Whom do the Polish people hate more: Germans or Russians?

miranda

Edited by: miranda Feb 9, 08, 10:14 #121

NormalRussian wrote:

It is polishforums.com . not Ukrianinan. and Ukrainians were killing Poles with Tatars, with Austrians, with Germans, with Russians. at the end always were punished.

I know, but YOU are the one who started the Ukrainin topic, NOT ME, so what are you crying about? There is a Polish - Ukrainian thread, so go there and cry your Russian hart out:)

he, he.......you are really annoying.

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Edited by: z_darius Feb 9, 08, 10:17 #122

NormalRussian wrote:

It is polishforums.com . not Ukrianinan.

You were the frst to mention the word Ukrainian in this thread. If you write something, especially a lie or half-truths, expect responses.

NormalRussian wrote:

dear Poles do you remember WWII and Ukrianians serving Germans... we punished them :) ?

Did you also punish yourself for Russian co-operation with the Nazis and for Soviet attack on Poland, and for plans to exterminate the Polish nation in co-operation with krauts?

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Feb 9, 08, 10:18 #123

As much as NormalRussian is coming off as a provocator, I have to agree with what he is saying with the Ukrainians. It is FACT, that they served in special SS units and stabbed Poles in the back, murdered, pillaged, raped, the Poles living in the East.
Ukrainians have never been "perfect" example of a friendly Slavic country to Poles. Poles have always had to deal with these barbarian Kossaks. That will never change.

However, NormalRussian, when you said that Poles concentrate on Katyn rather than Ukrainian SS units, you are wrong. This is well known, and both issues have been discussed. Russians were in fact, a lot worse than Ukrainians with their peace treaty with Hitler in 39' to eat up the rest of Poland in the east.

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Edited by: TRAISKIRCHEN Feb 9, 08, 10:19 #124

Asking who you hate more, Germans or Russians is like asking what you like more, headache or toothache. The answer is “none”. Both these powers killed millions poles and would not hesitate to occupy Poland again under right circumstances. There is no doubts in my mind that WWII was not the last military conflict in that part of the world. Sooner or later the borders will be rewritten again. What Poland should do? Seek a partner with the similar history, similar size, and the similar suffering from German or Russian occupations. This country is Ukraine. Poland should help Ukraine to get to NATO and become economically stronger. After that Poland and Ukraine should develop nuclear weapons. Most of the military industry of the former Soviet Union was located in Ukraine, and it would not be a big deal for Ukraine to develop nuclear weapons again.

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Edited by: celinski Feb 9, 08, 10:21 #125

NormalRussian wrote:

half of Ukriane is Russian

1/2 are Polish.

Whom do the Polish people hate more: Germans or Russians?

I don't like the word "hate" I think respect is better. As I see it, Germany did a lot of harm to Poland and did not deny or try to blame Russia. On the other hand Russia continues to pour salt on open wounds. I do not respect Russia and feel they are heartless.

So if we are using "respect", I have no respect for Russia at this point in time.

As for Ukraine???

GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS
ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA
DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)

http://www-kresy.pl/wolyn/english.htm

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 10:21 #126
TRAISKIRCHEN wrote: This country is Ukraine. No, my friend. You are very badly mistaken. Ukrainians are not Polands friend.

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Feb 9, 08, 10:22 #127

Filios1 wrote:

Ukrainians have never been "perfect" example of a friendly Slavic country to Poles. Poles have always had to deal with these barbarian Kossaks. That will never change.

Don't forget that those "barbarian Kossaks" were Ukrainian equivalents of Polish freedom fighters in 1831 and 1863. Poland occupied Ukrainian lands. This is not a popular topic in Poland but the fact remains that Poles were the occupying country.

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Edited by: Filios1 Feb 9, 08, 10:24 #128

z_darius wrote:

popular topic in Poland but the fact remains that Poles were the occupying country.

No my friend. That land was Polish by nature, Polish by agreement. The savages that lived there didn't know when they were conquered. Poland was doing all of them a favour by spreading their civilized ways to these people.

z_darius wrote:

Ukrainian equivalents of Polish freedom fighters in 1831 and 1863.

Do not offend the Polish freedome fighters by comparing them to the brutal savages who raped and murdered anything in their path to get their way!

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Edited by: z_darius Feb 9, 08, 10:26 #129
Filios1 wrote: No my friend. I'm not your friend. Filios1 wrote: The savages that lived there didn't know when they were conquered. Poland was doing all of them a favour by spreading their civilized ways to these people. This sounds very similar to WW2 Nazi propaganda against Poland.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Feb 9, 08, 10:26 #130
celinski wrote: 1/2 are Polish. No...

miranda	Edited by: miranda Feb 9, 08, 10:27 #131
celinski wrote: 1/2 are Polish. so according to you there are no Ukrainians. ha, ha - so who am I ??? Marsian? Filios1 wrote: Ukrainians are not Polands friend but Poles want to be Ukrainin friends for obvious reasons, Russia is one of them.

TRAISKIRCHENThreads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 10:31 #132
Filios1 wrote: No my friend. That land was Polish by nature, Polish by agreement. The savages that lived there didn't know when they were conquered. Poland was doing all of them a favour by spreading their civilized ways to these people. Using this argument, Germans should occupy western part of Poland to "spread civilized way" of building better roads.

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Feb 9, 08, 10:32 #133

TRAISKIRCHEN wrote:

Using this argument, Germans should occupy western part of Poland to "spread civilized way" of building better roads.

No, simply because that land was never German. It was through history, Polish. Ukrainian lands on the other hand, were Polish. The people there were a hybrid of Poles and Russians who interbred. The end result was quite a lot of barbarians who respect nothing, and nobody, except blood.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 10:34 #134
miranda wrote: so according to you there are no Ukrainians. ha, ha - so who am I ??? Marsian? Lets see if you were married to a Polish you had to kill your spouse and offspring. miranda wrote: but Poles want to be Ukrainin friends for obvious reasons, Russia is one of them. Poland wants friendship due to blood ties also.

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Feb 9, 08, 10:35 #135

Filios1 wrote:

o, simply because that land was never German.

That's a lie.
Much of this land was German. Szczecin, for one, was never Polish. Ziemia Lubuska was sold to Germans, it was a financial transaction.

Filios1 wrote:

The people there were a hybrid of Poles and Russians who interbred. The end result was quite a lot of barbarians who respect nothing, and nobody, except blood.

You are one sick man. I wonder whether you are a result of interbreeding between Gestapo and KGB.

TRAISKIRCHENThreads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 10:36 #136
Filios1 wrote: No, simply because that land was never German. It was through history, Polish. Ukrainian lands on the other hand, were Polish. So, how far back you want to go to claim "your" land. Sixty years, one hundred years, or one thousand years?

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Edited by: Filios1 Feb 9, 08, 10:39 #137

z_darius wrote:

You are one sick man.

No, you are the sick man, for not seeing the light of truth. We are talking about Ukrainians, the same people who found any possible way to kill their Polish friends from the beginning of their being. They were never happy with Poles being there, and their barbaric tendencies always drove them to do what they did best. That is to murder.
Polish hussars should have driven them deeper into Russia when they had the chance.. we would now not be facing this challenge. They are only a stumbling block in our negotiations with Russia.

z_darius wrote:

I wonder whether you are a result of interbreeding between Gestapo and KGB.

You laugh. But indeed I am not fully Polish, but I at least I am a true Pole, whilst the rest of you are nothing but "moderators"

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 10:46 #138
z_darius wrote: Szczecin, for one, was never Polish. Not true. Gerries stole all that land. Even current east Germany.

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Edited by: TRAISKIRCHEN Feb 9, 08, 10:47 #139

Filios1 wrote:

No, you are the sick man, for not seeing the light of truth. We are talking about Ukrainians, the same people who found any possible way to kill their Polish friends from the beginning of their being. They were never happy with Poles being there, and their barbaric tendencies always drove them to do what they did best. That is to murder.
Polish hussars should have driven them deeper into Russia when they had the chance.. we would now not be facing this challenge. They are only a stumbling block in our negotiations with Russia.

Filios1,
Where your hatred towards Ukrainians is coming from? Yes, there were fights between Ukrainians an Poles in the past, but Ukrainians, as opposed to Germans and Russians, never wanted to occupy and destroy Poland. All they wanted was to have an independent country. Can you blame them for that. What nation does not want to be independent?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 10:50 #140
TRAISKIRCHEN wrote: Sixty years, one hundred years, or one thousand years? This aggreement was made in 1945. They are now getting around to it. z_darius wrote: was never Polish Yes, it was Poland. Not the first time I might add.

TRAISKIRCHENThreads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 10:54 #141
Filios1 wrote: They were never happy with Poles being there Were Poles happy with the Germans being in Poland?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 10:58 #142
TRAISKIRCHEN wrote: never wanted to occupy and destroy Poland. No instead they just killed them. GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945) http://www-kresy.pl/wolyn/english.htm

miranda

Feb 9, 08, 11:00 #143

celinski wrote:

Lets see if you were married to a Polish you had to kill your spouse and offspring

that true, but to claim that half Ukrainians are Polish is a bit far fetched.

celinski wrote:

Poland wants friendship due to blood ties also.

perhaps you are right, but as far as I am concerned the present politics has a lot to do with Poland becoming an ally to Ukraine vs Russian dominance. It is good for both of the countries.

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Feb 9, 08, 11:01 #144

Traiskirchen,

You are obviously blind to some history. Poles were always free, never occupied, until they were stabbed in the back by the 3 powers of Austria-Hungary, Russia and Germany. They fought bitterly during this time to free themselves of these chains.

Ukrainians on the other hand, were never independent. They didn't even exist as a nation until recently. When I think of Ukrainian, I think of Russians, or Poles, not a seperate nation in themselves. The barbaric Kossaks ruined it for the rest of the population by revolting, when indeed, the country could have flourished with a strong Polish hand in the 17th century. Who knows? Perhaps this land could be a lot richer today..

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 11:04 #145
Yes Miranda, we were both stuck in the middle and victims. quote=miranda] It is good for both of the countries. [/quote] [youtube=null]

TRAISKIRCHENThreads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 11:08 #146
celinski wrote: No instead they just killed them. GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945) Celinski, From your posts, one may conclude that you are hugely penetrated by Russian propaganda and present only the facts, which were often “created” by NKVD or anecdotal evidences.

miranda

Feb 9, 08, 11:08 #147

Filios1 wrote:

They didn't even exist as a nation until recently. When I think of Ukrainian, I think of Russians, or Poles, not a seperate nation in themselves.

just because they didn't exist it does itmake them less of the nation. Poland was under the occupation of USSR during the communism so all Poles must be Russians according to your logic. Yet, Poles never gave their quest for freedom, neither did Ukrainians.

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Feb 9, 08, 11:10 #148

TRAISKIRCHEN wrote:

From your posts, one may conclude that you are hugely penetrated by Russian propaganda and present only the facts, which were often “created” by NKVD or anecdotal evidences.

No, you are wrong there my friend. YOU are the one penetrated by propaganda of the West, which was ultra-pacifist in nature and shied away from facts. They were afraid of Russia, so they kept the facts away and closed the books so to speak. These genocides did happen! Ukrainians saw the opportunity, and showing their true barbaric and savage spirit, began to attack their Polish neigbours, in villages, towns all over Poland and "Ukraine."

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 11:10 #149
TRAISKIRCHEN wrote: Russian propaganda Say what! Try Roman Catholic, Polish sent to Siberia to die by Stalin. But we must not forget what happened to the ones not on trains. SS Ukraine was not perfect.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Feb 9, 08, 11:15 #150
celinski wrote: Say what! Try Roman Catholic, Polish sent to Siberia to die by Stalin. But we must not forget what happened to the ones not on trains. SS Ukraine was not perfect. Please, ignore this man, celinski. He is a pro-Western creep who was not taught true facts at school.

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