like the majority of Australians I've met over here (hundreds, if not thousands) they never shut up about how much better things are "back home" and how much worse everywhere else is. Makes you wonder why they even bother "going travelling", really; because it seems like many of them would clearly prefer to sit at home with a can of XXXX and a jar of Vegemite :)

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Sep 2, 10, 05:05 #54
AussieSheila: smell and taste consumerism and affluent lifestyle in the west and don't forget the smell of the gutters where you come from...I wonder what's going on in the little head of yours, unless...you just get a kick out of trolling. So go ahead, make a fool of yourself.

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