3 reasons why you hate Poland.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 1, 09, 23:04 #661
Those Poles are not so bad really ;) ;) Yeah, much better than the African Express ;) ;) The express method to following through the roof into God knows what.

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Dec 1, 09, 23:16 #662

1. plastic wc seats that are so light they flap up and down when you open the bathroom door

2. extraordinarily depressing built-in wardrobe-drawer units in mahogany plastic that cover a whole wall to 2.5m height and are adorned with icons and nic-nacs and that everyone (young and old alike) considers 'very smart' ...

3. that white sky

(3.a. that white sky the morning after a Polish wedding and a lot of vodka) (mind you, there is usually sex to cheer one up, it being Poland)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 1, 09, 23:54 #663
Sex to cheer one up, that being Poland?? Really?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,415 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 00:15 #664
3 THINGS: I hate muddy roads/sidewalks/paths/lawns. Everything. And rough roads: And environmental attitude of some Poles:

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Edited by: delphiandomine Dec 2, 09, 00:17 #665

Seanus:

As for Poland, I think PKP gets a bad rap but they shouldn't.

A lot of their problems are caused by national and provincial governments, not by themselves. For example -

'Gifting' Przewozy Regionalne to the provinces when the provinces didn't want it was exceptionally stupid, particularly as the richer provincial governments would rather fund their own services than into the mess of debt that is Przewozy Regionalne. They paid off the debts with the transfer, but did absolutely nothing about the reason *why* PR was in such trouble to begin with.

Allowing PKP Intercity and Przewozy Regionalne to compete is absolutely nonsense at the highest level.

When PKP was split into the thousands of companies, not ensuring a unified ticket system was one of the more interesting disasters - of course PR and Intercity are not going to collaborate if they don't have to!

The transfer of the Posp. trains last winter was another disaster - Intercity didn't want them and pretty quickly cut many of the services. Intercity should've stayed firmly a reservation-only operator - but did the relevant Ministry listen? No!

I could go on - but it's clear to me that weak government, not bad management is the problem.

Incidentally, IC trains are an absolute dream in Poland - uncrowded, comfortable and fairly quick!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 00:47 #666
Your research goes deeper than an experienced black Swedish porn star, delph. How do you do it? Pawian, Scotland has all that too. There are still those that live in the countryside that use/burn a lot of coal. The black adds some contrast to the grey.

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Dec 2, 09, 12:12 #667

DannyJ:

Anyhow i,m still trying to work out (being as i,m so thick) Wot has a German Wall got to do with this so called commie mentality the poles are ment to have??

The dismantling of the Berlin Wall in 1989 is generally seen as a symbol of the collapse of the pseudo-Communist/Socialist regimes in central and eastern Europe. But twenty years on, some institutions in Poland still operate under the same mentality. Not all institutions and certainly not all Poles and most certainly much less so among the younger generations. It's just that I happen to work in one of those institutions ...

kalop	Dec 2, 09, 12:40 #668
1) The Polish nouveau riche....tacky, ignorant, arrogant morons. 2) The complete non existance of customer service. 3) The fact they all have children in their early twenties. 4) The proliferation of kebab and pizza outlets. 5) The avoidance of taking responisibility for anything. 6) The inability to laugh at themselves. 7) The lack of consideration for other road users. 8) The roads....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 13:14 #669
5 and 6 are good points. The never wrongs are hard to bear. The level of seriousness in some places is a joke. I steer clear of those under point 1.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Dec 2, 09, 16:36 #670
kalop: 3) The fact they all have children in their early twenties. Oh, yes, the audacity of those Poles! Why they couldn't depend on massive immigration like the rest of the civilized world? I can totally see why you are upset!

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Dec 2, 09, 17:20 #671

Bzibzioh:

I can totally see why you are upset!

It will probably take a few more decades, but sooner or later the Poles will find out that having kids is a huge investment and responsibility in an increasingly challenging world. And they will also find out that having children at a very young age will cut the best years of their lifes somewhat short. I've seen many, many relationships falling apart because people got married and had kids at an early age. Well, but maybe I just had the wrong friends, who knows... :)

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 17:26 #672
TheOther: And they will also find out that having children at a very young age will cut the best years of their lifes somewhat short. Have to agree with this. Having kids early like that just breeds resentment down the road. Probably should wait to early 30's. You've got to remember there just aren't the jobs anymore to support lots of kids .

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Dec 2, 09, 17:33 #673
TheOther: I've seen many, many relationships falling apart because people got married and had kids at an early age. In the Western world yes, in Poland they stay together as they usually dont have any other viable options.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Dec 2, 09, 17:55 #674
Wroclaw Boy: In the Western world yes, in Poland they stay together as they usually dont have any other viable options. Plus there is lower social acceptability of premarital cohabitation than in the west.

natasiaThreads: 3 Posts: 246 Joined: Jun 21, 08 ♀	Dec 2, 09, 17:55 #675
Seanus: Sex to cheer one up, that being Poland?? Really? well, sex does cheer one up and somehow sex in poland is better than sex in england blimey no idea what kind of hang-ups in me that touches upon ... ! am not going there ; )

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Dec 2, 09, 18:11 #676

Wroclaw Boy:

in Poland they stay together as they usually dont have any other viable options.

Peoples' faith is an important factor, but the catholic church might lose its grip on the younger generation if more and more of the kids live in western countries, don't you think?

scrappleton:

Probably should wait to early 30's.

I agree. You are more mature then and your financial background is much more stable.

Bzibzioh:

Plus there is lower social acceptability of premarital cohabitation than in the west.

That might change once the older generation is gone. Poland is not an island and western culture is very attractive to many youngsters.

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Dec 2, 09, 18:15 #677

TheOther:

Peoples' faith is an important factor, but the catholic church might lose its grip on the younger generation if more and more of the kids live in western countries, don't you think?

I meant financially, i dont think many couples care to much about the Lord when their living in hell everyday. i know of a few couples that just hate each other have children and are totally stuck in rutts, neither could manage financially on their own so they sit it out.

Well yeh western countries mean money and all kinds of other distractions.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 19:27 #678
Sex in Poland is better. Hmm...it must be the language factor ;) ;)

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 19:33 #679
Seanus: Sex in Poland is better. Hmm...it must be the language factor ;) ;) How is sex in Poland in any way better than anywhere else?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 19:40 #680
That was my point, Davie. It's utter crap to speak of it being better in that way. The usual dumb comment that Polish things are somehow better. False pride!

jojo18

Dec 2, 09, 20:46 #681

I can give you more than just 3 reasons!!!

1) Poles are FAKE to foreigners. They are only nice and hospitable because they want to profit from you, they are not genuinely kind. And plus, they treat foreigners better than their own because if you're from another country, then you must be "better." Foreigner to them equals dollars or euros.

2) You can't do normal business in Poland. Yes it's true, you have to go through loophole after loophole just to get something very simple done. Business owners are very sneaky and will do anything to sell you oceanfront property in Warsaw. If you want to live normal in Poland, you have to be constantly on your toes.

3) Thievery and the rudeness! Go to the supermarket and you'll find old women pushing their carts behind you for no reason.

4) Their stubbornness and believing everything they say is the truth, no matter what.

5) My mother-in-law. She is perhaps the most judgmental, critical person I have ever met. She goes to church and criticizes what other people are wearing, calls every woman she sees a "krowa" and is a generally pessimistic and unhappy person. And she's greedy too! Just because you're coming to visit from America, there are expectations that you have to buy everyone and their cousins and neighbors gifts from the Holy Land. I really hate this. Once I bought my sister-in-law's son an outfit, but because it wasn't a brand name, she refused to have him wear it. Disgusting people.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 20:52 #682
Basically I hate that women in Poland do not wear such high heels like in Ukraina.

natasiaThreads: 3 Posts: 246 Joined: Jun 21, 08 ♀	Dec 2, 09, 23:14 #683
jojo18: Their stubbornness and believing everything they say is the truth, no matter what. you got it yes, actually that is the most aggravating thing about poles it makes me want to kill them with my bare hands (sometimes) southern: Basically I hate that women in Poland do not wear such high heels like in Ukraina. they are too fat. they would fall off

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 2, 09, 23:35 #684
natasia: hey are too fat. Polish girls too fat?Reality distortion?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Dec 2, 09, 23:44 #685
jojo18: Their stubbornness and believing everything they say is the truth, no matter what. I like it when Brits are criticizing Poles for having strong opinions while themselves believing that 'whatever people want to do should not be criticized', which is no opinion at all!!! And stubbornness? It's in our genes. We are today an independent country thanks to that.

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Edited by: Steveramsfan Dec 2, 09, 23:44 #686

jojo18:

1) Poles are FAKE to foreigners. They are only nice and hospitable because they want to profit from you, they are not genuinely kind. And plus, they treat foreigners better than their own because if you're from another country, then you must be "better." Foreigner to them equals dollars or euros.

Not my experience.

jojo18:

3) Thievery and the rudeness! Go to the supermarket and you'll find old women pushing their carts behind you for no reason.

I have never had a polish person be rude to me and I have been visiting often for 4 years.

What I hate about Poland is -

1) How hard the language is to speak.

2) How hard it is to understand polish people when they speak.

3) How far away Poland is from where I work.

Bzibzioh:

I like it when Brits are criticizing Poles

It was an American who posted

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Dec 3, 09, 00:02 #687

Bzibzioh

I like it when Brits are criticizing Poles for having strong opinions while themselves believing that 'whatever people want to do should not be criticized', which is no opinion at all!!!

Couldn't agree more. Besides, criticizing isn't always negative; it leads to new points of view. Criticism is just a criticism. Some agree with it, some don't. Some will shout, some will be quiet. It's just our choice; we can find bad sides or we can try to look at matters objectively. However it will be often subjective in some way.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Dec 3, 09, 00:34 #688
jojo18: jojo18 Ya know, staying in Poland isn't obligatory. Find yourself a country where they are rude to foreigners, all businessmen are honest, rudeness and thievery is not heard of, peoples have no strong opinions about anything and judgmental mothers-in-law are ... outlawed. And let me know where this wonderland is. Until then you are just ridiculous.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 02:04 #689
Bzibzioh: And let me know where this wonderland is. Nice :)

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 03:22 #690
Bzibzioh: let me know where this wonderland is. Its michael jacksons place isn,t it...i believe its up for sale if you have few zloty in the bank..

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