Why do Silesians call people from Warsaw "Gorole"?

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Edited by: cdnpp Apr 21, 10, 09:42 #1

Silesians sometimes complain about 'gorole'. At first, I thought they were referring to the Gorole of southern Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorals
but it appears that quite often they're referring to people from Warsaw... I assume they're being sarcastic since from my limited knowledge of Polish geography, there aren't any mountains in Masovia. But why use a name that will cause so much confusion? Does this have something to do with the fact that some Silesians want autonomy but there's less interest in the southern part of Silesia associated with Gorole. So perhaps that's how Gorole became conflated with Warsaw.. maybe they think the Gorole are on Warsaw's side?

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ziemowit Apr 21, 10, 09:50 #2
The Silesians call "gorole" the rest of people of Poland other than themselves, the native people of Upper Silesia. For themselves they will use the name "hanysy". The use of "gorole" by Silesians should not be confounded with the use of "górale" in standard Polish in which it will mean "highlanders".

not_guiltyThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Apr 21, 10 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 09:53 #3
Well I cannot answer all your questions regarding the word gorol where it came from but from what I understand that word refers to all people who are from outside of Silesia. Not only Warsaw but any place in Poland for that matter. The word gorol has nothing to do with the word goral which refers to highlanders up in the mountains.

cdnppThreads: 1 Posts: 4 Joined: Apr 21, 10 ♀	Apr 21, 10, 10:01 #4
For some reason I thought gorol was another form of goral.. Wikipedia also seems to think so. They give gorole as the Cieszyn Silesian term for highlanders.

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Apr 21, 10, 10:36 #5

cdnpp:

Wikipedia also seems to think so. They give gorole as the Cieszyn Silesian term for highlanders.

It may be the case. In the language of Cieszyn Silesians, the term "gorole" may mean exactly what it means in standard Polish (górale), as opposite to the language of the rest of Upper Silesia. Cieszyn Silesia had been separated from the Prussian part of Upper Silesia from 1741 until 1919 as a part belonging to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Even before 1741 Cieszyn Silesia was a seperate entity known as the Principality of Cieszyn.

smurfThreads: 46 Posts: 660 Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 12:03 #6
plus anything that annoys Warsaw natives is always fun ;-P

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Apr 21, 10, 13:41 #7

The Polish oldtimers in Hamtramck, MI used to call Negroes "Warszawiacy", maybe so they wouldn't know they were being talked about. Many blacks living there kknew some Polish and knew what "czarne" meant. In Caro, MI (some 170 km the north of there) one old Polish immigrant used the term kaszuby for all non-Polish people including Americans jabbering away in English. All traditonal communities are wary of outsiders and sometines find unusual ways of labelling htem.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 13:48 #8
Polonius3: to call Negroes "Warszawiacy", lol Polonius3: All traditonal communities are wary of outsiders and sometines find unusual ways of labelling htem. hmm interesting You effy person :p

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:01 #9
I hate Hanysy! :-) How was it? "Gdy dorośniesz synu mój Całe Bielsko weźmiesz w bój Katowice całe spal, spal, spal Niech Hanysy mają bal, bal, bal

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:27 #10
smurf: plus anything that annoys Warsaw natives is always fun ;-P We're never really annoyed as we consider everyone else hicks except for Cracovians. We reserve special words to describe them. He,he

Drac90Threads: 2 Posts: 120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 22:53 #11
1jola: We reserve special words to describe them. He,he and what that might be?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 30, 10, 02:26 #12
Drac90: and what that might be? KRAKUSY!!!!! damn krakuses !!

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Apr 30, 10, 02:32 #13
1jola: special words frd: KRAKUSY!!!!! damn krakuses !! thank you very much ;)

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 30, 10, 03:00 #14
pgtx: thank you very much ;) What? : o Born and bred silesian here, I know my dictionary :p

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