Soviet war monuments in Poland/Estonia

Even Russia is a multi-ethnic country which is quite understandable considering the vast Siberia and its indigenious peoples. What makes you think even more multi-ethnic Slavia would be more Slavic. Let everyone choose their own way. On comparison there isn´t Germanic Peoples Union because the Dutch,Danish, Swedish etc. all want to choose their own way. Panslavism isn´t a solution to anti-Slavism which existence I do admit.

Modern Panslavism is just one form of fight for rights of Slavs. If Slavic OTPOR become reality it will still be just political movement.

I belong to people who would suggest that we do even more than that. I suggest ultimate respon on situation and that is unity of Slavs thru democraticaly organized state- preferable confederation or some form of federation.

Democratic Federation yes but what about the non-Slavic minorities living in Slavia ? Could they survive in this federation with their own languages and cultures ?

There is not exactly anti-Slavism.There are russophobes.

Anti-Slavisim, I find that hilarious.

Half the world has no concept or understanding of the term Slavic. I'm afraid Slavisim is really only common among the slavic people themselves.

Among the commonmen of society:
Ask a new yorker where Poland is - he will say Russia.
Ask a nigerian where Belarus is - he will say Russia.
Ask a chinese man where Ukraine is - he will say Russia.
Ask an irish or british person where Georgia is - they will point to the US.

Only the general population in Central Europe can distinguish and the well educated in other countries.

The fact is that the vast majority of the world's people know very little about the former USSR's satellite states and what little they know about the USSR they learned from ROCKY IV and RED HEAT or THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.
This area of the world was isolated for a very long time, longer than the memories of a lot of elderly people.

Latter 20th Century Eastern Europe is a black hole in history due to communisim and only now are people starting to piece the puzzle together.

I for one knew nothing about Poland other than WW2 before the Poles came over here, and I certainly couldn't distinguish between Russian and Polish.
I even thought Poles used cyrillic.

Anti-semite is credible because they were a far flung people, highly visible.
How can you be anti-slavic if you don't even understand what it is?

Grzegorz the article says that 3 million jobs in Poland were lost.You wrote that no job was lost but there was baby boom,that is more people for the same number of jobs.These are two totally different things.Were jobs lost?Yes.Baby boom had not to do with that.

dannyboy.. You confusing yourself with two terms -`Anti-Slavisim` and `anti-Slavic`.

Listen, Anti-Slavisim can be understood as institutionally approved minimization/humiliation of Slavs. On the base of actions of some governments (German- for example). We can say that Germany deeply interfere in inter Slavic relations, even inter- Serbian (to waeken cohesive forces of nation) relations etc, on behalf of selfish German interests. Then, we very well know how Hollywood like to present Slavs in movies (I don’t want even to comment). Or, I can remind you on Hitler’s `My Kampf` where he `explained` that- `Slavs are sub-people`.

We can elaborate this problem from many angles but, we already can say that on so called West exists institutional anti-Slavism, from time when Slavs were conquered and were used as object of slavery from Roman/Teuton invaders.

On the other side, anti-Slavic behavior can be understood as behavior which as its consequence has humiliation of Slavs but on micro level. For example, when one start to use Poles as object of jokes, no matter that he even maybe don`t know nothing about Poles.

We also, immediately can say tat anti-Slavic behavior exist.


Anti-Semitism on so called West (particularly in Western Europe) is false because fundaments of societies in non-Slavic Europe are in Semitic ideological constructions, not in native European heritage. Slavs are last people in the world, loyal to native European culture (languages, etc) but saying that I don’t want to say that those who abandoned native European heritage (because of pressure from Semitic intruders) are less worth. No, I just say that for the sake of truth. Also, I have nothing against Semitics but, hire we speak about their role in one specific situation.

Anti-Semitism is false on so called West but, anti-Slavism and anti-Slavic behavior are essential parts of people’s way of thinking and functioning of institutions. That is encouraged by governments which are in constant state of `drang nach osten` (on alert!). It is because of constant needs for large amounts of population and resources- population (Slavic!) which need to be assimilated and resources (Slavic! Not only Russian!) which need to be taken by force or by abnormal expansion of ideological constructions.

Where did I write that ? Go back to my #121. In commies times there were 0% unemployment rate, which obviosly was fake, because many of those people were hardly doing anything and were employed only because commies wanted to show that there's no unemployment unlike in the "greedy west", so obviosly in early 90's during transformation to free market economy many people lost their jobs, but in 98 It went down to 10%, in 2002 to was already 20% despite we had GDP growth all the time (not very impressive then, but still...) and that's because people born in late 70's and early 80's were joining the labor market. If you don't agree with me, so what was the reason in your opinion ?

Hemm, I can answer more agresive! I strongly think that if Poland had only a chance, it would finished off all it's neighbours on the East and West without any hesitation in such mannere that our Murav'ev-Apostol would turn over in his coffin. But the fact is that Poland haven't such chance, and all this speculation about Mongolian yoke and that Russians are Barbarian just only wails of dweebs!!!

Read history without blinders of negative emotions!!! It is a pretty good chance to have such neighbour as Russia. What would be happen if you would be absorbed in 18 cent. only by Prussia, or only by Germany in 20 cent.? But you can't!!! It's ancient Polish arrogance!!!

Germany and Russia for sure.

Really!? In Russian Empire Poland always had such autonomy that we, Russians, hadn't!!! And after WWII SU restored polish State, though under control! But Poland as little agressor always wants more and more, always complaines. I think that the main aime is restoration previous territory!!!

Why only previous ? We need more land.

I am not care about the fact that somebody think that I am not European! Yes I am not European, I am Russian and moreover you can call me Mongolian, Byzantinian (very honorable term), it's just meaningless words!

And where is your limit?

Japan.

Heh, and where will be all 150.000.000 of Russians?

In Poland.

It's too small!!! May be in China? And all Chineese in Poland? I think it will be better!

Poles and Russians are so sympathic when they arguing, as all Serbs- I mean Sarmatians or Slavs or whatever.
He, he... history is so irronical and Gods just play with us.

Brate, I don`t give a sh** for Germany but, if you finish with Russia who would help to Serbs in time of our need. You know, Turks (for example) just wait that Russia collapse.

Please, don`t leave us without protection. Serbia can be nice, little Southern province with many rivers and lakes.


We have that twisted dream about unity of Slavs and I`m sure, Serbs would easely swich on dream about unity of Slavs under Polish domination.

Ha, what about that?

hmmm


Sounds like Grzegorz_ is some kind of a dragon... and ur asking mercy! :D


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Russians are as Asian as they are European... maybe more Asian... and as ConstentineK says....its nothing to be shy about!!!!... these are just continents...people everywhere have equal value. Actually Asia have a very good history and wonderful background... they have good prospects aswell.... can easily become the center of all the world power (economic, social, security) in the future.

No need to be shy or proud. Just be human and enjoy your stay in Planet Earth...as long as your Visa remains alive. :) ....

Lone, my virtual prijatelju i brate, tell me- why you didn`t sympli tell me- Calm down, as always? Just that and, I would feel that I am less sh** then I now feel...

You know what... you are a lot calmer now from the time you joined in :D ... I feel you are a nice guy internally... just more needs to come out :) ... and one fine morning you'll find out that ... You are not a Crow anymore :) - now you are a Parrot !!! ;)

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