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isthatu2Threads: 13
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 Jul 26, 11, 01:15    #451
I shouldnt,but, LMFAO :)

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 Jul 26, 11, 01:17    #452
isthatu2

that sideways shooting is cool, innit

And that's possibly a hint. Cool is something that bears no real consequences. You don't show off if it may cost you life - in prison, say.

I am loosely interpreting now, a micro rant. So to get on track again - one thing that changed in those 100 years is attitude to thugs, regardless of multi-culti. Punishment used to be, now it is what it is. Still, punishment is not enough if it takes police an hour to come and stop a maniac.
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 Jul 26, 11, 01:24    #453
No,its not about punishment,never was.
Its a culture shift, a mini arms race took place when a new crowd arrived who were prepared to use extreme violance far more randomly than the old lags did. "Natives" needed to "tool up" and so,much like the east west arms race a stupid amount of weapons arrived and were mostly used by those on the fringes. That mixed with the glamourising of LA gang culture and you end up with kids tooling up to sort out the sort of stuff that even in my day in the 90s would have at most ended up with a bit of a staring out contest or one or two punches.
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 Jul 26, 11, 01:53    #454
isthatu2No,its not about punishment,never was.

Oh, it is. When you risk being hung for robbery, it makes you think. When it's two years in comfort, what the fck.

isthatu2Its a culture shift, (..) in the 90s would have at most ended up with a bit of a staring out contest or one or two punches.

That's the thing I kept in my mind all the time. Culture is important. For example, there's as many knives in Poland as in England, but no stabbing culture. No knife-carrying culture, except some regions despised widely for this very reason.

And no gun culture. So if I were to introduce freedom of gun ownership, it would be like what somebody already said, similar to driving license.

Still, it's not quite about those gangs. I don;t think legal gun ownership would solve this particular problem. It's about common, private crime, businesslike thing, to get money or enjoy power.
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 Jul 26, 11, 01:58    #455
a country like Poland it wont be good because that could only increase crime and poverty which in all won't help the people. the right to won guns have never been a good security policy.
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 Jul 26, 11, 01:58    #456
many moons ago crims used to carry shooters but very rarely used them,fast forward a few years and those "old families" were being muscled out by gangs from,lets say Jambadosidad where shootings and uprisings on the streets back home were day to day events,although with all the ganja I dont know where they got the energy.
Synchronicity combined in the early 80s,righteous anger followed by economic down turn followed by the rise of gang culture in LA by people our own sons of newcomers felt they could relate too.
You see footage of any gun crime in London or manchester and even if these days its a multi kulti meld of all races they all have two things in common, pants hanging below their arses and preposterous side ways shooting of pistols

Yep. The US black thug culture has led the proliferation of gun violence. The Left here has tried to use this is their effort to disarm everyone, as if everyone was as angry and childishly irresponsible.
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 Jul 26, 11, 20:00    #457
The bipartisan US Congress won't be going along with Obama/ UN gun control treaty:


Ratification requires two-thirds of the Senate. So far 57 senators have said they would vote against the treaty

"Our country's sovereignty and the Second Amendment rights of American citizens must not be infringed upon by the United Nations," Moran wrote in the letter. "Today, the Senate sends a powerful message to the Obama Administration: an Arms Trade Treaty that does not protect ownership of civilian firearms will fail in the Senate. Our firearm freedoms are not negotiable."

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democr ats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty

Sorry, one-world gun-grabbers. ;)
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 Apr 11, 12, 00:39    #458
Merged: Is gun ownership legal in Poland?

Gun ownership is legal in the U.S..I was just curious if this is so in Poland
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 Apr 11, 12, 00:50    #459
The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?
Apparently not.
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 Apr 11, 12, 01:11    #460
p3undone:
Gun ownership is legal in the U.S..I was just curious if this is so in Poland

Maybe compare murder rates between the two countries and make a wild guess.
Basically, people with a good reason to own a firearm can.
The pro gun lobby in the US constantly lies about European gun laws just to stir fear. Ive no criminal record or history of severe mental disorders so,if I wanted to I can get a firearms licience pretty easily here in the UK. Maybe not some of the absurd stuff I could own in the US (come on,who needs assault rifles for hunting or *home defence* ?) but certainly something that could put a stop to,say, a two legged Deer if I needed to ;)
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 Apr 11, 12, 01:19    #461
isthatu2:
if I wanted to I can get a firearms licience pretty easily here in the UK.

yeah but can you get a gun in the bank when opening an account? :)


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 Apr 11, 12, 07:22    #462
I would support more funding for education first. When a population is well-educated and has opportunities then that population, with or without guns will be a peaceful one.
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 Apr 11, 12, 07:36    #463
I thought only Americans believe that if everyone had a gun, there would be no victims.
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 Apr 11, 12, 08:11    #464
I didn't notice the previous thread.As for pro gun lobbyists lying about Europe I wouldn't know.People often cite the murder rate of the U.S.
when this issue comes up.How many of these murders involve a gun?You'd be surprised.The Media sensationalizes it so much that you
would think it is commonplace to witness a shooting here.It's not.It's not as easy to obtain a gun legally here as one might think.It is easier
down south,but still not a cakewalk.I believe in the right to bear arms.When I lived in Alaska I owned several and had a lot of fun target
shooting.They are also good for protection should the need arise.It was easier then to get guns.Early 90's.
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Edited by: kondzior  Apr 11, 12, 09:27    #465
While I do find it iritating, that despite having no criminal record etc, despite fulfilling all the requirements for owning a gun, some random policeman have decided that I "don't really need it".
On the other hand, American style gun ownnership? Is it good for defence? I don't think so. Without guns, if I am being attacked by some thugs, I do stand some chance to defend myself, or to escape. But, if both I and them, are armed though... I am dead meat, no point to even try to run away.
Also, I can imagine football hooligans, going down the street, shooting theirs shotguns at random cars, or windows, if one can just buy long gun in a shop.
As it is now, even the "dedicated" criminals, that would be able to illegally acquire a gun, may choose not to, as owning the gun, that say, was found during random search in his house, is enough to send him into prison.
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 Apr 11, 12, 09:47    #466
I'm thinking more along the lines of home invasion.You can deter someone pretty quickly.You do have people who are irresponsible and
do stupid things with guns;but by and large this is not the case.Where I live in Massachusetts the gun laws are probably the toughest
the country.It is a mandatory year in prison for an unregistered gun.
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 Apr 11, 12, 10:13    #467
p3undone:
I'm thinking more along the lines of home invasion.


That sort of home invasion common in some countries is non existent in Poland. In Argentina simply having a gun isn't enough, you have to kill your attackers as even shooting them once isn't sufficient.
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 Apr 11, 12, 10:18    #468
The thing is, America had had a cenuries to get used to gun ownage, to develop a gun culture. That would eventually happen in Poland as well. But the process of getting there, it would be rather painfull decades.

As for home invasion, if it ever happens to me, I have prepared... well let me just call it a blunt weapon. And I'd feel much safer wielding my blunt weapon against thugs armed with, say, knives, then shooting a gun at the bandit, who shoots back.

Hovever, I'd not mind if there was clear set of requirements, very harsh ones, for geting a gun license. As it is now, even if you fulfilled them with flying colors, it is still up to police' whim if they grant the license to you or not. 99% of the cases, you dont get it anyway, no explanation given.
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 Apr 11, 12, 10:50    #469
If someone attacks me in my house with a gun I'd rather have a gun;If they don't you can just flash it and you don't have to hurt any one.
Has there ever been a push to own guns in Poland,Peterweg?I agree with Kondzior about Poland having to develop a gun culture.I am
just curious about how the Polish view gun ownership.Is there hunting in Poland.I mean for food not sport.
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Edited by: nunczka  Apr 11, 12, 10:58    #470
People in Poland have no need for a gun. Compared to America Poland is pretty well crime free. But with Multiculturism it will come.

America is close to a race war.. Read some American Papers and get educated.. We have a bad minority problem..Whites are attacked on the streets, we have home invasions, and drug problems.. White's are fleeing our cities in droves. Even the liberals are starting to arm themselves. America is a war zone youtube=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126736/Shocking-video -tourist-getting-beaten-crowd-bystanders-laughs-Baltimore-St-Patricks- Day-parade.html]
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 Apr 11, 12, 11:17    #471
I don't know what He's talking about.Booze and St.Paddy's, a volatile mix!How is the crime rate in Poland?If anyone would answer my
previous questions I'd appreciate it.My belief in the right to bear arms doesn't only have to do with crime.
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 Apr 11, 12, 11:54    #472
p3undone:
If someone attacks me in my house with a gun I'd rather have a gun;If they don't you can just flash it and you don't have to hurt any one.


You or your family are 1000 times more likely to accidentally kill yourself before you are ever attacked in your home. If you have a gun there is no point to flash it, train to use it and use it. Its not a badge.

p3undone:
Has there ever been a push to own guns in Poland,


No, not really.
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 Apr 11, 12, 16:03    #473
nunczka:
Compared to America Poland is pretty well crime free.

perhaps, but I can't help but think you're only accounting for violent crime in your interpretation. There's plenty of crime here in terms of low level corruption. Alas, when we think of criminals we, often mistakenly, don't usually picture men and women in designer clothing
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 Apr 11, 12, 17:18    #474
Foreigner4:
nunczka:
Compared to America Poland is pretty well crime free.

perhaps, but I can't help but think you're only accounting for violent crime in your interpretation. There's plenty of crime here in terms of low level corruption. Alas, when we think of criminals we, often mistakenly, don't usually picture men and women in designer clothin


Yes , You are right in your assumption. At one time America was very much like todays Poland. But after the 1960 America was starting to go down hill. The black birth rate exploded. Girls as young as 14 were begining to give birth to illigitimate children at the rate of 75% i. The are no Fathers. The Government supported them and they continue to multiply. In 20 years it is said that the white people will be a minority in America. They are allowed to roam the streets in packs, like Jackals attacking anybody. White neighborhoods are being destroyed by white flight. All that it takes is for one family to move in,and the for sale signs go up. No city is safe anymore.

Gun sales have gone through the roof.. Manufacturers cant keep up with the demand. Ammunition is scarce.. My wife carries a Glock 40 at all times We have a stand your ground law in Florida that allows on to use a weapon in self defence. We along with many others spend a lot of time on the gun range.
Along with myself, my wife has become a good shot. I carry a heavier gun.. An ACP Colt 45.. No. We are not Cowboys.. This is what America is like today

http://thugreport.com/

Enjoy Poland while you can.. It is heading your way.
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 Apr 11, 12, 17:28    #475
Peterweg,Where did you get a statistic like that?If you can flash a gun on someone who broke into your house with say a club in his
hand,disaster averted.If they see the barrel of the gun.It's a pretty safe bet they will desist.Let's say a 1000 to 1 they will.
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 Apr 11, 12, 23:55    #476
peterweg:
If you have a gun there is no point to flash it, train to use it and use it.

Exactly.
Dont you ever consider that criminals who break into Homes in the US carry guns BECAUSE the owner probably has guns?
Euro house breakers tend to be armed with a screw driver, a cricket bat trumps that every time :)
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Apr 12, 12, 00:01    #477
isthatu2:
a cricket bat trumps that every time :)

so much more civilized don't you think?
I keep a cricket bat behind the front door, such a great weapon, (especially against zombies)
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 Apr 12, 12, 00:15    #478
rozumiemnic:
so much more civilized don't you think?

Well,to be honest, Ive a Louisville Slugger,old school wooden Baseball bat :)
Used to carry it in my car when I had to drive in some of the less classy parts of the country,a few mates on the force so I always had my mit and a couple of Baseballs in the car too ;)
As for Zombies,Ive still plenty of 33s and a trunk full of 45s for that :)
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 Apr 12, 12, 02:57    #479
Some people attack with knives,Not as many Americans own guns as you may think.Quite a bit do not.If someone comes through
the door with a gun,I want a gun to answer with.The only flash is going to be from a muzzle.I'm not going to take a chance with a
bat.
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Edited by: Foreigner4  Apr 13, 12, 09:20    #480
nunczka:
Yes , You are right in your assumption. At one time America was very much like todays Poland. But after the 1960 America was starting to go down hill. The black birth rate exploded. Girls as young as 14 were begining to give birth to illigitimate children at the rate of 75% i. The are no Fathers. The Government supported them and they continue to multiply. In 20 years it is said that the white people will be a minority in America. They are allowed to roam the streets in packs, like Jackals attacking anybody. White neighborhoods are being destroyed by white flight. All that it takes is for one family to move in,and the for sale signs go up. No city is safe anymore. Gun sales have gone through the roof.. Manufacturers cant keep up with the demand. Ammunition is scarce.. My wife carries a Glock 40 at all times We have a stand your ground law in Florida that allows on to use a weapon in self defence. We along with many others spend a lot of time on the gun range.Along with myself, my wife has become a good shot. I carry a heavier gun.. An ACP Colt 45.. No. We are not Cowboys.. This is what America is like today

It seems like you're focusing on symptoms. I will state this again: I firmly believe when a population is well educated and enjoys opportunities to fairly improve their lives then they are a happy and relatively peaceful bunch. I am not aware of any exceptions to this. Colour doesn't matter in that respect. Colour can only indicate with whom there is a problem but it doesn't solve WHAT that problem is. And NO colour is not the problem.


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