PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow - Where I should report them??

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May 5, 11, 16:37 #31

antheads:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna

Clearly the original poster was not referring to that site given that:
a) she says that she does not speak Polish; and
b) she says "wikipedia" not "Polish wikipedia"; and
the article on Polish wikipedia makes no mention at all of the legal status of the swastika in Poland (link).

antheads:

polish reality passes you by

Unlike you, who is completely by-passed by reality.

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May 5, 11, 16:38 #32

ZIMMY:

Häagen-Dazs is a brand of ice cream, established by Polish Jewish immigrants Reuben and Rose Mattus in the Bronx, New York, in 1961.

heh even better, a cone of ice-cream with a zionist twist a that looks just like the proto-slavic swastika when seen from the Mar's orbit...

Crow:

why you upset my PM relaxation with your simple-minded comments?

then go relaxing in the restroom (where your views belong) and stop discharging your bowels here on PF, it still stinks from the last time you shat your gazillionth slavija turd. Others would like relax here as well without your constant stench

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May 5, 11, 16:41 #33

Kate1988:

Well it is a seller of nazi memorabilia, he sells objects with swastikas on them,
and he sells them in public display,
and he also displays them on a public website with more than 1 million monthly visitors.

It is exactly the definition of public display of swastikas.

Clear right off you hysterical loon!!!! Just who do you think you are ? You go to a country ,know nothing of its language yet are willing to make a fool of yourself by trying to get an antiques dealer sent to prison.
FYI incase you hadnt noticed Poland and Europe are no longer run by nazis or commies so take your fascistic tendencies elswehere.
I find it a bit insulting that you consider yourself the arbiter of good taste in a country that lost 6 million dead in the last war!!!! If local Poles are content to see a small buisness man making a living for himself just who do you think you are to judge?

so sue me!!!!

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May 5, 11, 16:42 #34

It is sad such an ancient symbol, which is known worldwide and was used by proto-proto people since at least the time basket weaving, is appropriated by scoundrels. Swastika is a Sanskrit word and the symbol is associated with several dieties in Hinduism most especially the graceful goddess Saraswati, hence the name Swastika. The Nazis didn't even call it a "Swastika" but rather a "Hakenkreuzen" or some such ugly word which translates into "crooked cross" in english. Calling its Nazi usage a Swastika is unfortunate and it should be called a "Nazi-Footed-X" in English from now on, or perhaps "Hitler's Anus".

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,228 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 May 5, 11, 16:44 #35
bhah.Germanic Gladiators had it as their shield decoration in Romano Britian...its as much a German thing as some hippy dippy Indian thing. But I would love to see her reaction at my Hindu mates houses during feast times when their doorsteps are covered in chalk swasticas :)

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 5, 11, 16:48 #36

The reason the Nazi party adopted the Swastika wasn't so much because it was an ancient, sanskrit symbol but because it was quite popular in the West as the German Workers party was founded 1920.
It was just fashionable in many countries that time...that's all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_Swastika_in_the_early_ 20th_century

The swastika (gammadion, "fylfot") symbol became a popular symbol of luck in the Western world in the early 20th century.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 5, 11, 16:49 #37
FlaglessPole: then go relaxing in the restroom (where your views belong) and stop discharging your bowels here on PF, it still stinks from the last time you shat your gazillionth slavija turd. what`s wrong with comments about Slavs on PF, especially when we speak about old Slavic symbol- swastika?

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May 5, 11, 16:54 #38

Bratwurst Boy:

because it was quite popular in the West

as found in the ruins of camuludunam

see inside red circle

full pot,german gladiaator ,on left.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 5, 11, 16:59 #39
isthatu2: as found in the ruins of camuludunam Not that....the Swastika was common pop culture in the West in the roaring Twenties...that's why it was chosen by the Nazis. Not as much because of it's ancient, sanskrit symbolism...

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May 5, 11, 17:07 #40

er,that aint sanskrit, thats some gladiator called Germanicus the impaler (ok,he's not,but he is a german gladiator), Im not disputing the nazis had various reasons for choosing the crooked cross,maybe they just really liied Finland or Ravi Shankar music? But, its cleary also an ancient germanic symbol despite what todays new age hippies will tell you :)
(or not tell you,in the case of the guy on the BBC doc the other week,showing this vase he describes both the gladiators,names,skills ,the lot,its all written on the vase,even after pointing out the guy was a German warrior the lack of mention of the swastica on his sheild was almost laughable,like a big elephant farting in the room :) )

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May 5, 11, 17:10 #41

isthatu2:

But, its cleary also an ancient germanic symbol

No, it isn't!

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The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) form or its mirrored left-facing (卍) form. Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. It remains widely used in Indian Religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

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May 5, 11, 17:15 #42

Bratwurst Boy:

No, it isn't!

are you blind???? How many german warriors do you think went on gap years to India in 170 AD?
Why the argument BB?
Have you been told that every single one of Hitlers archeological discoveries were faked? maybe they were,this one was found in Colchester,and not by Himmler........no nazi buried this vase to make a connection between the swastica of old and new did they..............sheesh.

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Edited by: Crow May 5, 11, 17:16 #43

isthatu2:

full pot,german gladiaator ,on left.

there was no German gladiator in the antic Rome. Eventually Germanic and as we all know Sarmats lived in Germania. Just later when those Sarmatians were romanized, they acquired name (and were designated that way by Romans) of Roman province of Germania for themselves. So, Germanics and later Germans appeared on the scene.

From the Balkan to the Baltic, only ethos that bordered with Roman Empire was Sarmatian (Proto Slavic) people. Actually, they lived on the both sides of the border. Border wasn`t their but invention of invading Romans. Romans created border (cut it thru the land of natives) and then accused native European Sarmats for violation of that border. It was ultimate hypocrisy. Then Romans enslaved Sarmats and committed genocide and ethnocide on native Sarmatians.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 5, 11, 17:17 #44

You are speaking of a germanic warrior in the roman army in what is now Colchester?
The same army ruling over all of the known world at one time? It can't be that that symbol just somehow made it's way onto a shield of one soldier of that widespead army which was comprised of soldiers of countless cultures and heritage?
It MUST be an germanic symbol???

When some motorbikers in California wear the Iron Cross around their neck (or their belt buckles, or their helmets) does that mean that they are Prussians???

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,228 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	May 5, 11, 17:21 #45
No, I am talking about a germanic warrior who became a champion gladiator in Roman britain......................his name is on the vase itself FFS!!!!!!!!!! :) sorry,BB,can you not see the pictures I have posted or what?

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	May 5, 11, 17:23 #46
Crow: Sarmats lived in Germania. Acording to Tacitus' Germania Germans lived in Germania and Sarmats lived in Sarmatia and both peoples feared each other. All Indo-European peoples have common ancestors but by the time of the late Roman Republic, and Empire, Germans and Sarmatians were different peoples.

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Edited by: isthatu2 May 5, 11, 17:33 #47

Bratwurst Boy:

Calm down! :)

Never mind calm down.my mouth is full of humble pie and flat cap...............seems the Gladiator was called Valentinius,and was attached to one of the legions on the Rhine........so,maybe a local,maybe not..................:)

Polepp:

How many of you are actual LAWYERS?

Quite a few people on this site are TBH.

But,incase you refer to my posting a big 'orrible nazi picture.tough cookies, Im in the UK ,the site is hosted in the USA ,neither countries yet have ironic laws outlawing symbols in the name of freedom......

Polepp	May 5, 11, 17:36 #48
what is TBH? I think Kate was talking about 1940-1942 Hitler Nazi Swastika displayed in public... which is Nazi symbol punishable by the law... and not about some ancient swastikas..

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Edited by: JonnyM May 5, 11, 17:37 #49

The origins of the swastika and spurious legends about Sarmatians are irrelevant. Public displays of Nazi symbols are not. In this case however, it just seems to be a guy selling memorabilia and antiques, rather than racists displaying banners or spraying grafitti. Shops, museums, websites, art galleries etc aren't a public display - nobody sees them unless they go out of their way to do so.

If anything else were the case, the Zachęta Gallery in Warsaw would be liable for prosecution for its recent controversial exhibiton of photos. So would the Army Museum, the memorial at Oświęcim, the Uprising Museum and just about every antique dealer in the country.

In any case, the OP seems to be a troll.

Polepp	May 5, 11, 17:40 #50
Shops, museums, websites, art galleries etc aren't a public display - nobody sees them unless they go out of their way to do so. Not really... they are displayed in public, free to access by ANYONE

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May 5, 11, 17:43 #51

Polepp:

I think Kate was talking about 1940-1942 Hitler Nazi Swastika displayed in public... which
is Nazi symbol punishable by the law...

No it is not. Simple.
If it was the police would be arresting re enactors left right and centre in August and september every year in Poland!

Mokotow, warsaw,last couple of years.....

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 5, 11, 17:43 #52
Polish organisations also used swastikas: 14 more examples are shown at Polish wikipedia: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastyka#Na_ziemiach_polskich

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Edited by: wildrover May 5, 11, 17:47 #53

there is a big zlot coming up in Borno sullinovo....

there will be lots of Nazi symbols on display , not to mention lots of Red army ones , and i dare say a few from various Muslim terrorist organisations....

The policja will be attending the zlot too... to direct traffic and look for lost kids...

Everyone will have a great time , and hopefully some of the younger people will learn a bit of history...

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Edited by: isthatu2 May 5, 11, 17:48 #54

Harry:

Polish organisations also used swastikas

Highlanders unit badge;
(The swastikas which appear in unit's logos have no relation whatsoever to the swastikas used by German Nazi movement. Swastika was a common geometric ornament in the folk culture of Tatra mountains and for that reason the it was adopted by highlander units of Polish army. The usage of swastikas by highlander regiments of Polish army predates the rise of NSDAP.)

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	May 5, 11, 17:50 #55
Polepp: Not really... they are displayed in public, free to access by ANYONE Anyone who makes the effort to go and see them. That isn't "in public". The law in question though, is a perfect example of the incompetent drafting of laws in Poland.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	May 5, 11, 17:52 #56
It's a shame that a perfectly good symbol was so misused by the Nazi. They ruined it. They also ruined the name "Adolph" and of course Hitler made his version of the mustache unacceptable as well.

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May 5, 11, 17:54 #57

As an incidental to this, I a few weeks back bought a DVD of a film called Eichmann,no prizes for guessing who that was about (again though,Thomas Kretschmann must get so bored of playing nazis...) , I discovered it has a reversable cover for the DVD case,the one on show had a huge swastika the one on the inside,presumably for softie euro countries had not a trace of a swastika or any other naziness anywhere.........

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 5, 11, 18:55 #58
Bratwurst Boy: I always knew that "Middle Earth" was ancient Germania! :) Well, that would make the SS Urqui...

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 5, 11, 19:05 #59
Harry: Well, that would make the SS Urqui... Sorry I mean 'original Waffen SS' and 'Uruk-ha'

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