Do Russians and Poles get along?

Wladyslaw III

Nov 24, 08, 14:48 #1

Here in Milwaukee and Chicago I've noticed that Russians/Serb/Poles get along very well here in this part of the country, but is this the same over in Poland or Russia?

I know the politicians don't get along but what about the people? If I were to go over to Russia how would I be greated? and the same if a Ruskie came over to Polska how would they be recieved ? is there any hatred left over from the war?

Lotnik767Threads: 6 Posts: 210 Joined: Nov 12, 08 ♂	Edited by: Lotnik767 Nov 24, 08, 14:54 #2
Yes the normal people do but not the Governments! You will go to Russia they will find out you are Polish they will think you are a spy and kill you! Ruski comes to Poland then he opens up a business is successful you work for him. Ruskie are treated good in Poland!

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Nov 24, 08, 14:54 #3

A workmate of mine was telling me about the people with whom he shares a house. There is a mixture of Poles, Slovaks and a Russian. He said that the Russian bloke seems to think that being Russian means he's the boss. We've had the same kind of mix at work, and there was once a problem with a drunken Russian swearing and getting violent (he didn't like Poles or English people!) But by and large, other than him, they all seemed to get on alright.

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Nov 24, 08, 15:13 #4

Lotnik767:

You will go to Russia they will find out you are Polish they will think you are a spy and kill you!

Joke, right?

Wladyslaw, normal educated Russians have friendly and (or) even fraternal attitude toward Poles. Nobody is safe of course from hostile attitude but it's an exception rather than a rule. You don't have to worry if you come to Russia...
Can't say anything for sure about Polish attitude... but it seems to be worse judging at least by the topics.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 15:18 #5
Lotnik767: Lotnik767 What hatred spews from that mouth of yours... It is distorted view points like yours, from both the Polish and Russian side of the boarder, which are slowing negotiations down. It is in our best interests to cooperate and form a stronger economic partnership.

CheeryThreads: 26 Posts: 206 Joined: Nov 17, 08 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 15:26 #6
Filios1: It is in our best interests to cooperate and form a stronger economic partnership. enough of 'partnerships'! I'm tired of hearing about partnerships this, partnerships that.. annoying, annoying, annoying... it's all just so bloody annoying!

Lotnik767Threads: 6 Posts: 210 Joined: Nov 12, 08 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 15:27 #7
I really don't hate any one, but I will agree people should work together to make the future better.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 15:32 #8
Cheery: annoying, annoying, annoying... it's all just so bloody annoying Thanks for your input.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 15:35 #9
It depends how you perceive partnerships. Usually, it benefits one party more than the other but not necessarily.

Wladyslaw III	Nov 24, 08, 15:51 #10
I have never met a Russian in Milwaukee/Chicago that has been rude to me or mean. They seem very happy to meet you then we usually go to the bar for a shot and were instantly friends, a sort of bond forms. This goes the same for Serbs and Ukranians as well. If some one is nice to me then I'm nice back.

CheeryThreads: 26 Posts: 206 Joined: Nov 17, 08 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 16:14 #11
Time enough for a bath, I hope. Dirty business, you know. Ah, best bring a change of clothes too.

Wahldo	Nov 24, 08, 17:48 #12
osiol: He said that the Russian bloke seems to think that being Russian means he's the boss. Maybe he's the real life "Boris the Blade". Jk Wladyslaw III: Russian in Milwaukee/Chicago that has been rude to me or mean. Same here, usually affable people for the most part.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 18:01 #13
From what I have seen, Poles and Russians (outside of their native habitats) are more likely to get on well than say, Poles and Lithuanians. Having said that, there may be a tendency amongst some (perhaps many) Russians to feel some kind of natural authority based on the history of Russia in relation to other eastern European countries... sorry, I mean eastern and central European countries.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 08, 18:17 #14
I have seen that Poles,Czechs and Russians get along very well although when confronted they may not admit it.

Wladyslaw III	Nov 24, 08, 20:47 #15
Poles and Lith's dont get along????

Dawid	Nov 24, 08, 23:23 #16
Read your history books people.

Jaskolka	Sep 2, 09, 00:34 #17
I am an American of Polish ancestry. I have lived with people of Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Slovak and Russian ancestry. I never knew we didn't get along until I started to read Slavic and church history. When will we ever learn.

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Oct 3, 09, 20:35 #18

Outraged Poles tear down posters
AFP
October 2, 2009
Warsaw - A Polish arts festival said on Thursday its attempt to trigger serious historical debate through posters of naked women fighting backfired when self-declared "public morality" defenders ripped them down.
The images, displayed in the streets of the eastern city of Lublin as part of a theatre festival, were meant to represent the tumultuous relationship between Poland and Russia, according to festival director Janusz Oprynski.
Around 12 images of two women attacking one another and exchanging insults, which the director said was a "provocative allegory" to fit in with the festival's theme of Russian art.
The posters were by Russian artists The Blue Nose Group, known for their controversial works, the director said. But some people were so shocked by the posters they decided to rip them from the city's streets, the director said. "People claiming to defend public morality have destroyed everything," Oprynski lamented. "Fortunately, we have already been able to print the posters again," he said. "They will be put up again on Thursday, and will be better protected."
Lublin's theatre festival this year brings together 18 theatre companies as well as film directors, visual artists and musicians. Many participants come from former Soviet countries and Japan.

AdamKadmon

Apr 16, 10, 00:38 #19

Apr 16, 10, 05:46 - Thread attached on merging:
Incompatibility of temper

In many threads on this forum there is returning theme of Polish-Russian relations. It is worth to have in mind what Czasław Miłosz wrote in his book Native realm.

Poles and Russians do not like each other, or, to be more exact, they harbor all sorts of uncomplimentary feelings, ranging from contempt to disgust and hatred, for one another. Whatever vague mutual attraction exists between them is always tinged with suspicion. The barrier seems to have arisen from what Joseph Conrad called “incompatibility of temper.”
Perhaps all nationalities, seen as wholes and not as assortments of individuals, are odious, and their neighbors uncover in them only what are unpleasant truths about human societies in general. It may well be that what the Poles know about the Russians the Russians know about themselves but are unwilling to acknowledge, and vice versa. A defensive reflex may lie beneath the hostility with which Dostoevsky, a nationalist, regarded the Poles. Only in [i]Notes from the House of the Dead does he speak of them with respect. And even then those fellow-prisoners, shielding themselves with their patriotism and Roman Catholicism, stressing their superiority over their environment and their otherness at every opportunity, do not awaken in him any warmth of feeling. Similarly for Poles, every encounter with Russians puts them on the defensive because it unmasks them in their own eyes.[/i]

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 07:30 #20
Which chick is the heavy weight, the Pole or the Russian?

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Edited by: Velund Apr 16, 10, 08:57 #21

Chicago Pollock:

Which chick is the heavy weight, the Pole or the Russian?

It pretend to be Russian (see Kokoshnik on their head, though I cannot remember such style of decoration to being traditional for any region). ;)

The only time I seen such furious face (and very similar scene) is while being university student. ;) Ukrainian girl come back home to campus and found that their boyfriend (hot guy from Azerbaijan) almost completed to undress their roommate (looks like she was too quite enthusiastic about this). ;)

Fortunately, there was no sharp or heavy objects handy. ;) Little hair loss and roommates swap - all that happened. ;)

AlbinoniThreads: - Posts: 7 Joined: Jan 22, 11 ♀	Jan 22, 11, 17:03 #22
Well, I learn Polish in Germany at the moment and so far experienced different attutudes of my teachers to me as native Russian speaker. Normally they are friendly and helpful indeed, and I am very grateful to them! but for one, who was a real misery, which for the most part only ignored me...

PennBoyThreads: 147 Posts: 3,270 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jan 22, 11, 17:08 #23
Albinoni: Normally they are friendly and helpful indeed, and I am very grateful to them! It's the older generation that has something against them, younger Poles don't have nothing against Russians, like i said I live in the States and got Russian friends, they're friendly people and will help you if you need something, just gotta give them a chance.

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Jan 22, 11, 17:43 #24

They generally don't, unfortunately.

I think that's because the two peoples are very similar genetically and in culture, but the Poles always looked to the West and adopted a "Western" religion, while the Russians are more Eastern/Byzantian. And the Ukrainians are torn in the middle (read Taras Bulba and you will understand!) :)

So they are similar enough for the differences to jar/clash the most, if you know what I mean?
They are not enemies, and not strangers (so they can't ignore and act in a civil manner), but they are like really annoying family members that always fight at family gatherings and hate each others guts?

PennBoyThreads: 147 Posts: 3,270 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jan 22, 11, 17:54 #25
Wiedzmin_fan: So they are similar enough for the differences to jar/clash the most, if you know what I mean? You know what they say "the most problems are always in the family" Wiedzmin_fan: Taras Bulba I liked the movie :-) http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/action_adventure/watch/v195 66629BJq6d9mz

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jan 22, 11, 17:58 #26
It is the ewige Frage.Who drinks more die Russen oder die Polen?

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,143 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Edited by: Des Essientes Jan 22, 11, 18:20 #27
Taras Bulba has one or Taras' sons joining the Poles because of a beautiful Polish maiden. Taras duly kills this son and Gogol thinks this filicide is justified because his sympathies were wholly on the side of Russia. Now that the Ukraine is no longer under Russian suzerainty it would be interesting to know how this novella is judged by the Ukrainians of today.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jan 22, 11, 18:35 #28
Wiedzmin_fan: the two peoples are very similar genetically and in culture, that is a nonsense and wishful thinking

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Jan 22, 11, 18:54 #29

Ironside:

that is a nonsense and wishful thinking

Not quite, the latest genetics tests proved that Russians and Czechs are closest to Polish people, more than even thought up to this point.
"This was also true for us Poles. Genetically, as geographically, we are a North-Central-Eastern European group. Our closest kin are other Northern Slavs, such as Czechs and Russians, while our nearest non-Slavic relatives appear to be North Germans, Hungarians and Swedes. It's a pity the scientists largely ignored the Baltic states, because it's very likely that samples from these countries would also show close affinity to Poles. Novembre et al. managed to test one Latvian, who clustered just north east of the average Polish position." http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2008/11/european-genes-mirror-geograph y-from.html

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jan 22, 11, 19:02 #30
PennBoy: that Russians and Czechs are closest to Polish people, more than even thought up This is quite reasonable if you see the faces of peoples of these nations.I bet the average foreigner cannot tell them apart.

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