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Are you aware of how anti-Semitic Poles really are!?!?


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http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_International/as_survey_2007.htm ?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_4

1) 59 percent of respondents think that Jews are more loyal to Israel than to Poland.



2) 49 percent of respondents think that Jews have too much power in the business world.



3) 54 percent believe that Jews have too much power in international financial markets.



4) 58 percent believe that Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.

Absolutely disgusting.
HarryThreads: 62
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^ Perhaps disgusting. But such surveys are undeniably entirely unhelpful.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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Harry:
But such surveys are undeniably entirely unhelpful.

As are threads like this.
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EM_Wave:
Absolutely disgusting.


what is so disgusting ? the other countries named gave similar results to Poland. so it's a shared opinion, not just Polish.
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Wroclaw:
what is so disgusting ? the other countries named gave similar results to Poland. so it's a shared opinion, not just Polish.


Last time I checked, this is a forum about Poland which is why we are discussing Poland's results. Just because some other countries share similar results, that doesn't make it right.
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EM_Wave:
that doesn't make it right.


true. it makes it a non-event.
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EM_Wave:

59 percent of respondents think that Jews are more loyal to Israel than to Poland.
2) 49 percent of respondents think that Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) 54 percent believe that Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
4) 58 percent believe that Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.

Disgusting? Why!? Because it's true? Americans think the exact same way, ask a New Yorker what he thinks of Jews, how often do you hear people say 'Jews control the media' or 'they only care about themselves'? It seems it's disgusting because people knowing and thinking it creates suspicion and might stop them from doing whatever they please. For you to say that it's completely biased, ultra Zionist thinking.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Dec 30, 11, 20:58    #8
Oh, for crying out loud. Another survey of 30 prominent Jews asked them what defined their Jewishness. Only 3 replied an attachment to Israel. If they were Zionists, it'd be 30/30, a clean sweep.

As for the survey, beliefs are just that. A lot of prominent news stations are not Jewish run at all. It's a fabricated myth by conspiracy nuts. The business world is there for those to ply their trade. The Jews just happen to be very good in key sectors. What, the playing field is uneven?

The people who play on the Holocaust are mostly Zionistic in nature, as shown in Defamation. As for 'normal' Jews, it's normal for them to discuss a genocide on such a large scale.
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Seanus:
A lot of prominent news stations are not Jewish run at all. It's a fabricated myth by conspiracy nuts. The business world is there for those to ply their trade. The Jews just happen to be very good in key sectors. What, the playing field is uneven?

The people who play on the Holocaust are mostly Zionistic in nature

I was talking about Zionists, Americanized Jews or Polonized Jews are good people. His post is Zionistic and biased. With regards to the survey what Poles answered was also true. Given their numbers only a few thousand in a nation of nearly 39 million they do have too much power and are in the media too much. Pirog and his 'discovery' shows, Adam Michnik, Bronislaw Wildstein and his PRL shows and what not. Take the US for example 6 million Jews in a nation of 310 million, nearly half the Hollywood actors, talk show hosts, news reporters are Jewish.
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Being familiar with the methodology of social research I will differently phrase the items, so we could explore how suggestive their positive form is. If you agree with the reversed items, you are honest in your jewishness.

Let's try.

1) Jews are more loyal to their countries of birth than to Israel

2) Jews don't have enough power in the business world (they should have more)

3) Jews don't have enough power in international financial markets (they should have more)

4) Jews don't speak enough about Holocaust


BTW. I have nothing against Jews, quite bright folk, I have few Jewish friends.

but I have a lot against those kind of surveys. Some of the statements in that survey resemble the factual state and are abused to prove anti jewishness.

Is it now a crime to notice that Jews are successful businessmen ? (items 2 and 3)

Is it a crime to notice that as many other ethnicities in Europe they identify more with their fatherland, motherland than with the country of birth, in this case applied to Jews? (item1)

Is it a crime to talk about your own (Polish) victims of WWII and represent them in fair manner in media? (item 4)

Is that a proof of antisemitism or any kind of hate? no in my opinion, it is a proof of repeated methodological flaws of initial Adorno et al. research in 50s conducted in US, this research you cited is almost a blueprint of.


ps. Semitic- term applies to Jews, Arabs and Assyrians ...near easterners who speak semitic languages , do you use it also in a meaning anti arab (to OP)? I think you are not, correct me if I am wrong.

stop the earth i want to get off
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I think you are making a certain mistake here.
Jews (as any other ethnicity) are only entitled to being treated fairly and being equal under the law. If, on top of that, you want to be liked, then you have to earn it, because there is no such entitlement. You earn it by being nice to people, not by throwing around accusations how bad they are because they don't seem to like you.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Dec 30, 11, 23:01    #12
Natasa mentioned a good point. AS is almost exclusively associated with Jews but it should really extend to Arabs. It's the chosen buzzword for those that wish to profit from it.
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@gummi
can you repeat what you said or meant? i dont understand what you are talking about. seems to me that beginning a/o end of your thought are missing
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EM_Wave:
Just because some other countries share similar results, that doesn't make it right.


Guess we got a fire starter: obviously you realize your data was provided by the ADL

A clip from the 2009 documentary Defamation in which an Israeli-Jew discusses the politicization of the Holocaust and Anti-Semitism in modern times.
Abe Foxman the head of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the world’s largest advocate for Israel and fighting Anti-Semitism meets with Yushchenko’s advisors and warns them not to compare the two genocides – the Holodomor and the Holocaust, then the ADL members seem to find the whole thing humorous afterwards.

Defamation - ADL bullying Ukraine into downplaying the Holodomor as serious as the Holocaust


Defamation


You should watch this film and see the ADL at work, this fly on the wall film is by an Israeli film maker, so please no anti semitic comments, enough already...
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sascha:
can you repeat what you said or meant? i dont understand what you are talking about. seems to me that beginning a/o end of your thought are missing


To me it looks complete.
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Gruffi_Gummi:
To me it looks complete.

good that you understand it. i dont. tnx for the help. have a nice sleep. ;)
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Are you aware of how ridiculous you really are ??!!
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Without being sure that Poles can differentiate Jews from Zionists, the surveys are of dubious validity at best.
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Seanus:
Without being sure that Poles can differentiate Jews from Zionists, the surveys are of dubious validity at best.


Isn't the basic definition of Zionism the support for a Jewish homeland? I understand criticizing some of Israel's actions but I just don't see how you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic.
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Ironside:
Are you aware of how ridiculous you really are ??!!

???

Seanus:
Without being sure that Poles can differentiate Jews from Zionists, the surveys are of dubious validity at best.

suggestive is the mildest attribute for those kind of questions in a survey. we may conclude who financed it. just kiddin'...
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Dec 31, 11, 00:35    #21
It's truly pathetic how low people stoop to. You know, I guess Poles would support much of what some Rabbi groups say. I do!

For people to fire off shots at me just shows what agenda they truly have. The Poles have had to suffer such BS for years.
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sascha:
???

addressed to OP!
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ADL is a joke organization. If you want to see their ideas just watch that Defamation movie with Norman Finkelstein.

According to them Poland is amongst the biggest "anti-semitic" countries out there.
Go look at their ridiculous criteria for anti-semitic remarks and you will see its nothing more than a joke.
http://www.adl.org/presRele/ASInt_13/4726_13.htm
Those questions on the ADL site are very simple questions and all it means is that Poles are more awake and aware of things like Holocaust Industry, and what SOME Jews do. My answer to all those questions is Yes.

Britain hasnt had much problems with Jews in the past because they never held large number of Jews in their borders especially compared to Poland, Russia, Germany.
Thats why it seems the western Nations are licking Jewish boots today. They just dont know them enough historically.


EM_Wave:
Isn't the basic definition of Zionism the support for a Jewish homeland? I understand criticizing some of Israel's actions but I just don't see how you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic.


Oh so arent smart I see.
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sascha:
good that you understand it. i dont. tnx for the help. have a nice sleep. ;)


My point is that people have an obligation to refrain from any actions against Jews (or any other ethnicity). There is no duty, however, to like any nation, including Jews. Sympathy is earned, not granted based on a sense of entitlement.
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EM_Wave:
Absolutely disgusting.


I was trying to avoid speaking openly about this, but you are a Jew who ''works'' making porn, you are by far a more disgusting creature. You most likely have contacts with women treating mafias, but for you it doesn't matter as long as you make money, after all they are just goyims which are not better than a pregnant dog (just quoting the talmud). Then you come here, make this thread and complain about anyone who dislikes the things you do. Look at yourself first, before you start accusing other people.

And by the way, I am not polish
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roca:
but you are a Jew


Um...no I'm not.
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EM_Wave:
Um...no I'm not.


don't be shy, admit it, anyway what kind of people are known to own the porn 'industry'? and then they also start screaming ''antisemitism'' when someone critizes their crimes . Too much concidence here
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Dec 31, 11, 01:39    #28
" There is no duty, however, to like any nation, including Jews."
Lucky that, otherwise people might think that you just dislike Jews because you're a bigot.
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legend:
Go look at their ridiculous criteria for anti-semitic remarks and you will see its nothing more than a joke.


Nothing more than a joke?

Your sense of humour is really poor if you think anti-semitic graffiti over half of Lodz is "a joke".
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EM_Wave:
Absolutely disgusting.


Yes, true, you are disgusting.

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