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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 13, 12, 11:11    #61
We missed glorious times.
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: Midas  Jan 13, 12, 16:52    #62
We missed glorious times.

I personally found it rather annoying, some of these girls were notoriously hard to shake off if they knew you had cold hard cash. Also, I knew for a fact that 99% of them "cooperated" with the SB ( Political Police ), so everyone that really really just had to "help" a foreigner by providing access to a prostitute naturally came under suspicion. Usually for a good reason.

Other than that it made me a bit sad sometimes, all these women ( quite often - university graduates ) whoring themselves out like that and getting treated like cheap trash by sometimes not-too-bright expats for a few dollars. Some of them, as someone pointed out already, were married, sometimes even with children and still being a "dollar" prostitute on the weekends was their main source of pride ( "I'm so pretty they pay for me IN DOLLARS" ) and a life's accomplishment. A truly sad state of affairs, it wasn't just a "Polish" thing though, it took place in the whole Eastern Bloc.

Now apart from "bladzie" there was also an issue most expats who did business in Poland encountered more than once in the 1980's --> regular ( by that I mean "non-prostitutes" ) Polish women falling head over heels over guys who had:

a) dollars in their pockets,

b) foreign passports and thus an ability to "get them out of this hell-hole".

Every foreigner who came to Poland often enough in the 1980's most likely encountered more than one Polish woman ( some married, some with children, some with "responsible" jobs - doctors, journalists, etc. ) who told him in no uncertain terms that she would completely drop everything they had ( kids included ) in Poland and run off with him if he was only willing, along with the usual bullshit about what a great wife she'd make based on the virtue of being Polish.

Some of these girls, again, had acute problems with taking "no" for an answer even if the object of their "affections" was happily married.

I had that happen to me more than once in the 1980's, I think I described a bit where I dumped one such girl on a friendly Swede somewhere on the forum.

So in my opinion it was actually more sad than glorious, but to each his own, if having women worship you on their knees because you had a few dollars and a foreign passport or being neck-deep in prozzers for 30 dollars worth of money are your definition of glorious, then yes, you missed out on some glory days.
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Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: hythorn  Jan 13, 12, 17:07    #63
a friend of mine was a receptionist at the Sheraton in Warsaw in the late nineties

the hotel had a book of registered prostitutes who could 'work' at the hotel

to get registered the girl had to provide a copy of her ID card so if one of the guests got robbed whilst she
was on the job
then the hotel management knew who to send the police after

obviously if a guest picked up a lady of the night at a bar or club and took her back to his room
then the system would not work as well

Hotel Forum in Warsaw used to be called Hotel Wh0re-um as the ladies of the night would call up male guests in the wee small hours
touting their trade

A practice which is absolutely rife in China at the moment. Even business travellers who visit China with their wives and families
can expect to get woken up in the middle of the night being offered 'female companionship'
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: teflcat  Jan 13, 12, 17:14    #64
I stayed at a central Warsaw hotel a few times several years ago, and a flyer advertising prostitutes was slipped under my door each time. One time I stayed there with my brother and his wife. I got an ad but they didn't get one under their door, which proves that the hotel were cooperating with the pimps. Once, I opened my door just as a young lad was being 'delivered' to the room opposite by a large thuggish guy.
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Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀ 		 Jan 13, 12, 17:59    #65
In my humble opinion prostitution should be legal.Even more-should be taxed(although it's hard to do) and the girls should take regular health check.Of course they should not be forced into prostitution,
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In many countries it's legal, not only in Poland.
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		 Jan 14, 12, 20:03    #67
In many countries it's legal, not only in Poland.

I think most people who aren't aware of what I wrote about Poles and Roman Catholicism earlier on find it odd that a very religious country never even moved to outlaw prostitution in any way, hence the thread.
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Drugs aren't legal.
Look for bright sides.
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I know that overwhelming number of women that get into that trade have problems to begin with, and I don't want to get into whole sociology of the industry, but why would law make a distinction between woman getting paid for typing but not for giving hand jobs?
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		 Jan 14, 12, 20:25    #70
I don't mind prostitution being legal.

I think they should tax it though, but the Polish government hasn't figured that out yet.
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f stop:
but why would law make a distinction between woman getting paid for typing but not for giving hand jobs?


Hand job requires more skill.Anyway slavic women posess qualities that when put into trade leave the competition miles behind.
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Wedle:
Why is Prostitution still legal in Poland?


Why not?
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Joined: Nov 11, 11 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jan 15, 12, 05:05    #73
I was on the phone with a friend of mine the other night and I talked to him about prostitution in Poland. He cracked a joke and said that if prostitution was banned in Poland, most of the young women would be unemployed hahaha.
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most of the young women would be unemployed hahaha.

I guess he's not meeting them in a church, is he?
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Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂ 		 Apr 3, 12, 16:13    #75
Can I have french fries with that?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/prostitution/sex-for-cheeseburgers -749801
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southern:
Why is Prostitution still legal in Poland?



Because right-wing PiS party led by Jarosław Kaczyński didn`t abolish it when they ruled Poland with other far right extremists?

Just a guess.....
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Some sick minded Police in the USA
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pawian:

Because right-wing PiS party led by Jarosław Kaczyński didn`t abolish it when they ruled Poland with other far right extremists?


I personally think prostitution should be legal. It's more harmful for women when it's not legal and that is a fact.

Also, you ARE a right-winger. You admitted in another thread that you want religion taught in schools! Only right-wingers don't believe in separation of church and state!
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Wedle:
how can prostitution still be legal and morally accepted

It is? Sweet.
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EM_Wave:
Also, you ARE a right-winger.


Don`t be stupid! :):):):) I am only a teacher.... :):):):)
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Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 3, 12, 23:11    #81
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Only right-wingers don't believe in separation of church and state!


That's an American concept that irrelevant in many other countries.

'separation'
'church'
'state'

Why would you use those words together? Its a non political issue.
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f stop:
why would law make a distinction between woman getting paid for typing but not for giving hand jobs?

You don't have to be literate to perform the latter.
EM_Wave:
...religion taught in schools!

An atheist acquaintance of mine said, "by God we must start teaching atheism in school".

Private schools can teach religion. Public schools should not.
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Apr 5, 12, 23:48    #83
The Swedes got it right by not harassing the poor girls but arresting their johns. Posting their pictrues on websites might also work. If there'+s nothign wrong with prostitution then why should they be ashamed?! Demand end would also curb drug abuse. Go after the small-time pot smoker and scare them shitless and the dealers will soon go out of business.
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 6, 12, 00:33    #84
The Swedes got it right by not harassing the poor girls but arresting their johns. Posting their pictrues on websites might also work. If there'+s nothign wrong with prostitution then why should they be ashamed?! Demand end would also curb drug abuse. Go after the small-time pot smoker and scare them shitless and the dealers will soon go out of business.

In Poland they actually do go after the small time pot smokers and it doesn't change things even a bit, the dealers are still around.

Swedish prostitution laws ( now adopted by Norway and Iceland, or so I heard ) are a curiosity and might have a bit of a problem if properly challenged in court ( perhaps not in feminist-dominated Sweden ).
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Wedle:
how can prostitution still be legal and morally accepted?

Some of these women regard themselves as "Sex Professionals" , they say they pay their taxes and make in a day what others make in a month .If prostitution is legal ike in Germany where you have tons of "Sex Centers" you have less Mafia involved because if it is ilegal and forbidden it does not mean prostitution will disappear but on the contray still will flourish through mafia pimps.
Besides now with Internet you have tons of' Escort girls and boys" websites and unfortunately tons of female and men students advertise their "services" .

Why is it morally accepted in a Catholic country? Why is it morally accepted in a Jewish country? Why is it morally accepted in a Muslim country? Why is it morally accepted in a protestant country? Because as long as you have some clients, you have an industry.
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When speaking of the moraltiy or immorality of prostitution, shouldn't one consider the kids prostitutes invariably give birth to and often infect wtih AIDs and other STDs?
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Apr 6, 12, 13:23    #87
Regarding an effective crackdown on drug users, there would have to be wholesale round-ups outside clubs and discos: Hefty fines and even jail terms would have to be slapped on which would remain on their records forever, and their portraits would have be plastered all over the web so they couldn't even find a job.... With such prospects in store, most potheads would think twice before reaching for a joint. But there isn't the determination to do this because police and other authorities (not only in Poland) are probably on the take.
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Polonius3:
plastered all over the web so they couldn't even find a job.... With such prospects in store, most potheads would think twice before reaching for a joint

wow... just wow.
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what about abortion?
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Some of these women regard themselves as "Sex Professionals" , they say they pay their taxes and make in a day what others make in a month .If prostitution is legal ike in Germany where you have tons of "Sex Centers" you have less Mafia involved because if it is ilegal and forbidden it does not mean prostitution will disappear but on the contray still will flourish through mafia pimps.
Besides now with Internet you have tons of' Escort girls and boys" websites and unfortunately tons of female and men students advertise their "services" .

Are you perhaps labouring under the impression that all prozzers in Poland pay taxes on the full amount earned?

In Poland it is normal ( and not that unsual in the UK either ) that a given business is registered as a go-go club, strip club or a massage parlour and the taxes are paid only on what is officially kept in the books - more often than not minimum wage payed out to girls.

All the rest is the pot that is divided between girls and the pimps in some form.

Why is it morally accepted in a Catholic country? Why is it morally accepted in a Jewish country? Why is it morally accepted in a Muslim country? Why is it morally accepted in a protestant country? Because as long as you have some clients, you have an industry.

What a lot of Poles fail to understand is that many Catholics, especially from the US, are really pious and moral people that will actively implement the tenaments of their religion into their life, political choices and etc.

In Poland, as I mentioned, most people are "token" Catholics - they go to church on a Sunday and to confession once every blue moon, involve a priest in such rites as a wedding, baptism, etc. But the involvement of religion in their life doesn't go any deeper and the idea that some other Catholic might find Poland's prostitution laws ( legal ) and huge underground abortion circuit ( illegal, half the gynos do it ) preposterous doesn't even enter their heads.

Polish catholics who do find the above to be in conflict with their faith are branded as "Mohery" and nobody listens to them

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