Soviet war monuments in Poland/Estonia

Who is going to buy the Palace of Science & Culture in Warsaw? Get rid of the offices, close down Ground Zero and voila, thousands of desirable down town apartments. I thnk I know the man for the job.......

Crow, THEY (Russians) are the cruel people.

I understand that since you are Slavic and Orthodox AND (most important thing) you live far away from Russians, it is easy to have a positive opinion about Russians - but this positive opinion is totally wrong, Russians are generally hated by their neighbours, by the nations that actually know what kind of nation Russians are.



To your information: it was Germany that is the traditional ally of Russia in attacks vs Poland.



Really? But Russia already did make lots of "agressive steps" against Poland - during the partitions, during the 1920 Polish-Soviet war, during WWII - so why do Serbs still call Russians brothers? Why would Serbian reaction be different this time?



Problem is that you use the word "Slavic" all the time, but you obviously have no idea about deep cultural differences between different Slavic nations like for example Poles and Russians - it's not just a matter of negative feeelings, there are huge huge cultural differences - and the differences were there long, long before communism, they started during the Mongol occupation of Russia and the rise of the Principality of Moscow, the Mongol-collaborator state, as the dominant Russian principality, which have created the subsequent Russian political culture.

Actually, the truth might fit the "Slavic" theories somewhat, because basically what did happen was that the (non-Slavic, obviously) Mongol rule changed Russia's political culture from European (Slavic) to a post-Asiatic "slave mentality".



M.

Yeah... You are right!!! We are exactly such, but can I add some more spetialities?

....Also, usually we like to eat human meat and make our communion by the blood of Innocents!!!

Servilely Yours Mongolo-Scandinavian-Bysantinian barbarian Constantine ;-))))

The concept of Crow's free slavic world is exciting.A world full of free polish,czech,slovak,russian,belarus,serbian and ukrainian girls.I would enter this world in no time.
I also believe Slavs should keep their tradition,mentality and attitude which is different than in the West.

Dreams, dreams....may be it will be better to put all of us in one concentration camp....and exterminate all by gas? I think that it will be nice solution of East problem!!!
Poles need a "lebensraum"!!?

The West is annoyed because russian economy has improved and they are anxious it might have a negative impact on neighbour states like CR and Poland.For example the wages now in Moscow are over 800$ per month which is the average level for Poland and the unemployment in Moscow is 2% while in Poland it is 15% despite the immigration.This does not make the EU happy especially since political situation in central,eastern Europe countries is unstable contrary to the stability Putin has imposed.
Everybody expects the oil price to sink and Russia's power to decline.

Correct me If I am wrong but the official unemployment rate in Russia is around 15% so a comparison between Moscow and Poland is not a valid one. What is the unemployment rate in Warsaw?

As ever, unemployment rates do not reflect people working in the 'black economy'.

The official unemployment in Russia as a whole stands at 7.2% significantly lower than in Poland as a whole.(15%).If Poland which belongs to EU(stricter reguations) has extended black economy,imagine what happens in Russia.I mean incomes due to black economy in Russia have to be in larger percentage than in Poland cause in Russia illegal behaviour and corruption exceed probably the polish one.(by international estimations Russia is one of the leading states in corruption).
I compare Poland to Moscow because Moscow has 10.5 million population and is the point of reference.What happens there matters more than what happens in the rest of Russia,it sets the terms.Russia has different structure than usual european countries and so capital situation is really very important.For example these are the wages a russian hopes to earn when he immigrates to Moscow.The difference between Warsaw-rest of Poland is not that big and Warsaw is much smaller proportionately to the whole population than Moscow.
The unemployment rate in Warsaw is 5%.

At the beginning of 2007 it was 6,3% (Russia in whole)

Rubbish comparison. You cannot compare a city to a country. A particular city can be booming for various reasons that doesn't mean a country is.



Less than 5% That is not hugely more than Moscow. City of Warsaw official website

Poland is 14,4% as of April 2007 The Warsaw voice

The black economy in Russia something about 25 %. And wages are black on the same 25%. Ofitially my salary is about....hemmm, very little, but unofitially, much, much higher.
So, we have a pretty good reserve for economy growth.

14.4% with 1.000.000 immigrants only to UK in the last two years.How high would it be without immigration or if UK takes measures like what it did for Bulgaria?
You are not familiar with FSU countries.Situation in capital cities is very important,it works as barometer.Province is totally different than in the West and has another role.
The capital drains the province and gains power to control.People have nothing against that.

Thanks. I stand corrected (and also to Southern for correcting me). That has come down a lot since the 1990s.

So you can come and buy up the rest of Chelsea and Mayfair heh?
(only joking)

It's estimated to be be between 750,000 & 800,000 since accession.

Could all be very true for all I know, but can't compare unemployment of a huge capital to that of another country. You can compare 2 capitals, that makes more sense.

Hemm, may be FC "Polonia" would be better?

Just joke too

And much of the economic improvement in Poland is due to loans from EU in return of other benefits while the russians managed to pay their foreign debt completely and now they have a positive export-import budget.They manage to sell weapons,nuclear technology,satellite technology which they develop using funds from raw materials purchase.What does Poland produce?Most of itd products aimed for soviet market,thus they wre of lower quality,could not compete the western ones,that is why many factories closed and high unemployment arised.In my opinion the perspective to immigration is not a satisfactory policy to achieve some kind of balance inside EU.
If there were not this immigration,protests against EU in Poland would have been bigger.

southern leran something before you comment. Unemployment in Poland is result of a baby boom from late 70's, eraly 80's. In last 10 years 2 million more people joined the labor market than retired. Without that we would have to already import large number of immigrants. And EU aid for Poland really begins in this year. So far It has been symbolic. Russia is a country with the biggest share of nutural resources in the world, while Poland has to import most of them. And GDP growth rate in Poland and Russia is similar.

Warsaw city getting on importance, that’s for sure.

I won’t complaint if in future Slavic Union, Warsaw become Capitol city. That would be natural considering that Polish nobility from period of `Sarmatian schlachta` represented last remain of ruling establishment of once united Slavdom- with that, last core of Sarmatia Europae and Sarmatia Asiatica.

Also, Serbs of Upper and Lower Lusatia point on Warsaw (and sometimes on Prague- on internet forums where Lusatian, Molise and Balkan Serbs communicate between each others) as future Capitol city of possible Slavic Union. If they wish that, then we can say that all Serbs of Slavdom reached consensus on this. So, we- Balkan Serbs would use all our influence on Russians that they also accept that. Russians are brothers and they would respond positively, I am sure. Rivalry between Russia and Poland weakened complete Slavic world. It must end, we have a lot of to do- together.

Warsaw, Capitol of Democratic Slavic Union- that sounds good to me.

Was not Warsaw the head of Warsaw Pact?And Comecon?Slavdom has a background in history after all.

Grzegorz can you tell what was the unemployment in 1992 and in 1995?In 1998 and 2002?How many jobs were in 1990 and how many in 2002?How many people lost their job?

IMO the fact that you answered in a humorous manner derives from lack of serious arguments.

It's obvious that Russians have strong cultural bias toward cruel, autoritharian rule - do you wish to imply that it's not true?




What influence exactly? These people make lots of good declarations, but in the end they don't really care if somebody is Slavic and/or Orthodox - look at Polish-Russian relations or the Russian-Georgian relations.



Sorry, but you have no idea about history. The problem was not "rivalry", but simply the Mongol invasion and occupation of Russia and the subsequent forming of the new Russian political tradition on Asian (ergo: non-Slavic) basis.
Basicly the present (post-Mongol) Russia is only partially Slavic when it comes to culture.


M.

The problem is that now czechs do not describe themslves as Slavs,they regard themselves to be central european,the ukrainians think that they are the real russians and the russians are Tatar's mix with Slavs,and the Poles never liked pan-slavism,they want to belong to the west.
Bulgaria has already accepted NATO bases on its ground,the name bulgar means mix anyway.
So it remains only Serbia as the base of Slav oriented dreams.And Russia which never forgets useful tools.

In 98 something like 10%, in 2002 20%.

Uh, uh, you exaggerate man.

Anyway, Slavdom is in deep sh**, that’s fact. I’m aware of it.

But dream about Slavia still live.

Calm down...

In four years it rose by 100%.And from 12.000.000 jobs in 1990 only 9.500.000 had remained in 2002.So it was not only the baby boom.
Crow do you know any political party in CR or Poland in favor of Slavdom?

I dont even think you have to be human to get a uk citizenship let alone speak English lol

Of course not. Commi economy was simply very ineffective, so in early 90's in short time It rose from 0% to about 15%, next down to about 10% and later in result to demographic changes rose to about 20%.

Then read this.Article by two proffesors one in Warsaw school of economics and one in institut of public affairs.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/2002/10/feature/pl0210110f.html

So ? That's almost exactly what I wrote.

Crow: look at the Slovaks who are accusing the Estonians of being fascists. They themselves are the same people who glorify the wartime Slovak fascist state and want to rehabilitate its president, father Jozef Tiso, hanged as a war criminal in 1947. They take the prize for chutzpah!