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What's wrong with you, Polish people - is it an inferiority complex?

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Edited by: Dice Dec 14, 07, 18:57 #1

Let me rephrase it: the title should be "What's wrong with us Polish People?" since I'm a Pole like most of us here. So, what's wrong with us? How come that we, Polish people can't get over the "Chosen Nation" bull crap. Why do we have to view everything in the World trough the prism of our Nationality? Why every other subject on this message board must sound something like:

"About the superiority of Polish Culture over the Muslim Culture",
"How dare those German bustards this and that... "
"Those damned Jews - 'enough said"

... And so on and so on.

Hey, I have some news for you - WWII is over for almost 70 years and nobody cares. Poland has never been the Center of the Universe in spite of what we have been told in school and from the family. There are practically zero Jews and/or Muslims living in Poland today, which means that most of you have never even met a Jew or a Muslim, so what the heck are you ******** about?

Is it some kind of an inferiority complex? I know the answer, because we all are suffering from the same disease - yes, it is an inferiority complex.

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Dec 14, 07, 21:14 #2

Quoting: Dice

"About the superiority of Polish Culture over the Muslim Culture",

About the superiority of Germanic race over Slavs

Quoting: Dice

"How dare those German bustards this and that... "

How dare Poles open gas stations in Germany and use Polish Eagle as the trade mark?

Quoting: Dice

"Those damned Jews - 'enough said"

diese Scheiß-Polacken

Yeah, I guess some nations have inferiority complex.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Dec 15, 07, 00:27 #3
there are jews in PL. open your eyes. and then tell me what country doesn't look through their 'nationality' prism?

_Sofi_	Edited by: _Sofi_ Dec 15, 07, 00:30 #4
Quoting: plk123 and then tell me what country doesn't look through their 'nationality' prism? I doubt there is one which doesn't :) Quoting: Dice all are suffering from the same disease - yes, it is an inferiority complex. Honestly, the people I know at work show no sign of what you speak of.

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Dec 15, 07, 00:39 #5
Quoting: Dice Why do we have to view everything in the World trough the prism of our Nationality? Maybe some do? Not everybody. Why are you putting all of us in the same basket? The 'threads' you quoted are just for the sake of discussion, I think... I personally don't feel inferior to anybody, superior...maybe -to some loosers..but that's it :)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Dec 15, 07, 00:44 #6
Quoting: _Sofi_ I doubt there is one :) ok countries then.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Dec 15, 07, 01:11 #7
you said you doubted that there is just one. ok name them then.. every contry looks though a prism of their nationality.

omniba

Dec 19, 07, 17:02 #8

This is a good question. It would appear, at times, that Poles do have an inferiority complex and perhaps this has something to do with Polish history, going even as far back as the partition. So here is a thought:

When countries are invaded, those who do the physical act of invading are primed by their governments into believing that their task isn’t an immoral one, but that they are actually doing a good service – both to their own nation and to the people of the invaded nation whose leaders are deemed immoral, corrupt, incapable etc. etc.

There is a constant sowing of the seeds of doubt within the invaded nation, and it is very thorough. “Your leaders abandoned you”, “your leaders kept you in ignorance and poverty”, “they sold you out”. The list of the deposed leaders’ sins is long and varied and seeing power corrupts, some of these sins aren’t always purely imaginary.

Then there is the list of the shortcomings of the invaded peoples themselves: the world will be advised of their backwardness, lack of talent, insufficient preparedness for democracy, cowardliness, debauchery, laziness, lack of hygiene, and of course woman-bashing if Muslim (that is one of the newest additions to an invaded population’s sin list).

People in an invaded country are never sure of anyone, be it their neighbour or even a family member. The invader will attempt to buy a subject’s loyalty, and even if unsuccessful will let it be known that the subject is a traitor: again, since people are not saints there will be occasions when this is actually true, to further confound the population. That is one of the best ways to sow doubt. It makes diffidence grow together with constant fear. Even brothers could be potential enemies. It is the principle of “Divide and rule”.

If the invasion is of a sufficiently long duration the sense of worthlessness and diffidence brought about by this systematic indoctrination will creep into the occupied nation’s mentality and culture especially where the invader has made a protracted effort to eliminate the nation’s intelligentsia (cut the head off and the body will flounder). In the long run the result of all this cannot be anything other than an inferiority complex and all that it brings with it.

Could this be, to some extent, what happened in Poland?

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Edited by: gosiaczek Dec 20, 07, 06:31 #9

Dice wrote:

Hey, I have some news for you - WWII is over for almost 70 years

Don't tell me WWII was the only factor that had an impact on the mentality of Poles. Communism (over for almost 20years) also exerted influence on the way in which Poles perceive themselves as a nation.

Whom do you blame for such a situation? You won't change the mentality of people, they need time to get over their traumas.

Dice wrote:

and nobody cares

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Edited by: jonni Dec 20, 07, 07:06 #10

gosiaczek wrote:

Gosiaczek and omniba are right, and I'd go even further. Few countries in the world have had such a stormy (and often tragic) history as Poland, going back hundreds of years, and for much of that time they have shared their territory with many other nationalities.

There have been times when viewing their identity through the "prism of nationality" has saved them.

As a foreigner living here long-term, I can't say that it doesn't sometimes irritate me, but that's the way it is and it's important to get used to that. But with increasing stability, prosperity etc, the next generation here may well change.

_Sofi_	Dec 20, 07, 11:10 #11
plk123 wrote: every contry looks though a prism of their nationality. That's what I meant too.. that I doubted you would find a country which didn't do that.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 11:29 #12
jonni wrote: But with increasing stability, prosperity etc, the next generation here may well change. hopefully, but the chances decrease if the current generations keep reminding them of it

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Dec 20, 07, 11:42 #13

jonni wrote:

the next generation here may well change.

Excuse me... Change what ? Open a topic on the international internet forum about French-American issues and Yanks will immidiately start reminding "frogs" that they liberated them during WW2 and now French (and most of the world) are ungrateful sobs, start a disscussion with Jews and It's only a matter of time when they say that you are antisemitic and other crap, Russians believe that "the west" robbed them and want revange, Muslims that "the west" is "Islamophobic" although any western country is much more tolerant than any Muslim country... I could go on for houers, so why the hell could anyone except that Poles should become some biggest friends of humanity and champions of tolerance ? German fans support any team, which is playing against Poland (football, handball, voleyball... any kind of sport) and their media are full of ani-Polish crap, so whay the hell people here should like them ?

omniba

Dec 20, 07, 13:15 #14

Grzegorz_ wrote:

so whay the hell people here should like them

That may be true, but surely the real issue here is different. The problem is this strange inferiority complex – people with such complexes are not comfortable in themselves or with other people. Perhaps sorting this out or at least understanding it better would lead to a more tranquil view, whether this is through the prism of nationality or anything else, of the rest of the world.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 13:19 #15
omniba wrote: Perhaps sorting this out or at least understanding it better would lead to a more tranquil view well said - recognition of the problem is the first step to solving it

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 13:22 #16
omniba wrote: The problem is this strange inferiority complex – people with such complexes are not comfortable in themselves or with other people. So who has this problem ? Where ? When ? How does It look like ?

omniba	Dec 20, 07, 15:43 #17
Grzegorz_ wrote: So who has this problem ? Where ? When ? How does It look like ? Well, these are the signs of an inferiority complex: sensitivity to criticism, hypercritical attitude, tendency towards blaming, feelings of persecution etc. An inferiority complex isn’t a sin – it just hampers or spoils rational, calm communication. Who has it? Too many Poles.

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Dec 20, 07, 15:51 #18

Dice wrote:

"How dare those German bustards this and that... "
"Those damned Jews - 'enough said"

... And so on and so on.

Hey, I have some news for you - WWII is over for almost 70 years and nobody cares.

I don't belive, tahat someone who writes things like this is just dump, it has to be something deeper. Who cares? The Germans. Remember, that all WW2 issue started in late 1990's with German claims, which had to spark torsions in Poland (it's obvious for anybody who has any idea about Polish history of XX century). Germany continues anti-Polish policy, ant an average Germans's idea about Poles is what has been shown in the film and said already. Bastards!!

slick77Threads: - Posts: 182 Joined: Nov 9, 07 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 15:55 #19
omniba wrote: Well, these are the signs of an inferiority complex: sensitivity to criticism, hypercritical attitude, tendency towards blaming, feelings of persecution etc. An inferiority complex isn’t a sin – it just hampers or spoils rational, calm communication. Who has it? Too many Poles. bubbawoo fits this profile perfectly and he is not polish, is he? lol

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07 ♀	Dec 20, 07, 16:01 #20
In sociology there is something called a "culture of victimhood" ....its a kind of syndrome. I don't know if it applies here (it's a rather complex situation). From what I gather the sociological phenomenon deals with an attitude or viewpoint of superiority via martyrdom.

omniba

Edited by: omniba Dec 20, 07, 16:04 #21

slick77 wrote:

and he is not polish, is he? lol

I dont know about bubbawoo of course, but there are quite a few non-Poles on this Forum who seem to have quite severe complexes - it is most certainly not just a Polish thing.

Victimhood?

No, that does indeed apply to certain other nations but it somehow doesn't fit the Poles. Their problem is more the fear of being misunderstood. Poland until quite recently was a country "somewhere there" – a sort of hypothetical place the so called “great powers” could bequeath, move, ignore as if it were completely empty. The Poles now aren't really drowning - but they are waving frantically, wanting to be heard and considered. That's different to victim-hood.

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 16:20 #22
Polish inferiority complex ? I dont think so.... For me Poles are nation who are not taking any crap, and thats way it should be. West is doing its suicide with its leftist PC´ness and west is jealous for people who dare to make a stand.

slick77Threads: - Posts: 182 Joined: Nov 9, 07 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 16:27 #23
omniba wrote: I dont know about bubbawoo of course, but there are quite a few non-Poles on this Forum who seem to have quite severe complexes - it is most certainly not just a Polish thing. Hmm...so, who else in your view is suffering from this inferiority complex?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 16:55 #24
Grzegorz_ wrote: X says to Y: You are blah blah blah... Y denies, so... Y has inferiority complex... wow. X says to Y:You are an elephant. Y says,no I am not! X:Probably you have inferiority complex.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 17:02 #25
southern wrote: X says to Y:You are an elephant. Y says,no I am not! X:Probably you have inferiority complex. True...

omniba	Dec 20, 07, 17:14 #26
X says to Y:You are an Polish elephant. Y says, it's all Mr Churchill's fault X:Probably you have an inferiority complex. :) It is nearly Christmas and I do hope you have a sense of humour!

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 20, 07, 17:35 #27
X:You are a polish elefant Y:Churchill is responsible for that. X:Without Mr. Churchill you would be a mosquito.Do you feel inferior to a mosquito?

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Dec 20, 07, 20:02 #28

Dice wrote:

prism of our Nationality

because it is what we are.you can't change your nationality cos you get a new passport.or maybe you can?

Dice wrote:

About the superiority of Polish Culture over the Muslim Culture

it's not about superiority.it's about danger that this religion brings to europe.

Dice wrote:

How dare those German bustards this and that...

when a german says that the 3rd reich was a good thing beause this and that,we have to answer

Dice wrote:

Those damned Jews

everyone is entitled to ones opinions.personally i really like the jewish people

Dice wrote:

zero Jews and

such a shame

Dice wrote:

or Muslims living in Poland

thank god

Dice wrote:

What's wrong with us Polish People?"

Dice wrote:

yes, it is an inferiority complex

you are the best example of a pole with inferiority complex.someone who is ashamed for what other poles do.someone who don't speak polish when others listen or try to speak with more american accent than americans do.poor you

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Dec 20, 07, 20:41 #29
Maxxx Payne wrote: Polish inferiority complex ? I dont think so.... For me Poles are nation who are not taking any crap, and thats way it should be. West is doing its suicide with its leftist PC´ness and west is jealous for people who dare to make a stand. Bravo MaxxxP. That's exactly what I think.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07 ♀	Dec 21, 07, 09:16 #30
rafik wrote: it's not about superiority.it's about danger that this religion brings to europe. good point rafik wrote: everyone is entitled to ones opinions.personally i really like the jewish people good boy :) I see that some things never change, Im sure that peple from all over the world have nferiority complexes...thats life

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