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Aug 28, 10, 15:54 #1

It is widely known known that Amsterdam is the homo capital of Europe (clubs, publications, events, even openly paedophilia-promoting groups, etc.), so I was surprised to learn that it is also a major centre for curing homosexuals. This is a super no-no to homo activists, but why deprive those who want it of that option? There are procedures to remove or attach penises (trans-geneder types), cultivate breasts and other such bizarre practices which are not only accepted but actually promoted as a celebration of individual choice. At least curing a homo of his prefernece gives him a chance to live longer. (Active male homosexuals live at least 20 years less on average.) Are such medical options already avbailable in Poland?
For those who read Polish:
http://homoseks.blox.pl/2008/01/LECZENIE-HOMOSEKSUALIZMU.html

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 15:58 #2
Mods, please delete this thread. It is offensive for gay men and denies people their choice. They are aware of the risks of their choice to be with other men and informed consent is involved. It's none of your business with all due respect, Pol 3. It's not a disease, it's a reality of life which doesn't harm broader society.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:00 #3
Difficult to know. Because these clients/clinics are probably very discrete in PL. I don't think it's something they promote in traditional ways.

jedenThreads: - Posts: 297 Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂	Edited by: jeden Aug 28, 10, 16:06 #4
It is offensive for gay men and denies people their choice. why ? Everybody knows that homosexualism is a diseas/ or the kind of defect, and some of gays want to be cured. Let them know where they can do it in Poland. If we can discuss on PF where gays can go to the party in Poland we can also talk about this.

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Edited by: zetigrek Aug 28, 10, 16:14 #5

Punktem wyjścia w terapii jest założenie, że pociąg do własnej płci nie jest - jak to przedstawiają działacze ruchu gejowskiego - wrodzony, uwarunkowany genetycznie lub hormonalnie. Nowojorski psychiatra Lawrence Hatterer uważa takie teorie za "dziewiętnastowieczne". Jak dotąd nie powiodła się żadna z licznych prób odnalezienia "genu homoseksualizmu" ani ośrodka w mózgu odpowiadającego za pociąg do własnej płci. Nawet wielu bardzo życzliwych gejom seksuologów uważa, że źródłem homoseksualizmu są "nabyte preferencje".

Never heard about "gene" of homosexualism. I rather heard about hormonal abberation during pregnancy which leads to homosexualism.

Neveretheless even if its just a deviation it doesn't change for me the fact its none of my business who is sleeping with who (of course under the rule its legal). So go shag even your table if you like or shag yourself with a table leg ;>

PS
I think that political correctness about the idea of curing gays being downright offensive its also an overstatement. Seanus where's yout famouse "some are some aren't"... You've always liked to discuss things useing broader perspective ;)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:15 #6
this is maybe the stupidest thread yet.. definitely from you p3.. cure homos? wow really.. can your condition be cured? sheesh btw. there are some church based "curing" camps in PL

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Aug 28, 10, 16:24 #7

There exist homo treatment clinics -- I did not invent them or set them up and merely wondered whether this was also the case in Poland. Nobody said this should be mandatory treatment for homos in general but only those who seek it. And such people also exist. And they do are entitled to theri human rights, aren't they? But even mention the fact that such an option exists and the homo crowd goes bananas.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Aug 28, 10, 16:25 #8
Plk123 has the idea here. It really is pointless discussing this with many Poles, no offence intended here. Jeden, close to everyone in Poland, yes. Would you agree that the great majority of people who know they have diseases go and get them treated? Well, most gays don't and you have to ask yourself why. What is the "homo crowd", Pol3?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:26 #9
Polonius3: There exist homo treatment clinics -- I did not invent them or set them up and merely wondered whether this was also the case in Poland. we don't have any clinics. But i think there are lots of therapists who claims rhey can cure a gay.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:29 #10
I know a gay man in Poland and 3 others in the world. None of them feel the need to get 'cured' because they don't fit the norm. Maybe I should get cured for having red hair, co?

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Edited by: zetigrek Aug 28, 10, 16:35 #11

Seanus:

I know a gay man in Poland and 3 others in the world. None of them feel the need to get 'cured' because they don't fit the norm. Maybe I should get cured for having red hair, co?

Well curing them would be a pretty difficult brain-wash. The whole curing is probably about telling yourself like matre: "I'm not gay", "I'm not horny when see a man"... while you can easy go to shop and dye your hair :)

What I mean by broader perspective is that most western countries gives ppl a right so called freedom of speech and freedom of views as they believe society will find self balance.

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Aug 28, 10, 16:37 #12

The World Health Organization's ICD-9 (1977) listed homosexuality as a mental illness; it was removed from the ICD-10, endorsed by the Forty-third World Health Assembly on May 17, 1990.[61][62] Like the DSM-II, the ICD-10 added ego-dystonic sexual orientation to the list, which refers to people who want to change their gender identities or sexual orientation because of a psychological or behavioral disorder (F66.1). The Chinese Society of Psychiatry removed homosexuality from its Chinese Classification of Mental Disorders in 2001 after five years of study by the association.[63] According to the Royal College of Psychiatrists "This unfortunate history demonstrates how marginalisation of a group of people who have a particular personality feature (in this case homosexuality) can lead to harmful medical practice and a basis for discrimination in society.[59] There is now a large body of research evidence that indicates that being gay, lesbian or bisexual is compatible with normal mental health and social adjustment. However, the experiences of discrimination in society and possible rejection by friends, families and others, such as employers, means that some LGB people experience a greater than expected prevalence of mental health and substance misuse problems. Although there have been claims by conservative political groups in the USA that this higher prevalence of mental health difficulties is confirmation that homosexuality is itself a mental disorder, there is no evidence whatever to substantiate such a claim."[64]

Taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

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Edited by: McCoy Aug 28, 10, 16:37 #13

Seanus:

Mods, please delete this thread. It is offensive for gay men and denies people their choice. They are aware of the risks of their choice to be with other men and informed consent is involved. It's none of your business with all due respect, Pol 3.It's not a disease, it's a reality of life which doesn't harm broader society.

man, youre such an ass. stupid questions offence only stupid people. who gives a fcuk about fags and their problems. if there were no gays who want to take the terapy there would be no such a clinics.

Seanus:

I know a gay man in Poland

i bet you do

Polonius3:

It is widely known

that Polonius3 is the ultimate master of dumb threats

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:39 #14
Seanus: I know a gay man in Poland just one?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Aug 28, 10, 16:41 #15
So gays are stupid people? Fags is derogatory, what are you being like that for? There are gays and you can't just sweep that under the carpet. Yes, I do. He's a friend of sb I know :) He's a really friendly bloke. Just one in Poland, yes. I've known 3 others in my life.

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Edited by: zetigrek Aug 28, 10, 16:42 #16

McCoy:

Well its about intolarance. Imagine your mother despises gays and when she get know you're a gay she says "you're not my son anymore!". What would you do in such case? Some ppl go to clinics because they are torn... but its not 100% ethical

Seanus:

Just one in Poland, yes. I've known 3 others in my life.

little. very little.

Seanus:

Yes, I do. He's a friend of sb I know :)

common case: my gf/wife's best childhood friend ;)

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:46 #17
Seanus: So gays are stupid people? mind you you were the only one who got offended ((; Seanus: Fags is derogatory, what are you being like that for? Seanus: There are gays and you can't just sweep that under the carpet. ROTFL Seanus: He's a really friendly bloke. i bet he is

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Aug 28, 10, 16:48 #18
Great idea, Polonius. And while we're at it, someone should post adress of a clinic offering medical treatment for men who enjoy pornography, anal and oral sex and - ew! - 'doggy style'. It's disgusting, immoral and against nature. The only proper sex is between man and a woman, in missionary position in bed and for the purpose of procreation.

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Edited by: Seanus Aug 28, 10, 16:50 #19

No, I said that it was offensive for gay people. I know how they'd react to such allegations of them being defective in a way.

ROTFL is no answer, really.

He is but how would you know that, McCoy? He's just a person and some are friendly, some aren't. There are many latent gays here.

Zeti is right, my friend's family in Scotland moved away from him for his confession. I imagine it's not nice to wrangle with taboo and finger pointing.

Spot on, vetala, right!! I've had some bowel inspections before and they are painful. I can't imagine a man or a woman enjoying penile thrusting in their arse. I'd describe sb who does as sth of a masochist but I wouldn't deny them their right to do it behind closed doors. It's not my business but I could imagine it being painful.

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Aug 28, 10, 16:51 #20

Should they also put clinics for heterosexuals, right beside the ones for gays, to cure attraction to the opposite sex too? I bet one will find men out there who don't want to spend the rest of their life with the nagging, sexless, slit-caring animals as well as some women who don't want to be attracted to brainless (how much grey cells can one fit in the cranium between the male's legs?!), apish, boorish, one-thing-thinking, always erected pervs.
I would suggest to open a clinic for everyone who has any type of psychological problem one has with oneself or the surroundings and not discriminate against so many unsatisfied people around by just curing those who don't like their homosexuality.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Aug 28, 10, 16:53 #21
I think that people should have more sex. They are usually happier and don't have the inclination to cure everybody else who is having more sex then they do;)

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 16:54 #22
zetigrek: Never heard about "gene" of homosexualism. I rather heard about hormonal abberation during pregnancy which leads to homosexualism. There is no homo gene neither is it a mental condition. If people gave as much effort to their own lives than they do sticking their noses into other peoples private lives the world would be a much more advance place.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Aug 28, 10, 16:54 #23
How about those that are war mongers? To me, they are completely sick in the head. Clinton and Blair would be permanent guests in such a clinic. Maybe a treatment centre for them?? Spot on, Dave and Aphro.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,835 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 17:07 #24
The concept of behaviour modification has been around for quite some time. A person wanting to shed some behavioural pattern would be highly motivated to cooperate with the therapy and might evnetually succeed.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 17:09 #25
Well, chop chop, you don't want to miss your session, old boy ;) Pol3, the point is that it isn't your business or are you directly harmed by gays in any way?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 17:12 #26
Seanus: behind closed doors my dad says the same and he describes himself as a homophobe. Seanus: It's not my business but I could imagine it being painful. well there are some specifics which makes it more pleasurable

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 17:14 #27
Labels are just that, labels. He doesn't like them but still realises that it's a private affair. That's his right to take that position. Specifics? I don't get it. It's painful just to have fingers in there checking for abnormalities, Zeti, esp when they turn them around.

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Edited by: zetigrek Aug 28, 10, 17:16 #28

dtaylor5632:

There is no homo gene neither is it a mental condition. If people gave as much effort to their own lives than they do sticking their noses into other peoples private lives the world would be a much more advance place.

You understand me in wrong way. Its the scientific research which provides that mothers hormonal abberation makes some fetus' brain parts develope in different way.

Seanus:

Labels are just that, labels. He doesn't like them but still realises that it's a private affair. That's his right to take that position.

Most ppl n Poland have such view and they are called homophobes... Seanus it seems you are one of them! ;D ;P

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Aug 28, 10, 17:19 #29
Seanus: Well, chop chop, you don't want to miss your session, old boy ;) I say:0 what is the big deal with sex anyways, because this thread is about sex.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Aug 28, 10, 17:20 #30
Seanus: Specifics? Oh lexical mistake specyfik in polish. Agent or medicine in English. E.g. so called popper Seanus: It's painful just to have fingers in there checking for abnormalities, Zeti, esp when they turn them around. They should use a lubricator first, Seanny ;D

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