Whom do the Polish people hate more: Germans or Russians?

polishmeknobThreads: 12 Posts: 162 Joined: Feb 9, 09 ♂	Mar 13, 11, 17:03 #541
Russians.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Mar 13, 11, 18:09 #542
PlasticPole: Doesn't make it true Of course it doesn't. I just meant that my father is so consumed with Jews that it does not leave much room for hatred of Russians or Germans. Which brings up another point some keep harping at, about being responsible for the the sins of our fathers. Got to stop that.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 11, 18:23 #543
I've heard some Poles say they don't trust the Germans but I've never heard anyone say they "hate" the Germans.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Mar 13, 11, 19:43 #544
once, when I was taking German lessons, in my mother asked me not to practice my German out loud.

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Apr 9, 11, 19:48 #545

After Poland got its freedom back ( from Russia, thats the reason Poles hate them, 50 years of communism)
All the western companies went into Poland and destroyd all the Polish companies, that slowed Polands
economy down a lot, and now that we in European union we cant have as many factories etc, becouse
we HAVE TO import things from other countries like Germany, which is the reason why the prices went from
(example sugar) 0.20 euro (before we joined eu) to 1.25 euro now

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Apr 9, 11, 20:25 #546

PKMpl:

After Poland got its freedom back ( from Russia, thats the reason Poles hate them, 50 years of communism)
All the western companies went into Poland and destroyd all the Polish companies, that slowed Polands
economy down a lot, and now that we in European union we cant have as many factories etc, becouse
we HAVE TO import things from other countries like Germany, which is the reason why the prices went from
(example sugar) 0.20 euro (before we joined eu) to 1.25 euro now

Unemployment in Poland was right around 20% before ascension. Which Polish companies were destroyed? Apparently not the ones employing people. Might want to ask the farmers why sugar is so expensive.

PKMplThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Apr 9, 11 ♂	Apr 9, 11, 20:28 #547
Logical thinking dude after Poland joined the Europe they could leave the country really easy the ones that were strungling to find the job left, european union didnt destroy Polish companies becouse there was basicly none when we joined the eu anyway

adamek9611

Apr 11, 11, 21:35 #548

OH Gosh. Are you kidding me. I'm Polish and when i rode your post i got laugh. don't you know what was the secont warld War? Don't you know that russians Caputed Poland in Comunism times? Germans killed above 11 milions of Poles between 1939-1945 and got 70% of Polish culture legacy :( They just stole things from the houses and got it into Germany. For example they took almoust everything from my gradmother's house and she had nothing left. It's really sad story and i know that it's 21st cantery but poles have that in blood that they remember their history really well.
thank you and stop talking about EU :)

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Apr 12, 11, 01:34 #549

adamek9611:

OH Gosh. Are you kidding me. I'm Polish and when i rode your post i got laugh. don't you know what was the secont warld War? Don't you know that russians Caputed Poland in Comunism times? Germans killed above 11 milions of Poles between 1939-1945 and got 70% of Polish culture legacy :( They just stole things from the houses and got it into Germany. For example they took almoust everything from my gradmother's house and she had nothing left. It's really sad story and i know that it's 21st cantery but poles have that in blood that they remember their history really well.
thank you and stop talking about EU :)

Don't exagerate like a crazy person.

Comolxłuśćąż	Apr 29, 11, 17:00 #550
adamek9611 is right:P If you currently not living in Poland you don't know how does the live here look like. You live abroad so you can't say anything about history. You even perhaps don't know when the 2nd ww started. So you're not real patriot. PS. Stop copying sb's texts it's plantive. I hate that and i'm 100% with adamek

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Apr 29, 11, 17:22 #551
adamek9611: OH Gosh. Are you kidding me. I'm Polish and when i rode your post i got laugh. don't you know what was the secont warld War? Don't you know that russians Caputed Poland in Comunism times? Germans killed above 11 milions of Poles between 1939-1945 and got 70% of Polish culture legacy Poland lost ~6 million people, not 11 million.

hubabubaThreads: - Posts: 124 Joined: Apr 7, 11 ♀	Apr 29, 11, 21:22 #552
definitely Germans

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Apr 29, 11, 21:24 #553
hubabuba: definitely Germans True.Never forgive,never forget.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Apr 29, 11, 21:25 #554
Palivec: Poland lost ~6 million people, not 11 million. Poland in 1939 - 35 million population Poland in 1945 - 23 million population Do the maths again. 6 million is just the number of murdered and killed Polish citizens

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 11, 21:42 #555

Torq:

Poland in 1939 - 35 million population
Poland in 1945 - 23 million population

Do the maths again.

Minus the Germans, the Belorussians, the Ukrainians...all what was counted as polish citizens before the war.
Poland lost many nationals in the East during the border shifting and expelled the Germans in the West...then there are the Jews murdered by the Nazis.

...the agreed upon number of dead ethnic Poles is about 3,5 Mill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)#Yal ta_and_the_Soviets

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Of all the countries involved in the war, Poland lost the highest percentage of its citizens: over seven million perished, over three million of them Polish Catholics and the remaining three million were Polish Jews.

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Apr 29, 11, 21:50 #556

Bratwurst Boy:

and expelled the Germans in the West.

"and the Germans got expelled in the West" Don't you mean?
and expelled the Germans, could be picked up as Poles wanted it and and did it by them self with great joy

twisting of words how lovely

Bratwurst Boy:

Minus the Germans, the Belorussians, the Ukrainians...all what was counted as polish citizens before the war.

There were minorities wanting peace, some other a Poland, some other an independent country of their own... Mix of mixing I would say :)

Back to the topic: Both nations have wrecked the country and killed Poles BUT, I can fairly add that an German soldier would offer some sausage to experience an family Christmas in Poland and Prussia (proto-Germany) tried to build up Polish terrain (for self gain, but non-theless) while Russian nation... Did what it did huhm

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 29, 11, 21:51 #557
Mr Grunwald: twisting of words how lovely What twisting?

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Edited by: Mr Grunwald Apr 29, 11, 21:52 #558
Bratwurst Boy: What twisting? So you were sincere in that "Poles expelled Germans and willingly wanted them out of the picture?" No matter their political agenda?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 29, 11, 21:53 #559
Mr Grunwald: "Poles expelled Germans and willingly wanted them out of the picture?" Erm....did they not???

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Apr 29, 11, 21:56 #560

Bratwurst Boy:

Erm....did they not???

My family is an living evidence of that not being true, Mr
Also many other family's with German roots were allowed to stay. Most of those that went were oppurtunists or never wanting to see hell again. Or pro-Germany Germans. Those that didn't want it stayed.

Although fear of SU was a great motivator

Also Poland or Polish politicans had nothing to say, they were the losing side or pawns of SU (if you call those "Polish" commies Poles...) Soviet Union was the driving push of relocating any minority to where they wanted (Stalin to be specific).

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 29, 11, 22:30 #561
http://polandpoland.com/germans_expelled_after_war.html

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Edited by: Grzegorz_ Apr 29, 11, 23:03 #562

Torq:

Poland in 1939 - 35 million population
Poland in 1945 - 23 million population

Do the maths again.

*6 million is just the number of murdered and killed Polish citizens*

Not really... don't treat "6 million killed Poles" like "6 million Jews" stuff. It's not clear how many people died... The number of Polish citiznes killed during WW2 was estimated by commies after WW2. They said It's 3 million Jews and 3 million Poles with Ukrainians etc. excluded as they were counted as Soviet losses... In my opinion the number of ethnic Poles killed during WW2 (another issue is a definition of an ethinc Poles...) is definately less than 3 million (more like 2.4-2.5 million and of course not all of them killed by Germans) but the total number of pre-WW2 citizens of Poland killed was much higer than 6 million, in my opinion more like 7 million.

Mr Grunwald:

Soviet Union was the driving push of relocating any minority to where they wanted

Weren't decisions about post WW2 "population transfers" made by "Big Three" ?

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Apr 30, 11, 00:46 #563
Mr Grunwald: Soviet Union was the driving push of relocating any minority to where they wanted Are you saying that Germans were in the minority in Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia in 1944/45? You're kidding, are you?

hubabubaThreads: - Posts: 124 Joined: Apr 7, 11 ♀	Apr 30, 11, 14:01 #564
well Brautwurst Poles axpelled and Poles were expelled, all of this happened with the objection of our legal goverment

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 241 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Apr 30, 11, 15:34 #565
Neither. Why should I hate them? Because of history? Then the Czechs should really hate Poles.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 30, 11, 15:43 #566
The Soviet decision not to intervene in Warsaw and also the Katyń debacle will forever stick in the craws of Poles. I'm reading Armageddon by Leon Uris and have learnt a lot about the Soviet mentality. Yes, Poles were seething at the Nazis for what they did but I think the feeling of betrayal and creating false hopes hurts Poles more.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,433 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Apr 30, 11, 15:45 #567
Lenka: Neither. Why should I hate them? Because of history? Then the Czechs should really hate Poles. Excellent point! There's no use hating because of the past. It gets you nowhere.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 30, 11, 15:50 #568
You need to catch the culprits as and when. Many were smart enough not to hate based on who they were. There were stories of Generals protecting civilians as they knew that they took no part in hostilities.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Apr 30, 11, 17:09 #569
polishmeknob: Whom do the Polish people hate more: Germans or Russians? We're on 19th page of this thread already, but I think it would be reasonable to ask ourselves: "Do we really have to choose whom we hate more?" Can we not find it in our hearts to hate both Germans and Russians equally? Do we have to favor one of our neighbours over another?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 30, 11, 17:11 #570
Torq: Can we not find it in our hearts to hate both Germans and Russians equally? Do we have to favor one of our neighbours over another? Bless you oracle of the North.

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