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 Sep 23, 11, 06:15    #211
Given what the report on post#162 has to say about discrimination of even Asylum granted Chechnyians in the work place, I can't see why anyone from developing countries would want to stay there except for a foot-in to the rest of the EU. Why are they interested in Poland? What's it got? Every Pole who has mentioned a reason for leaving to come to UK says there's nothing but family, if that.

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 Sep 23, 11, 06:20    #212
I would like to add this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUgSAIcduyQ
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Edited by: Foreigner4  Sep 23, 11, 08:36    #213
I can't see why anyone from developing countries would want to stay there except for a foot-in to the rest of the EU. Why are they interested in Poland? What's it got?

Use your imagination. Don't only ask what it has, ask what it hasn't as well.

Maybe there isn't a war in Poland, maybe that could be attractive to someone who lives in such an environment. Maybe 6 pln/hour isn't much but it's a damn site more than 100 pln/120 hours. Maybe there's a chance to sell knock off crap here at an inflated price no one will pay back in their country. Maybe the law isn't looking for them in Poland (rightly or wrongly)... there are loads of reasons.

To many Poles, London is the promised land, to me it's an over crowded sh*t hole for the most part- it all depends on what you know and what you like.
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 Sep 24, 11, 19:31    #214
Which also could explain why we are being emasculated and relieved of the right to defend ourselves, at the same time as feral subhumans terrorise our cities without fear of the law - I suppose they're the ones who keep the government in power. Perhaps the government intends to use them as cannon fodder in a future world war, so they don't exactly want the law-abiding majority bumping them off in the meantime ;)


Now this is an important point, self-defense...Self-defense exercised in a timely manner eliminates problems later; we can take the case of the schoolyard bully: best way to deal with him is a hard punch in the face as soon as he starts his mischief...Trouble makers seek easy targets.

Government wants us to think they THEY will protect us and THEY know what's best, but, of course, we know this is absurd: Government these days is run by career bureaucrats whose only interest is keeping their bloated tax-payer paid salaries...The recent British riots proved this point, as the trouble ended when the community and shopkeepers organized and put a stop to it.
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 Sep 24, 11, 22:42    #215
None of my Polish friends are racist antisemitic homophobic because they are well educated, love meeting other cultures and beyond all they are good human beeings.

As for the stereotype of Poles beeing anti semitic just read the magnificent novel from Daniel Mendelsohn called"the Lost"(Zagubieni. W poszukiwaniu sześciorga spośród) and remember that the majority of the Righteous among the Nations in Yad Vashem Memorial in Jerusalem were Poles.

I think that racism takes place when ignorance is fuelled by hard economic times and that we blame the others for everything bad happening to us, we look for the usual suspects the usual scapegoats. let's hope that History will not repeat itself.
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Edited by: Natasa  Sep 24, 11, 23:17    #216
None of my Polish friends are racist antisemitic homophobic because they are well educated, love meeting other cultures and beyond all they are good human beeings.

That trend exists (between education and liberal orientation), but it is not that linear and simple. Education can lead to different outcomes, depending on the institution that educates.

Conservative, elite type of schools and Universities I seriously doubt promote egalitarianism, quite the contrary. Actually it would be logical to assume that is their raison d'etre?

stop the earth i want to get off
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 Sep 24, 11, 23:45    #217
LwowskaKrakow
None of my Polish friends are racist antisemitic homophobic because they are well educated, love meeting other cultures and beyond all they are good human beeings.

yeh, but just because that is the 'tribe' you have chosen, doesn't mean the others don't exist.
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 Sep 25, 11, 01:08    #218
Conservative, elite type of schools and Universities I seriously doubt promote egalitarianism, quite the contrary. Actually it would be logical to assume that is their raison d'etre?


I'll rephrase due to a weird mod. It is logical to assume that schools and universities raison d'etre is to nuture and encourage intelligence and capability and are elitist regarding these aspects of a person.
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 Sep 25, 11, 02:05    #219
It is logical to assume that schools and universities raison d'etre is to nuture and encourage intelligence and capability and are elitist regarding these aspects of a person.


Hahahaha. In the world today, most of them are all about money - and not about education.

You just need to look at Poland to see how money influences the education sector.
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 Sep 25, 11, 02:21    #220
Hahahaha. In the world today, most of them are all about money - and not about education.


That has nothing to do with the point I was making on racism not being the motivation of an elite education...nor is it a logical assumption.
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 Sep 25, 11, 09:04    #221
doesn't mean the others don't exist.

Rozumiemnic I am not saying that Racists do not exist in Poland because you have idiots everywhere on earth but to always have Poland associated with Racism and Antisemitism is wrong.
There are millions of Poles outside Poland living and working all over the world in different cutures.Do we hear that the Polish Community in Chicago US is racist? No.
Do we hear that the Polish communities in Germany France UK Dubai etc are racist ?No.
Were or are those famous Poles: Ryszard Kapucinski, Kieslowski ,Zulawsk etc racist or antisemitic? No

Yet we keep hearing about Poland beeing xenophobic as if all the Poles were that way and the question of the first post speaks for itself: Racism in Poland-The Future.

So yes there are racists in Poland but they are not the majority and if it was forbidden in the Polish Constitution to publicly express racism in any form against any ethnic group or to express ethno centrism publicly it would eradicate the association: Poland equals Racism and Antisemitism.

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 Feb 11, 12, 06:58    #222
as long as those people you know are killing themselves, all is good.
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 Feb 11, 12, 07:01    #223
lavie:
I want my Poland back.

Back to 1939. Jesus wept.
a.k.  Feb 11, 12, 12:48    #224
lavie:
I want my Poland back.


Your Poland? In another thread you've written that you are not Polish.
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 Apr 30, 12, 20:22    #225
jareck:
Racism in poland

4 AZS Koszalin basketball players were attacked and beaten by 15 hooligans. One of the victims Lamont McIntosh says that his teammate who was also attacked heard racist slurs.
http://www.tvn24.pl/2521182,28377,0,1,1,atak-kiboli,wideo.html
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 Apr 30, 12, 21:35    #226
PennBoy:
Koszalin basketball players were attacked and beaten by 15 hooligans


Exactly; they were attacked by hooligans not the whole of Polish society. Ask yourself, if Poland were so racist then how did these black players even get in the country let alone be signed up to play on a local sports team? Why do ordinary Poles turn up to watch them play?
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 Yesterday, 08:07    #227
Merged: Amnesty International Issues Warning: Racism in Poland "A Concern".

The father of one of England's players won't be attending his son's games in Ukraine and Poland, due to warnings from the Foreign Office and other humans rights organizations. His is not the first family that will be skipping matches there.
Amnesty International is the latest body to express concern about the Euros, this time over Poland. "The harsh reality is that racism remains commonplace in Poland and there are numerous reports of xenophobia on the terraces and in the stands of Polish football grounds," said Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/chamberlain- racism-means-ill-miss-my-son-in-ukraine-7789250.html
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 Yesterday, 09:19    #228
The Walcots tweeted about not going ages ago and it was regarding Ukraine NOT Poland.
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Yesterday, 09:54    #229
This racism issue is recieving a fair amount of media coverage at the moment. Do the coloured players know something we dont regrading racism?

I really dont know what to expect on this one.
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 Yesterday, 10:47    #230
When my uncle was in the Army and stationed in Egypt, he was given a bible and told to "keep this Jew thing under your hat". If the Foreign Office and Amnesty International is saying you might not be safe going to such-and-such a country, they can't exactly hide their color and keep it under their hats. They're being warned and responding in a manner they consider prudent, I guess.
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 Yesterday, 16:23    #231
jasondmzk:
The father of one of England's players won't be attending his son's games in Ukraine and Poland, due to warnings from the Foreign Office and other humans rights organizations. His is not the first family that will be skipping matches there.


Tell him not to visit your beloved "homeland".

http://www.rt.com/news/israel-anti-migrant-demo-061/
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 Yesterday, 18:48    #232
jasondmzk:
they can't exactly hide their color and keep it under their hats.


I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks.
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it

Amnesty is making an elephant out of a mosquito, they better concentrate on real problems.
Who cares about coloureds not getting a warm welcome in some European countries?
If they don't like that, they should find a nice boat and row back to Africa or wherever they come from.
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 Yesterday, 19:09    #233
Realist Guy correctly makes the point that all nationalities have prejudices against other nationalities.For example, as a Scot I know that many of my fellow Scots do not like English people.
However,my mother came from Poland,and although it was Russians who killed two of her brothers,my uncles at Katyn,I do not hate Russians living today for crimes committed by previous generations."Live and let live" is my motto.
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Edited by: peterweg  Yesterday, 19:13    #234
jasondmzk:
"The harsh reality is that racism remains commonplace in Poland and there are numerous reports of xenophobia on the terraces and in the stands of Polish football grounds,"


So how many Polish football fans are going to be on the stands of, say, an England match? Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK, wonder if she has considered that crucial point.

Football championships bring all sorts of idiots out of the wood work, using it as a sounding box.

I would be far more concerned about the possibility of a terrorist attack, say an attack on a team bus.
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 Yesterday, 19:13    #235
jarnowa:
I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks

Selective memory.
jarnowa:
If they don't like that, they should find a nice boat and row back to Africa or wherever they come from.

Perhaps because you are a racist.
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 Yesterday, 19:17    #236
jarnowa:
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it

pulled any girl yet jarnowa?
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 Yesterday, 19:38    #237
jarnowa:

I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks.
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it



So that answers the question, 'Does Poland have a problem with Racists?', with a big YES.
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 Yesterday, 19:42    #238
jarnowa:
talking to Polish girls



What's wrong with that? LOL


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