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 Dec 17, 08, 12:16    #211
VaFunkoolo:

when you have actually had to run a school, as a business that makes money

So now you have run a school as well as a hotel VaFunkoolo...hmmm, clever guy!!!

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 Dec 17, 08, 19:25    #212
Ooh, amongst many other things... it's not so much about cleverness, more about ambition, drive, taking opportunities and creating luck

What have you achieved ukp?
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 Dec 18, 08, 05:32    #213
VaFunkoolo,
Thank you for your input. I am sure there are as many bad teachers are there are schools. I for one would _not_ moan about being overworked on a 25 hour contract. Even if it takes me 30 minutes to prepare each lesson, that is no more than a standard full time job. However, I do object to this then being annexed by an additional 5/10 hours per week of unpaid work!

I most certainly do not claim that things would be better if I were in charge (and I'm not suggesting you made such an allegation). I am an inexperienced teacher simply wanting a fair deal and an opportunity to grow professionaly. Yes, this includes some simple ideals such as being able to observe experienced teachers and to expect a basic level of respect from my manager which does not include being shouted at accross the length of the school for simply abiding by the student's (AKA customer's) wishes! Maybe these ideals are naive, if so then I'm certainly in the wrong trade.

This would also incluce some basic assistance from the school in matters where I don't speak the language, such as getting a NIP and a bank account. Oh and also, when I have a contract for a guaranteed minimum monthly income, I don't expect an email telling me "by the way, December is special so we're cutting your pay by a third" !! Needless to say, I was not happy and got this resolved pretty damn quick! Which, of course, left my manage not speaking to me for 2 weeks! Except to shout if she thought I breathed at the wrong time!

This is the kind of thing that is annoying. I have no naive ideals of grandure, runing my own school with rows of happy smiling students paying very little and the happiest teachers earning millions. I simply expect some basics which are largely based around mutual respect.

As it happens, I've returned to working in IT building on my 10 years experience in the industry, where I will also teach the staff in the company. This means I can teach privately in the evenings and also do the volunteer work that I really want to do!

kaching! My twopennorth.
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Edited by: ukpolska  Dec 18, 08, 07:18    #214
VaFunkoolo:

What have you achieved ukp?

Well in over seven years of being here I have:
got married,
opened my own company,
built my house,
had a daughter,
The usual things lol

Oh! One more thing, become extremely happy and content :)
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Edited by: VaFunkoolo  Dec 18, 08, 07:28    #215
tonykenny:
Thank you for your input.


Youre welcome. I'm not going to disagree or comment further on what you have said other than to suggest you sell yourself a little higher and stop working with mickey mouse organisations.

ukpolska:
become extremely happy and content :)


Well thats the important thing :)
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 Dec 18, 08, 07:48    #216
Foreigner4:
well i guess it's not just me then, what you guys have been discussing really irks me. what i mean is, that the vast majority of "managers" (if you can call them that) and owners of language schools here have this weird notion that as teachers we don't have options, or worse yet that we don't have to deal with any variables beyond what they perceive (usually none).


The problem, as I see it, is that a good teacher doesn't make a good manager. And equally so, a good manager doesn't always understand what teaching is about. There's one school in Poznań which has a very good Callan teacher as a director, ex state school teacher, brilliant English, etc - but she's a dreadful director. She's brash, rude and has no issues with lying to paying customers just to get them to come back - literally to the point where people are being deluded into believing that they're better than they actually are.

I've managed to make connections with the few good ones in the area but it's like most of them have no concept of what makes a good manager: intolerant? check unimaginative? check irrational? double check. These people see students and teachers as cash cows and nothing more. If the students are happy, then they think the lesson must just be one big party, if the students are working hard then they think the teacher is too strict.


My school operates purely on student satisfaction, thankfully. We're expected to bend, twist and do whatever it takes to make them happy - which is good, because it encourages creativity and keeping them occupied for the entire time. Of course, people are a bit odd and like being bullied into perfect pronouncation (which I don't understand! I'd go mad if someone was correcting my Polish constantly...) - but the deal is that the overall aim is to keep them happy and keep them coming back, because it's what pays our wages.

I'm sure they have no bloody idea what it is they envision their service to be other than a means to pay for their material aspirations.


I'm sure you're right, too. There are exceptions, but as far as I can tell, all the schools in prominent places (like on Plac Wolnosci in Poznan) seem to run as factories. There's even one school here that has glass walls in the classrooms, so you can be observed constantly - which really isn't good for someone's ability to let a lesson flow.

tonykenny:
I've heard many similar stories from the TEFL world, so many 'schools' realyl ripping the teachers off. They don't seems to realise that if they have happy teachers, they have happy students who come back.


It's such a basic thing that it surprises me that more people don't understand it. One interesting example is that some schools insist on their teachers being well dressed - despite the fact that people don't want to be confronted by someone wearing a suit after a long day working.
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 Dec 18, 08, 14:18    #217
Harry:

If you're sick of dealing with "tossy little teachers", perhaps you should stop hiring "tossy little teachers". Although hiring decent teachers would cost more than hiring the dross, which would eat into your profit margin and we can't have that, can we?!

So true. Well said!
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 Dec 18, 08, 15:55    #218
Whatever it takes to make them happy, Delph?

Don't take that to its extremes. Ways and means, man, ways and means ;)
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 Dec 19, 08, 02:17    #219
My language school is quite miserly with the heating. Since it is always so cold in the classrooms, our teachers sometimes argue over which class gets the ONE space heater - however, the boss chides at anyone who uses it. In addition, the secretary opens the lobby window 2-3 times an hour to smoke a cigarette! Sometimes when I am waiting to teach a class, I need to wear my jacket.

I understand that energy is expensive here, but this is part of the cost of doing business...
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 Dec 19, 08, 05:21    #220
In the winter, 4pm looks like 8pm & 8pm looks like midnight.
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 Dec 19, 08, 07:42    #221
delphiandomine:

(which I don't understand! I'd go mad if someone was correcting my Polish constantly...)


I identify with this and yet I partialy disagree. There is a time to correct and a time not to correct. My foreign friends insist that I must correct them all the time. I gently suggest that they allow me to choose when to do so because sometimes communication is more important than accuracy, as we well know. Not only that, if I've just finished a 12 hour day, the last thing I want to do is explain grammar!

On the other hand, when I was on a Polish course and reading out my homework to the class, the teacher would stop at EVERY SINGLE BLOODY ERROR! This was so annoying that nobody actually heard what I had written and the whole point was lost. My manager even asked me to correct grammar at the end of EVERY SENTENCE! Instead, I allow the student to finish what they are saying and help with error when they finish speaking. This allows for them to actually communicate and feel better about doing so. I keep paper handy and have learned to write some errors without losing eye contact with the student. A neat trick if you can manage it so they don't notice you're writing - oh and don't retract the nib on your pen.. that 'click-click' alerts them to the fact you're about to make a note!

You're right, sombody correcting every other word really p*sses you off and you lose confidence too quickly.

T
(this soo needed a new thread)
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 Jan 7, 09, 18:43    #222
http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,6131123,Wielka_akcja_przeciwko_dopalaczom.h tml

great. another legal business f*cked by gaverment...
in short: legal business of selling *legal* drugs /mostly speed-like/, those shops was suddenly checked by Ministry of Finance (??) (ministerstwo finansow) and Sluzba Celna /well... guys who keep guard on borders, track illegal things etc/- and all those checks are with coincidence with fact, that there *will* be a novelisation of anti-drug law.

In short: do not think about opening business in Poland- because one beautiful day you will be stopped- your business will be destroyed- and you will be (probably) punished *before* your business will be illegal.
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 Jan 7, 09, 19:03    #223
Foreigner4:
Harry If you're sick of dealing with "tossy little teachers", perhaps you should stop hiring "tossy little teachers". Although hiring decent teachers would cost more than hiring the dross, which would eat into your profit margin and we can't have that, can we?!

So true. Well said!


Are you sure?

Think about what youre actually saying
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 Jan 12, 09, 02:44    #224
VaFunkoolo:


Foreigner4:
Harry If you're sick of dealing with "tossy little teachers", perhaps you should stop hiring "tossy little teachers". Although hiring decent teachers would cost more than hiring the dross, which would eat into your profit margin and we can't have that, can we?!

So true. Well said!


Are you sure?

Think about what youre actually saying



Can you explain? I'm not sure I understand your response, VaFunkoolo. Surely hiring better teachers will cost more and eat into profit? On the other hand, hiring better teachers will cost attract more students and increase reputation and profit.

I've given up teaching as a job because I can mare more money in IT, in fact twice as much. This gives me time to teach privately and do some voluntary teaching and enjoy it more. I love teaching so this will become a 'professional hobby'.

Toy
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Edited by: VaFunkoolo  Jan 12, 09, 09:22    #225
tonykenny:
Can you explain?


Simple - being a tossy little teacher isn't so much about ability but attitude.

Youre quite right - in theory, hiring qualified and more experienced teachers should potentially mean delivering a better service, increasing reputation and eventually profit - on paper it makes sense, in practice it's not always so straight forward.

Gross margins for many smaller, private language schools are invariably tight and what appears to be a relatively small difference in hourly pay between teacher A and teacher B can, in terms of hours over the course of the month multiplied by number of teachers, become a significant sum.

I recently oversaw the recruitment of teaching staff for a language school - I didn't play a role in the interview process but was asked for my input with decision making and this involved meeting the candidates informally.

With 1 more position to fill, the choice was between a well qualified teacher with experience in the skill-sets needed by the school (IELTS) and somebody fresh off the CELTA but with a couple of years previous experience.

After a short chat with each, the choice was clear - the recent CELTA grad was enthusiastic and full of motivation, the teacher who looked better on paper had an attitude which would only cause problems in the staffroom. Hiring the recent grad would obviously cost the school less, but this wasn't the reason the choice was made.
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 Jan 12, 09, 10:05    #226
VaFunkoolo:

Youre quite right - in theory, hiring qualified and more experienced teachers should potentially mean delivering a better service, increasing reputation and eventually profit - on paper it makes sense, in practice it's not always so straight forward.

To give a good service, the school needs to be well organised and coordinated with managers who know what they're doing. Without clear direction, decent materials, proper programmes of study and decent pay and conditions, you don't have a school, you have a travelling circus selling 90 minute slots with dancing bears.
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 Jan 13, 09, 01:27    #227
Thanks for the replies, now it is a lot more clear! :)


Tony
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 Jan 14, 09, 15:24    #228
1/ there ignorent people
2/they have no respect for anyone else except there own scum'' layabouts and thieves''
3/and chopin >> needed fuckin chopin in half .. god bless

ive added a number (4) = waste of fuckin space
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 Jan 14, 09, 15:46    #229
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have found that they are not so open to foreigners. They seem to have too much respect for their own. I was chatting with a guy in the delicatessen on the market square tonight. He came back from Leeds and is already depressed. He was happy that I spoke Polish so eloquently and understood his predicament. Making the adjustment to Scottish life wasn't so easy when I returned from Asia.

Ignorance is everywhere.
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 Jan 14, 09, 16:18    #230
skrewdriver:
1/ there ignorent people
2/they have no respect for anyone else except there own scum'' layabouts and thieves''
3/and chopin >> needed fuckin chopin in half .. god bless

ive added a number (4) = waste of fuckin space

I couldn't disagree more. I am sure there are some people who would match some of these descriptions, in fact I could name a couple, but, they are in no way indicative of the Polish people on the whole.

OH, but one thing... they cant' seem to organise a piss-up in a brewery!! and that does seem indicative of the people as a whole - in my humble opinion of course!

T

PS. They're, there & their. I can offer some lessons at my standard rate if you like (wink) :)
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 Jan 14, 09, 16:19    #231
Boston is a nice place. My friend is from there.

How dare you criticise Polish farmers as scum. They work very hard here and produce great crops and dairy for peanuts. We can't all command huge salaries. Unlike Scottish farmers who work no harder and have a nice house and 2 cars or more.

Get a grip lad. You seem to have no idea about the realities of Polish life for hard-working Poles. Farmers slave their guts out so people can have their daily staples. A bit of respect, please!!
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 Jan 14, 09, 16:26    #232
I couldn't disagree more. I am sure there are some people who would match some of these descriptions, in fact I could name a couple, but, they are in no way indicative of the Polish people on the whole.

OH, but one thing... they cant' seem to organise a piss-up in a brewery!! and that does seem indicative of the people as a whole - in my humble opinion of course!

T

PS. They're, there & their. I can offer some lessons at my standard rate if you like (wink) :)

sometimes english spelling can become or mean one or the other '' glad u knew what what was said .. dont descreminate .. << could be with a 'y' english thick as a brick can spell what needs to be understood .. thing u need to learn is your roots .. or when something will dig deep into your soul.. and hurt u may say summit
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 Jan 14, 09, 16:30    #233
I was just thinking the same. Why, even a 5-year old boy could understand what he said. Run out and find me a 5-year old boy, I can't make head nor tail of what he said (Marx brothers).

Screwdriver, you are hardly doing yourself a good service.
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 Jan 14, 09, 16:53    #234
In my humble opinion the topic title is as stupid as it could be. There is no reason for me to hate Poland but there are things I dislike about my country and its people. The title of the thread shoud be " The 3 things you hate in Poland".
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 Jan 14, 09, 17:56    #235
McCoy:
In my humble opinion the topic title is as stupid as it could be. There is no reason for me to hate Poland but there are things I dislike about my country and its people. The title of the thread shoud be " The 3 things you hate in Poland".




Ahhhhh, in that case my list would contain: Germans, Russians and Jews! wink wink nudge nudge ;)


Seanus:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have found that they are not so open to foreigners.

I would say that generally we are a very reserved lot. At least until the first bottle of vodka. :)
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 Jan 14, 09, 17:59    #236
I can't fault that. The Japanese were the same. Closed until the sake or shochuu came out.
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 Mar 23, 09, 00:54    #237
1. Postal system
2. Postal system
3. Postal system

75% of the letters I mail get returned because there was an "error in delivery" and I have to resend them and what not. AAAGGGH!
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 Mar 23, 09, 01:37    #238
George8600:
1. Postal system
2. Postal system
3. Postal system

George, when you go to the post office, how do you approach them?
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 Mar 24, 09, 13:53    #239
Seanus:
How dare you criticise Polish farmers as scum

Seanus:
A bit of respect, please!!

Sorry but when their descendants say "Ku*** Ma*" all the time it's kinda hard for me not to look down on em you know.
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 Mar 24, 09, 14:02    #240
Matyjasz:
" The 3 things you hate in Poland".

Matyjasz:
Ahhhhh, in that case my list would contain: Germans, Russians and Jews!

lets make it the 10 things and add gypsies, gays, blacks, commies, masons, arabs and the rest of non white, polish catholics.

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