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 Jun 23, 11, 18:32    #451
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Dont remember which episode exactly but when Charlies fiancee's mother from Chicago arives, she meakes a statement: "...you dont have to tell me twice, Im not a pollock..."

Also, he had a girl supposedly from Poland once that was portrayed in bad light as well...

Yea but if the same was done with a Jew or minority it would be prejudice or racist.

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 Jun 23, 11, 21:44    #452
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Yea but if the same was done with a Jew or minority it would be prejudice or racist.

Once I watched an episode of an otherwise dull TV series "Criminal Minds":
http://www.tv.com/criminal-minds/bloodline/episode/1244011/recap.html? tag=episode_recap;recap
They said something about "Gypsies, who are known as petty thieves", but that's nothing - the episode was about Romani killing parents, kidnapping children and brainwashing them and it was suggested that this is a "tradition" in certain Romani circles. It is beyond my comprehension how did they ever allowed this crap to be aired.
I couldn't find any info that someone was held responsible for that. Evidently some minorities are more equal than others.
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 Jul 10, 11, 15:38    #453
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Evidently some minorities are more equal than others.


Not necessarily....just got this in an email and thought it would fit in this thread perfectly!

The Mother of all Ethnic Jokes

An Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman, a Welshman, a Latvian, a Turk,
a German, an Indian, several Americans (including a southerner, a New
Englander, and a Californian), an Argentinean, a Dane, an Australian,
a Slovakian, an Egyptian, a Japanese, an Austrian, a Moroccan, a Frenchman,
a New Zealander, a Spaniard, a Russian, a Guatemalan, a Colombian,
a Pakistani, a Malaysian, a Croatian, a Uzbek, a Cypriot, a Pole,
a Lithuanian, a Chinese, a Sri Lankan, a Lebanese, a Cayman Islander,
a Ugandan, a Vietnamese, a Korean, a Uruguayan, a Czech, an Icelander,
a Mexican, a Finn, a Honduran, a Panamanian, an Andorran, an Israeli,
a Venezuelan, a Fijian, a Peruvian, an Estonian, a Brazilian, a Portuguese,
a Liechtensteiner, a Mongolian, a Hungarian, a Canadian, a Moldovan,
a Haitian, a Norfolk Islander, a Macedonian, a Bolivian, a Cook Islander,
a Tajikistani, a Samoan, an Armenian, a Aruban, an Albanian, a Greenlander,
a Micronesian, a Virgin Islander, a Georgian, a Bahaman, a Belarusian,
a Cuban, a Tongan, a Cambodian, a Qatari, an Azerbaijani, a Romanian,
a Chilean, a Kyrgyzstani, a Jamaican, a Filipino, a Ukrainian, a Dutchman,
an Ecuadorian, a Costa Rican, a Swede, a Bulgarian, a Serb, a Swiss, a Greek,
a Belgian, a Singaporean, an Italian, a Norwegian and 47 Africans walk into
a fine restaurant....

"I'm sorry," said the maître d', after he had scrutinized the group one by one
and barred their entrance, saying- "you can't come in here without a Thai."
jimbowski  Jul 29, 11, 06:41    #454
Check out the documentary film, Polack, which attempts to find the source of the Polish joke in America and shows many examples from television and film. The film can be watched online at polackthefilm.com
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Edited by: MediaWatch  Jul 29, 11, 10:26    #455
Check out the documentary film, Polack, which attempts to find the source of the Polish joke in America and shows many examples from television and film. The film can be watched online at polackthefilm.com

Well the fact it has the anti-Polish slur "polack" in the title, tells you all you have to know about the film and its anti-Polish agenda. Its a movie made by the same Hollywood Leftists that pushed these anti-Polish slurs in the 70's. It says virtually nothing about the Hollywood/TV network hate-campaign against Polish people.

Would you expect a movie called "wopthefilm" to properly explain anti-Italian prejudice or anti-Italian jokes in America? Would you expect a movie called n*ggerthefilm" to explain anti-Black slurs in America? Or Kikethefilm" to explain anti-Jewish jokes/slurs? I would think not.

This movie "explains" anti-Polish jokes/slurs about as good as the anti-Polish show "All in the family" explained them with a token Polish character.

This obscure "movie" I have never seen played anywhere which says something. Its not like the 1970's where it was OK to openly bash Polish people, or pretend to "defend" or "explain" them while actually bashing them.

I wouldn't be surprised if "jimbowski" was the usual suspect anti-Polish troll on this forum.
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 Jul 29, 11, 17:12    #456
the anti-Polish show "All in the family"

That show was meant to reveal the stupidity of Polonophobia, and other irrational prejudices, by showing how ridiculous the prejudiced idiot character Archy Bunker was. The problem with the show was that many of its viewers, rather than seeing Archy for the fool he was, saw him as their hero who was unafraid to vocalize all the stupid prejudices that they themselves held.
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 Jul 29, 11, 17:19    #457
I agree with Des. I believe there were some that picked Archie as their hero, in protest over the equal rights movement that they just could not accept.
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Edited by: MediaWatch  Jul 29, 11, 20:37    #458
That show was meant to reveal the stupidity of Polonophobia, and other irrational prejudices, by showing how ridiculous the prejudiced idiot character Archy Bunker was. The problem with the show was that many of its viewers, rather than seeing Archy for the fool he was, saw him as their hero who was unafraid to vocalize all the stupid prejudices that they themselves held.

Oh yeah that show "All in the Family" really revealed the stupidity of Polonophobia LOL

My parents and other Polish Americans have always said, it was the basis for at least half of the anti-Polish jokes and anti-Polish prejudice in America which exploded in the 1970's. Especially when people after watching "All in the Family" went up to their fellow Polish Americans and harassed them with the same ethnic slurs Archie used on Polish people. Evidently 80% of America didn't get it that anti-Polish jokes by Archie was prejudice an unacceptable.

The show ran from 1971-1979. Those were the years when anti-Polish jokes and anti-Polish slurs peaked in America. That tells you something.

There were some token episodes where the Polish character and his relatives put the bigot Archie Bunker in his place with his anti-Polish jokes. But other then those handful of episodes, all Americans heard and recalled from the show was "Dumb Polack this" and "Dumb Polack that". The Leftist producer Norman Lear purposely put in a Polish character who was the main character of the show, as the basis of the show to crank out anti-Polish soundbites more then negative soundbites against any other group.

Its interesting the producer Norman Lear never had any slur soundbites about his ethnic background such as use of the word "K*ke". He also never had Archie use the word "N*gger". His jokes about Jews also were mild. Archie never made any Jewish jokes about Jews looking or acting like rats that the Nazis made even though Archie's jokes about Polish people were similar to the ones made by Nazi Germans..

Archie Bunker was also referred to by the mainstream media as a "Loveable Bigot". So basically the producer no doubt wanted the audience to embrace half of what Archie said, while employing the ruse the show was "against ethnic bigotry".

Many Polish Americans feel Archie's anti-Polish jokes reflected the anti-Polish prejudice of the Left-wing producer Norman Lear towards Poles, since Lear afterwards on his own made similar anti-Polish slurs.
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Edited by: delphiandomine  Jul 29, 11, 20:45    #459
The Leftist producer Norman Lear purposely put in a Polish character

See, MediaWatch - if you actually knew a damned thing about Poland, you'd know that Poland by nature is "leftist".

From the abuse of "Polacks" - sounds to me as if the producer was actually "rightist".

From Wikipedia -

All in the Family was notorious for featuring language and authentic epithets previously absent from American television, such as "fag" and "fairy" for homosexual, "yid" and "hebe" for Jews, "spic" for Hispanics, "mick" for Irish, "dago" and "wop" for Italians, "polak" for Polish, "chink" for Chinese, "Jap" for Japanese, "gook" for southeast Asian, and "spade", "spook", "jig", and "jungle bunnies" for blacks. In a few instances, "goddammit" was uttered. It was also famous for being the first major television show to feature the sound of a flushing toilet; it became a running gag on the show. As typical of people with a Brooklyn accent, Archie and Edith would pronounce "toilet" as "terlet".

Seems to me as if you haven't actually watched it at all, but rather you're just repeating what you've read in racist Polack newspapers. I mean, it doesn't surprise me - Lear is Jewish, and therefore a good target for anti-semitic Polack organisations who seek to portray him in a bad light.
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Edited by: MediaWatch  Jul 29, 11, 20:54    #460
See, MediaWatch - if you actually knew a damned thing about Poland, you'd know that Poland by nature is "leftist".

From the abuse of "Polacks" - sounds to me as if the producer was actually "rightist".

What in the world are you talking about?? Have you been drinking?

I'm not talking about Poland, I'm talking about America and its media shows.


You don't know a damn thing about what your talking about if you think Norman Lear is not a Leftist and is a RIGHTIST LOL. Even he would tell you that he's strongly liberal.


By the way I have some more examples of how elements of the media in this country is for some reason making your Russians look stupid in a way kind of similar to how the media made Poles and Italians look the same way years before. I guess the love affair between the Left-wing media in this country and Russia is over.

I'll post them in the off-topic section.
woodlandpole  Sep 15, 11, 20:17    #461
To learn more about the source of Polish jokes (Polack jokes) in America, watch the feature documentary, Polack, at polackthefilm.com
seanbrazil  Jan 18, 12, 13:52    #462
Each nationality makes fun of neighbours/immigrants/collonisers that are relevant to them. In England there are many irish/welsh jokes, in holland the belgium are butt of the jokes while in Brazil we make jokes about the portuguese (the jokes are exactly the same just substituting nationality). There are two main theories about why the Polish seemed particularly picked on. The jokes did originate by Nazi propaganda, and this spread to countries that absorbed immigration after WWII, especially America. Also, because of differences in vocabulary/grammar people of polish descent found more difficult to learn english than other european counterparts, leading to a misrepresention of lack of intelligence. This is the same for other countries like Ukraine, but the Polish are particularly numerous in America- The Ukranians are made fun of in Canada where they are more numerous. We all know that if something is ubiquitous in America (such as polish jokes) it quickly gets disseminated to the world because of global consumption of American media, so now it has travelld back to Europe...
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 Jan 18, 12, 18:48    #463
I'm watching a Reginald D. Hunter stand-up video at the moment. He's an American who makes satirical jokes on race and class differences between the UK and US.
He made the joke that when he went back to America a friend asked him,

'Are they racist over there[in UK]',

He replied,

'Yeah,some.'

His friend then asked

'Do they have Mexicans over there?'

He replied,

'Yeah, but they call them Polish'

Got a big laugh.
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Edited by: EM_Wave  Jan 18, 12, 18:51    #464
^That might have been the same guy that made a joke about German prostitutes. Basically, it was about how an American man came to Germany to try out a German prostitute. He couldn't find one though because there were no German prostitutes in Germany. All of them were Polish/East European.

I almost fell off my chair the first time I heard that one.
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 Jan 25, 12, 14:17    #465
modafinil:
I'm watching a Reginald D. Hunter stand-up video at the moment. He's an American who makes satirical jokes on race and class differences between the UK and US.
He made the joke that when he went back to America a friend asked him,

'Are they racist over there[in UK]',

He replied,

'Yeah,some.'

His friend then asked

'Do they have Mexicans over there?'

He replied,

'Yeah, but they call them Polish'

Got a big laugh.



So there are proportionally about as many Polish people in England as there are Mexicans in America? Is the Polish population that big in the UK?

By the way, I believe this guy Reginald Hunter was referring to Ireland and not the UK. So you are somewhat inaccurate.

But if I'm not mistaken, there is a sizeable Polish population in Ireland. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can confirm that to me.
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Edited by: modafinil  Jan 25, 12, 15:41    #466
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So there are proportionally about as many Polish people in England as there are Mexicans in America? Is the Polish population that big in the UK?

By the way, I believe this guy Reginald Hunter was referring to Ireland and not the UK. So you are somewhat inaccurate.

But if I'm not mistaken, there is a sizeable Polish population in Ireland. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can confirm that to me.


The joke wasn't centred on their number, though relevant, more their standing - low skilled economic migrants trying their luck. I live in Ealing with the highest concentration of Poles in the UK, though if I see a Pole on my street they're more likely to be here to service someone's house then coming home.
Nope, I just double checked the DVD, it was Britain. So you are somewhat inventive. Possibly, it translates just as well to an Irish audience. I'm not sure of the stereotype the Irish have of Poles.
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 Jan 26, 12, 09:13    #467
modafinil:
The joke wasn't centred on their number, though relevant, more their standing - low skilled economic migrants trying their luck. I live in Ealing with the highest concentration of Poles in the UK, though if I see a Pole on my street they're more likely to be here to service someone's house then coming home.
Nope, I just double checked the DVD, it was Britain. So you are somewhat inventive. Possibly, it translates just as well to an Irish audience. I'm not sure of the stereotype the Irish have of Poles.


So according to you, the English people think Poles in England are like the Mexicans in America?

So the English think Mexicans are low class and are not capable of rising above low level jobs?


But speaking about the Irish, why have the English made inferior intelligence jokes about the Irish for many years?
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 Jan 26, 12, 13:31    #468
I see the stereotype of Americans not understanding irony is true in this particular. Your logic is spurious. It is not about where the capability can take them. You have shown your own racist view on Mexicans with your statement. It's about the situation now.
The joke was made by an American, yet the British audience 'got it'. How British hear Americans talk of Mexicans is not dissimilar to how Polish here are spoken of. There is a thread on PF about Alabama and its immigration issues. Started by a Polish immigrant to American, ironically Many of the posts you can swap out the word Mexican for Polish and would not have a problem seeing that as a Conversation happening in England.

Below are a few British jokes I have heard that I consider satirical with the first one having a dash of irony.

"
I went down to the local corner-shop earlier.

"Get back to your own country," I shouted. 'Coming here, expecting special treatment.'

'Calm down sir,' he replied.

'I won't,' I plied. 'My mate Mohammed lost his job because of you... Polish prick.'
"


Simple word-play with racism and regarding the flow of Poles to the UK:
"
I was with the missus in Tesco and saw polish remover.
Couldn't help thinking, "Finally, a solution for those bastards next door."
"

There is a tv ad for cleaning products named Mr Muscle, with the tag 'Loves the jobs you hate'.
Simple satire:
"
Mr Muscle... loves the jobs you hate...

He's Polish then.
"

There are coarser ones on par with what used to be called Irish jokes, or 'Insert nation here' jokes where the nationality of the 'victim' had no relevance. You may have already heard them.

As for Irish jokes, from what I remember of the school playground they were the equivalent of American Polish jokes, where customs had noting to add except to enforce the idea that Irish were thick when they were the fastest rising immigrant group to England. They still are the largest immigrant population but are less noticeable due to accent, colour etc. I went to Catholic schools I'd guess 80-90% Irish.Though British by birth Poles and Asians were overrepresented in the top sets with Jamaicans invariably in the bottom sets. Yet I have never heard Jamaican jokes about their intelligence as a nation. Possibly jokes aren't allowed to be too close to reality...unless it's satire.
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modafinil:
I see the stereotype of Americans not understanding irony is true in this particular.


You're obsessed with stereotypes like some kind of child.


modafinil:
I see the stereotype of Americans not understanding irony is true in this particular. Your logic is spurious. It is not about where the capability can take them. You have shown your own racist view on Mexicans with your statement. It's about the situation now.
The joke was made by an American, yet the British audience 'got it'.




My God what a hypocrite you are. YOU are accusing ME of a racist view on Mexicans when YOU were the one who brought up a joke about racism concerning Mexicans and took delight in it?????? Are you out of your mind? Talk about spurious logic.

Go back to your post # 463 which contains your joke which is specifically about RACISM in a country and then compares racism against Mexicans and Polish people which you take delight in.

YOU then say in your post #466 the joke is centered on the British people seeing Polish people having a low standing in Britiain and NOT because of the large number of Poles coming into Britain which is parallel to the large number of Mexicans coming into the US.

Racism and prejudice against a given group of people is generally based on the prejudiced notion that those people are in the "lower" part of society.

So you as a Brit are proud of the fact that the British have a racist view towards Polish people?

WOW!

Lovely!! LOL

Well at least I get to see your true mentality.


modafinil:
The joke was made by an American, yet the British audience 'got it'.


So what did the British get?

According to that joke, it seems to me the British got the fact that in the UK, there unfortunately is racism in the UK against Polish people the way there is racism against Mexican people in America.

But that's not what YOU get out of the joke. Your take away from the joke is that British people have the viewpoint that Poles are at the lower end of British society and that you take great delight in that. No??





modafinil:
How British hear Americans talk of Mexicans is not dissimilar to how Polish here are spoken of. There is a thread on PF about Alabama and its immigration issues. Started by a Polish immigrant to American, ironically Many of the posts you can swap out the word Mexican for Polish and would not have a problem seeing that as a Conversation happening in England.


So that's a good thing??


So according to you, when the British hear how Americans (not all) talk of Mexicans, which is in a negative way.......the British are not more sophisticated then those unsophisticated Americans who talk negatively about Mexicans? So this is why the British talk negatively about Poles?

You really aren't doing the nation of Britain a service by saying these things about Britain LOL





modafinil:
Below are a few British jokes I have heard that I consider satirical with the first one having a dash of irony.

"
I went down to the local corner-shop earlier.

"Get back to your own country," I shouted. 'Coming here, expecting special treatment.'

'Calm down sir,' he replied.

'I won't,' I plied. 'My mate Mohammed lost his job because of you... Polish prick.'
"


Simple word-play with racism and regarding the flow of Poles to the UK:
"
I was with the missus in Tesco and saw polish remover.
Couldn't help thinking, "Finally, a solution for those bastards next door."
"

There is a tv ad for cleaning products named Mr Muscle, with the tag 'Loves the jobs you hate'.
Simple satire:
"
Mr Muscle... loves the jobs you hate...

He's Polish then.



Yes I see you like dabbling in racism.

What about those famous "Paki jokes" you Brits have?? You Brits seem to like to knock just about everyone LOL

I see you take pleasure in any kind of joke or remark that degrades people.

I've talked to Irish people who came from England and they say the English are into making negative jokes about other people. He said as an Irishman he got a lot of abuse from the English. There are also videos on youtube of English people making joke slurs of various ethnic and racial groups.

You seem to take enjoyment at ethnic slurs about other people, so you probably like those Brits on youtube making ethnic slurs.


modafinil:

Simple word-play with racism and regarding the flow of Poles to the UK:
"
I was with the missus in Tesco and saw polish remover.
Couldn't help thinking, "Finally, a solution for those bastards next door."
"


I thought you told me before the British didn't make jokes about the flow of Polish people coming into Britain?






modafinil:
As for Irish jokes, from what I remember of the school playground they were the equivalent of American Polish jokes, where customs had noting to add except to enforce the idea that Irish were thick when they were the fastest rising immigrant group to England. They still are the largest immigrant population but are less noticeable due to accent, colour etc. I went to Catholic schools I'd guess 80-90% Irish.Though British by birth Poles and Asians were overrepresented in the top sets with Jamaicans invariably in the bottom sets. Yet I have never heard Jamaican jokes about their intelligence as a nation. Possibly jokes aren't allowed to be too close to reality...unless it's satire.


Well there are negative jokes about just about every group of people having inferior intelligence. In America its been about the Polish, Italians, Irish, Mexicans and Blacks.

Its generally pushed by the MEDIA of that nation.

I didn't notice jokes about Irish people having inferior intelligence until Irish people told me about the English people mocking them personally and through their media in England.

In the US, for decades in the 1800's and 1900's there were many jokes about Irish having inferior intelligence as in "Irish and dogs need not apply" and "Irish are like white monkeys". Guess who pushed those bigoted jokes? You guessed it. LOL The English in America who controlled the media at the time.

These anti-Irish jokes started to subside when more Irish got into the media and other fair minded Americans in the media started to highlight these anti-Irish jokes as bigotry. Its similar to how more of the diverse/expanding American media today (like newspapers) is highlighting how old Hollywood/TV media 1960's-1970's inferior intelligence jokes about Polish people is bigotry.
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Edited by: modafinil  Jan 27, 12, 06:49    #470
MediaWatch:
You're obsessed with stereotypes like some kind of child.

Silly simile. Jokes on nationality are based on sterotypes. Is that beyond your ken?

MediaWatch:
My God what a hypocrite you are. YOU are accusing ME of a racist view on Mexicans when YOU were the one who brought up a joke about racism concerning Mexicans and took delight in it?????? Are you out of your mind? Talk about spurious logic.


Hypocrite? You brought up the claim that Mexicans are not capable of rising above. No where was that inferrable by the comedian or me. Voices in your head. If you don't know what the word hypocrite means, it is better to stay silent and be thought a fool instead speaking up and proving it, as one of your formwe presidents quipped.

MediaWatch:


Go back to your post # 463 which contains your joke which is specifically about RACISM in a country and then compares racism against Mexicans and Polish people which you take delight in.


Yep. I find satire delightful, hilarious in fact especially in light of what the PolAms write on PF.
MediaWatch:

YOU then say in your post #466 the joke is centered on the British people seeing Polish people having a low standing in Britiain and NOT because of the large number of Poles coming into Britain which is parallel to the large number of Mexicans coming into the US.

Yep.

MediaWatch:

Racism and prejudice against a given group of people is generally based on the prejudiced notion that those people are in the "lower" part of society.

So you as a Brit are proud of the fact that the British have a racist view towards Polish people?


You do not appear to understand the meaning of racism. The joke is racialist. Your use of the English language is dumbed-down perhaps from too much media watching. Over 90% of Polish are in low-skilled employment. Far from high society. There is a joke about what is the closest a Pole has been to high society. I'll spare you the punchline.

MediaWatch:
So what did the British get?

The joke. That's why people go to see comedians. Duh!

MediaWatch:
You really aren't doing the nation of Britain a service by saying these things about Britain LOL

Britain is not a nation.


MediaWatch:
Yes I see you like dabbling in racism.

What about those famous "Paki jokes" you Brits have?? You Brits seem to like to knock just about everyone LOL

Yes so you shouldn't take it so personally dear boy. The cornershop joke is a "paki joke".But you are too wrapped up in yourself to notice. If you are going to quote read it first, save looking dumb.

MediaWatch:
I see you take pleasure in any kind of joke or remark that degrades people.

You're blind. Not any kind. I am not going to repeat the points on satirical comedy if you are too ignorant to understand what that means after I furnished you with examples. You just gonna have to live with your dulled comprehension. I won't explain satire again.

MediaWatch:
You seem to take enjoyment at ethnic slurs about other people, so you probably like those Brits on youtube making ethnic slurs.

Post them, and I'll let you know.

MediaWatch:
I thought you told me before the British didn't make jokes about the flow of Polish people coming into Britain?

I said it wasn't the central theme of that joke. Loads of jokes about the flow there is a million a year turnover! I suppose the point I made on Irish jokes starting with high immigration was too subtle for you.

MediaWatch:
In the US, for decades in the 1800's and 1900's there were many jokes about Irish having inferior intelligence as in "Irish and dogs need not apply" and "Irish are like white monkeys". Guess who pushed those bigoted jokes? You guessed it. LOL The English in America who controlled the media at the time.

Proof indeed that you do not know the difference between a joke and racist commentary. Were the media sending out these 'jokes' by morse code? After that the main media newspapers were controlled by William R Hearst - a Scottish American who publicly voice his dislike of the British. Pulitzer was the main rival, he wasn't English either far closer to Poland than England. Your knowledge, especially given your name here, makes me laugh all the harder and not just because the irony of it is lost on you - your ignorance of your specialist subject makes you a fool.

MediaWatch:
Its similar to how more of the diverse/expanding American media today (like newspapers) is highlighting how old Hollywood/TV media 1960's-1970's inferior intelligence jokes about Polish people is bigotry.

Newspapers arn't expanding. There contracting. None of the jokes were regarding intelligence. This is your own obsession.
I don't know if all the empty space was a metaphor for you state of mind, it did make it cumbersome to quote. Try wasting less space next time.

@Irlandczyk. Shock Horror! Polish people, it seems, have a sense of humour too!
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Edited by: MediaWatch  Jan 27, 12, 10:59    #471
modafinil:
Silly simile. Jokes on nationality are based on sterotypes. Is that beyond your ken?

You have heard of negative and hateful stereotypes, have you not?
So you think negative stereotypes of Blacks, Jews, Russians, etc are OK?
You have heard of bigoted jokes and racist jokes, haven’t you? Or is that beyond your ken?

What about all those Irish jokes that Douglas Murray of the Telegraph newspaper had on his blog after he asked people in Britain if they knew of any Irishman jokes? Were they funny? Is the stereotype that Irish people have inferior intelligence OK with you?


modafinil:
Hypocrite? You brought up the claim that Mexicans are not capable of rising above. No where was that inferrable by the comedian or me. Voices in your head..


No I was explaining why there is racism against Mexicans in the US in response to your afformentioned joke comparing Mexicans and Polish people. You brought up this joke in furthering your anti-Polish feelings that Polish people are an inferior part of your British society.

So nowhere is it inferable that the comedian who made that joke recognizes that there is racism and negative feelings toward Mexicans in America??? REALLY??? Are you that thick?
So why did the comedian start off a joke about racism (by using the word “RACIST”) that first off contained a reference to Mexicans?? Its a joke about racism and prejudice against groups of people in various countries. Are you too thick to understand that??

If I’m wrong, then you tell me Sherlock. What was the punchline and why were the people laughing?

Here is your comment and joke again:


modafinil:
I'm watching a Reginald D. Hunter stand-up video at the moment. He's an American who makes satirical jokes on race and class differences between the UK and US.
He made the joke that when he went back to America a friend asked him,

'Are they racist over there[in UK]',
He replied,
'Yeah,some.'
His friend then asked
'Do they have Mexicans over there?'
He replied,
'Yeah, but they call them Polish'
Got a big laugh.








modafinil:
You do not appear to understand the meaning of racism. The joke is racialist. Your use of the English language is dumbed-down perhaps from too much media watching. Over 90% of Polish are in low-skilled employment. Far from high society. There is a joke about what is the closest a Pole has been to high society. I'll spare you the punchline.


So tell me, what groups of people have gone to another country in large numbers and started out in the middle class or upper class and did not work their way up from the bottom over the generations??



modafinil:
The joke was made by an American, yet the British audience 'got it'.

modafinil:
The joke. That's why people go to see comedians. Duh!


Don’t avoid my question. If they got the joke as you say, what did they get? What was the punchline of that joke comparing Mexicans and Polish people??


modafinil:
Proof indeed that you do not know the difference between a joke and racist commentary. Were the media sending out these 'jokes' by morse code?


No the newspapers had writers who made Irish jokes about the Irish people as in “Irish and Dogs need not apply” and talk of “Irish white monkeys”. They also had joke cartoons of Irish people.

They pretty much more or less did it the same way a guy who works for the British newspaper Telegraph, Douglas Murray did when he made some Irish jokes not long ago. The difference here in comparison to old American newspapers that made Irish joke comments about the Irish, is the new blog function of newspapers. This guy made some Irish jokes and then asked his readers if they knew of any good Irish jokes and many of them obliged writing a whole bunch of them on the Telegraph blog.

Did you find those Irish jokes funny?

modafinil:
Post them, and I'll let you know.


Lately in the US there have been jokes about Russian stupidity. Do you think those are funny?
Are jokes about stupid Russians funny to you?


modafinil:
Proof indeed that you do not know the difference between a joke and racist commentary. Were the media sending out these 'jokes' by morse code? After that the main media newspapers were controlled by William R Hearst - a Scottish American who publicly voice his dislike of the British. Pulitzer was the main rival, he wasn't English either far closer to Poland than England. Your knowledge, especially given your name here, makes me laugh all the harder and not just because the irony of it is lost on you - your ignorance of your specialist subject makes you a fool.


So you deny that there were any Irish joke slurs or Irish joke cartoons of Irish in old American newspapers??


modafinil:
Newspapers arn't expanding. There contracting.


Hardcopy newspaper circulations are contracting, but their blog presence on the internet is growing substantially. New news services on the internet have also been expanding. That’s what I also meant, but I guess that went over your head.
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Why do I get the feeling that MediaWatch has never left America and certainly doesn't understand the European culture of us all mocking one another freely?
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MediaWatch:
So tell me, what groups of people have gone to another country in large numbers and started out in the middle class or upper class and did not work their way up from the bottom over the generations??

So tell me - in what other European country have a million new people arrived in a five year period? The people who were already there are entitled to express their feelings about this through humour.

I get the feeling that Mediawatch obsesses about ALL Polish jokes. It's a good thing 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' wasn't called 'My Big Fat Polish Wedding' - he'd probably be holding a placard outside the cinema.
MediaWatch:
They pretty much more or less did it the same way a guy who works for the British newspaper Telegraph, Douglas Murray did when he made some Irish jokes not long ago. The difference here in comparison to old American newspapers that made Irish joke comments about the Irish, is the new blog function of newspapers. This guy made some Irish jokes and then asked his readers if they knew of any good Irish jokes and many of them obliged writing a whole bunch of them on the Telegraph blog.

Doug Murray (who was by the way a very longstanding acquaintance of my family) is from Ireland. The Falls Road to be specific, if that means anything to you. He was also blind and was a font of jokes about that too.

You have clearly missed the point of his article, looking for imagined offence without understanding one whit about the context.
delphiandomine:
Why do I get the feeling that MediaWatch has never left America and certainly doesn't understand the European culture of us all mocking one another freely?

Indeed.
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JonnyM:
I get the feeling that Mediawatch obsesses about ALL Polish jokes. It's a good thing 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' wasn't called 'My Big Fat Polish Wedding' - he'd probably be holding a placard outside the cinema.


I also think that he just doesn't understand the European humour - we all mock each other freely, no-one takes offence and everyone is happy. In fact, it's often said that Americans simply don't get European irony - and here is a perfect example.

Mocking Poles is meaningless - they mock us, we mock them and we get on with being Europeans. Meanwhile, Americans take offence on our behalf and succeed in pissing everyone off in the process.
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MediaWatch:
You have heard of negative and hateful stereotypes, have you not?
So you think negative stereotypes of Blacks, Jews, Russians, etc are OK?
You have heard of bigoted jokes and racist jokes, haven’t you? Or is that beyond your ken?

What about all those Irish jokes that Douglas Murray of the Telegraph newspaper had on his blog after he asked people in Britain if they knew of any Irishman jokes? Were they funny? Is the stereotype that Irish people have inferior intelligence OK with you?

You really have the most laughable reasoning skills. How does it follow that negative stereotypes are OK. Oh that's right you don't get it so, oh mighty arbiter of good taste, it is negative. I've already said people here are not so dumb that they can't separate jokes from reality.

Racial profiling is abhorrent to me. Individual jokes I take on merit. For example:
"
A survey asked, Are there too many Poles in the UK?
40% said 'yes'
60% said 'Nie'
"
This is funny to me and I'd bet by Polish in the UK. I would gladly bet money that it is repeated by Poles here in the UK also. If you can't see the humour in the joke. It is playing on something ludicrous and patently not true - you get it straight away or not at all.. Exchanging jokes is close to mandatory amongst men in conversation. The joke that has been made about the Polish Firing Squad for example is funny to me. The nationality isn't important and is an 'insert nation here' joke. That one is actually funniest when you replace Polish with UN as it metaphorically parallels what the UN are like. Jewish rabbi jokes - funny. I havn't read D Adams but I'm sure I'd laugh and some of the posts, most of them. I know plenty of Irish but am able to separate fictional jokes from the reality thery're all successful.

In the UK anyone will admit 2nd generation do better, much better. Children of cleaners can become Doctors. I know first hand of a doctor that came to work at a hospital I worked in who 'boasted' of this. The black ghettos of America - still there and they seem to be getting worse. Still at least you don't make jokes about them, never mind the reality.
At the start of Obama's presidency he was depicted as a dead monkey in American papers wasn't he. Were you up in arms? Did the Polish community write to their senators? Hypocrites. In England only the crudest would make that joke and privately at that amongst racists it would never become currency. It would certainly never reach print.

MediaWatch:

Don’t avoid my question. If they got the joke as you say, what did they get? What was the punchline of that joke comparing Mexicans and Polish people??

I havn't avoided it. I thought it is so obvious and so did everyone in the audience what was to be gotten. Mexicans and Poles are known for being economic migrants, low paid low skilled jobs. How many times...This is like talking to RainMan. I'm pitying you now.

MediaWatch:
So tell me, what groups of people have gone to another country in large numbers and started out in the middle class or upper class and did not work their way up from the bottom over the generations??


There are exceptions, Many from West europe go to Spain or Austrailia to live the life of Reilly. Immigrants from Nigeria come here now with Master's degree in hand. The Brits in Poland seem to be doing well. Some also muck-in with charity work I hear on this site.

MediaWatch:
No the newspapers had writers who made Irish jokes about the Irish people as in “Irish and Dogs need not apply” and talk of “Irish white monkeys”. They also had joke cartoons of Irish people.


I've already said these are not jokes. They are racist commentaries.Not social/observational ones And if acceptable then the readers and the nation are racist. Still havn't shown that these were created by the English.
Do you find looking backwards into the past more important than the present? Is it constructive, or merely whinging.

MediaWatch:
Lately in the US there have been jokes about Russian stupidity. Do you think those are funny?
Are jokes about stupid Russians funny to you?


Russian pop. here is small, I havn't heard them. I've said before show me some. Don't forget the youtube ones of the English that you have seen. I'm interested.

MediaWatch:
So you deny that there were any Irish joke slurs or Irish joke cartoons of Irish in old American newspapers??

I deny your foolish lie about an English conspiracy. Our mockery is equal opportunity - The Paddys, the Jocks, the Frogs...Get over yourself.

MediaWatch:
Hardcopy newspaper circulations are contracting, but their blog presence on the internet is growing substantially. New news services on the internet have also been expanding. That’s what I also meant, but I guess that went over your head

You are wrong. News is now sourced from many locations across the net.Newspaper corps are losing sway. Only the simplest and elderly. still uses one newsfeed like in the days gone by that you keep obsessing over. Couldn't infer that from what you wrote.


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