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 Dec 23, 09, 12:15    #1
If anyone is close to Wroclaw and interested in aviation, let me know. I'd like to start something along the lines of what the EAA is doing with their Young Eagles program in the USA. If you, or your kids are interested have ever wanted to fly, let me know. My Polish is limited to basic conversational level, but it should be more than enough to get a kid interested in flying.

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 Dec 23, 09, 18:39    #2
oh, forgot the magic polish word...bezplatna!
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 Jan 3, 10, 17:04    #3
Could you give us more information, please?
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 Jan 3, 10, 17:29    #4
Sure, I have a plane outside of Wroclaw and would like to introduce people to flying. The FAA says that I'm competent to fly people around. I'm more or less offering to point people in the right direction, and do some basic instruction for a couple of hours on the ground and then a couple of hours in the air. If you wanted to take it further, I know of a couple of local flight schools that provide reasonably priced instruction. That's it, no gimmicks, no tricks. It's much more rewarding to fly with someone up who is genuinely interested than it is to take someone that just enjoys the novelty of it.
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 Jan 3, 10, 18:28    #5
I am very interested in flying , in fact if i had the money i would go for a pilots licence....

I am just a bit concerned about flying with somebody who advocates recreational drug use... do you just support drug use , or do you indulge in it...?
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 Jan 3, 10, 20:07    #6
It's actually not all that expensive, Poland is one of the cheapest places to buy fuel, and there are no landing fees at most airports.

Regarding recreational drug use, you got me on that. I brew my own beer, and enjoy it. My personal safety margin is 24 hours between drug use and flying, that includes things as innocuous as asprin. If I know that a long cross country is coming up, am planning on doing aerobatics, or will be carrying passengers, that safety margin becomes larger. It would be grossly irresponsible to do otherwise. I personally believe that people should be able to do whatever they enjoy doing, as long as it's done in a responsible manner and doesn't impact the rights or safety of others.

It was interesting to see that quite a few general aviation accident reports here in Poland have alcohol as a contributing factor. I don't think I've read a single NTSB/TSB report that cite alcohol as a primary of contributing factor. Different cultures I suppose, thankfully that's changing.
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 Jan 3, 10, 20:46    #7
Yeah , its scarey enough having em driving around drunk , without having the sky full of p1ssheads as well...!
Cessna?  Jan 3, 10, 21:23    #8
What type of aircraft you have access?
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 Jan 3, 10, 21:47    #9
An N reg'd TB10. If all goes well, a Malibu will be coming in March. I've got a share in a Pitts S2, but it's based in the Czech Republic.
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 Mar 5, 10, 15:00    #10
Weather is getting nicer...
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 Mar 5, 10, 15:06    #11
convex:
bezplatna!

He-he... that's an international (or at least interslavic) magic word I guess. :) I wish I was in Poland...
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 Mar 5, 10, 21:44    #12
convex:
Pitts S2

Very cool airplane! I think what you're doing is great. Too bad I'm in Gdansk.

I had about 600 hours in OV-10's in Vietnam. Back seater, but in that environment you learn to fly very quickly. The pilots wanted someone who could get them home if they weren't able to. I had 10 flights in sailplanes but stopped taking lessons after I moved and changed jobs. Too bad. I loved it.
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 Mar 7, 10, 00:31    #13
scottie1113:
Very cool airplane! I think what you're doing is great. Too bad I'm in Gdansk.

The Pitts is awesome. If things work well, I might sell my share and buy one here. It's terribly addictive. On it's first flight of the year, the transponder decided to give up the ghost. Not a good sign.

With summer coming up, I'm hoping to get it all rolling. I'm setting up a charter company here as well, I'd like to use that to drum up some visibility in the community.

scottie1113:
I had about 600 hours in OV-10's in Vietnam.

That is "poop your pants" territory. I did manage to ride shotgun in an an-2 while I was in Herat. That's my best...and only flying in a war zone story. Uneventful...amazing, but thankfully uneventful.
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Mar 7, 10, 00:59    #14
Convex - great idea!

If you were just a tad closer to Honolulu I'd go flyin' with you then I'd take you up in my friend's Super Cub.

I'm still an EAA member and I did Young Eagles flights for almost 10 years; every second Saturday our EAA chapter had a a Fly-In breakfast and volunteers would take kids up in their own or club's airplanes. Our chapter required at least a Com license with 100+ hours in the type or a CFI. Since I was the only CFI in the club (most of them were older WWII, Korean War, etc., vets.) I ended up doing TONS of flying with the kids, sometimes just a take off and landing, sometimes 10, 15 or more minute long flights. Usually at least 5 "Eagle flight" per breakfast meeting. Some of those kids went on to become pilots and two of them stay in touch with me. Both are girls and I mentor them via the WAI organization (wai.org - I've been a member for years, yes, guys can be members too and I joined to support my two "Eaglettes" :)

I've moved away and don't do Young Eagle flights anymore but have been told I still hold the record for my chapter having flown over 650 kids over the many years...

The best (and also the worst :( ) flights were through the "Make a Wish Foundation." Several years ago I had the privilege of taking an 11 years old girl up and we had a blast. Of course I knew she was sick but not how bad and what kind of sickness. After the flight she asked her parents right there in front of me if I too could come to her "good bye party" and they said "of course" with tears in their eyes. That's when I realized she was talking about her own funeral! :(. Sure enough, almost 4 weeks later I got the call from her mom that she'd passed away (leukemia) but that she talked about her flight with me until the very end and that it'd be an honor for them if I could come to the funeral... I told them it'd be my honor and to this day I tear up each time I think of little Norah.

Sorry I got off the tangent here, Young Eagles program is GREAT and I love the fact you're thinking about a mini version of it. Strong tailwinds on that! (except during the landing itself ;)

http://www.youngeagles.org/programs/youngeagles/
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Edited by: convex  Aug 7, 10, 09:40    #15
Is it just me, or did a whole load of posts here disappear?

Anyway, for the guy that was looking for an N reg'd plane, I've got an N registered IFR TB10 in Wroclaw that you can use to finish up. Just send me a message.
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 Aug 7, 10, 09:54    #16
convex:
Is it just me, or did a whole load of posts here disappear?

Anyway, for the guy that was looking for an N reg'd plane, I've got an N registered IFR TB10 in Wroclaw that you can use to finish up. Just send me a message.



I agree, that stupid censorship, random thread or whatever they call it always pisses me of. It's like you're always replying to two people - the person you're replying to and the big brother and you hope the big brother will leave your post alone... the posts that just disappeared where indeed about flying, one aspect of it even though it was no in Wroclaw yet it was a great idea for doing it in wroław and everywhere else. but know, mr./ms. KGB knew better...
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 Aug 7, 10, 10:30    #17
right on.

lately i've been running into the same problem. posts magically disappearing.
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 Aug 7, 10, 11:08    #18
To Convex

Seems like the posts are being deleted for sure. Just wanted to say me and the missus are very much interested. How do we get intouch with you? Do you have a website with more details??
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 Aug 7, 10, 11:47    #19
skysoulmate:
I agree, that stupid censorship, random thread or whatever they call it always pisses me of. It's like you're always replying to two people - the person you're replying to and the big brother and you hope the big brother will leave your post alone... the posts that just disappeared where indeed about flying, one aspect of it even though it was no in Wroclaw yet it was a great idea for doing it in wroław and everywhere else. but know, mr./ms. KGB knew better...


if you feel a post has been moved unjustly send me a PM and it may be replaced.
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Aug 7, 10, 11:54    #20
Wroclaw:

if you feel a post has been moved unjustly send me a PM and it may be replaced.


Well, it was actually a ladywiththeface (?) post and my reply to her. No big deal but usually we don't notice till weeks and weeks later, it's the principle of someone else deciding for us that bothers me more than anything. Some comments might feel off the subject to the mods but in this case we're talking about a charity work in the field of aviation which also promoted - you guessed it - aviation.

Also, someone replied to convex wanting to take him up on his offer. Don't see that reply either...
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 Aug 7, 10, 17:20    #21
Yes, if you'd look at the forum in its entirety, there was a restore yesterday after a big fault so many posts that had been posted in that time were lost as the forum was restored to a previous point before the fault happened therefore allowing you to continue using the forum without having to close it down for a length of time.

No big conspiracy, just some normal recovery work after a fault.
LewisPilot2013  Aug 7, 10, 17:54    #22
convex:
Anyway, for the guy that was looking for an N reg'd plane, I've got an N registered IFR TB10 in Wroclaw that you can use to finish up. Just send me a message.


Well I won't need to finish up, i'll be finishing up my private in the next couple weeks, I'll hopefully even have my instrument rating by the time I get to Poland. How is the weather to fly in January? ...and is there anything special I need to do having an FAA rating and flying in Poland?
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 Aug 7, 10, 22:31    #23
LewisPilot2013:
Well I won't need to finish up, i'll be finishing up my private in the next couple weeks, I'll hopefully even have my instrument rating by the time I get to Poland. How is the weather to fly in January? ...and is there anything special I need to do having an FAA rating and flying in Poland?

In a word, the weather sucks in the winter if you depend on the plane for business. I ordered a preheat kit last winter because it just wouldn't turn over, no matter how much time I spent blasting it with the heater. Unless you're in something turbocharged, you probably won't live very long flying IFR here in the winter. Over half of the days are overcast with really low ceilings...dreamy. The summer is almost as much fun, lots of embedded thunderstorms (I'm actually waiting out the weather right now in Dresden because I haven't yet invested in a strikefinder...). Side note, there are drunk Poles in the next room destroying the room and screaming Kurwa, good times. If you're coming from the states, the biggest difference will be the cost, landing, handling, fuel... After you decide to eat rice and beans to fly, the second thing that is disgusting is access to weather information. No XM weather, no 1800WXBRIEF, DUATS, etc. I had a satellite phone setup for a while to pull weather, but it wasn't reliable or very cost effective. ATC is helpful, but they're often to busy to assist.

About Poland specifically:

Only international airports are allowed to sell avgas (clubs can go in on a tank, but they can't legally sell it, nor do they to non club members).
You have to file a flight plan at least an hour prior to taking off in order to fly into controlled airspace (over the phone, no filing over the internet).
International airports have mandatory handling here (read, something else to pay, sometimes obscene amounts, EPWR was charging €100 flat handling fee plus €20 landing fee earlier this year...).
They're pretty relaxed about where and when you can fly (uncontrolled fields, offsite landings with PPR, etc), especially when compared to Germany.
There aren't many airports period.
The only airports with instrument approaches are the big ones, good news is, they've all got an ILS.
After the sun goes down, you have to land at an international airport as the concept of pilot controlled lighting doesn't exist.
No GPS approaches.
You legally need a DME, GPS can't be substituted for a DME (I've never been called out on it).
Cheap fuel compared to the rest of Europe.
Terrible, expensive, lazy, worthless maintenance shops (if you can find one).
There are some great pilots here, and lots of people fly aerobatics and STOL (the zlins and the wilgas).
Most of private aviation consists of ultralights (think LSA, not trikes) and gliders.

al111:
Seems like the posts are being deleted for sure. Just wanted to say me and the missus are very much interested. How do we get intouch with you? Do you have a website with more details??

If after all that you're still interested, I'll pop you message. It's just a private* plane, not trying to rent it out or take people on flights to make money or anything like that. I just enjoy flying, and want to share my addiction :)
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Aug 8, 10, 01:09    #24
PolskaDoll:
Yes, if you'd look at the forum in its entirety, there was a restore yesterday after a big fault so many posts that had been posted in that time were lost as the forum was restored to a previous point before the fault happened therefore allowing you to continue using the forum without having to close it down for a length of time.

No big conspiracy, just some normal recovery work after a fault.


Fair enough and I'm sure that's the case. The posts I mentioned had been here for few days but no big deal, I understand that things happen.

What I will never understand though is how a forum that caters to Poles or those with a Polish heritage allows any kind of censorship on here? You can call it the Random Thread or the Stupid Thread, the BS thread or the "Someone-Else-Will-Decide-For-You" thread, it's still a veiled form of censorship. If not illegal (pornography, etc.) it should be allowed. ...or you should delete it and explain why you, as a moderator did so; not move it to the endless abyss of the RT.

Yes, I feel much better now. ;)
LewisPilot2013  Aug 8, 10, 07:14    #25
convex:
It's just a private* plane, not trying to rent it out or take people on flights


Do you know of any "N" registered a/c to rent in Poland? Preferably like a Skyhawk so I don't need to do any extra work.
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 Aug 8, 10, 09:32    #26
LewisPilot2013:
Do you know of any "N" registered a/c to rent in Poland? Preferably like a Skyhawk so I don't need to do any extra work.

None that I know of. You can rent mine if you want something to fly in every once in a while. I'm just not looking to start up a plane rental company:)

If you don't plan on crossing any borders, you can fly an SP registered plan on your FAA certificate. Some of the flight schools have 172s to rent.
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 Aug 9, 10, 06:45    #27
convex:
None that I know of. You can rent mine if you want something to fly in every once in a while. I'm just not looking to start up a plane rental company:)

If you don't plan on crossing any borders, you can fly an SP registered plan on your FAA certificate. Some of the flight schools have 172s to rent.


I wouldn't mind just renting your a/c, it seems like it'd be the easiest thing to do, but there are to problems with that...I won't be in or near Wrocław, its six hours from where i'll be, and I don't have any experience flying "complex" a/c.

I wouldn't mind flying an "SP" registered a/c, would I even be allowed to log that time even though its not an "N" registered a/c?
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 Aug 26, 10, 03:36    #28
LewisPilot2013:
I wouldn't mind flying an "SP" registered a/c, would I even be allowed to log that time even though its not an "N" registered a/c?

You can log the time just as you would an N reg'd plane.
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 Sep 7, 10, 21:17    #29
A completely unrelated note, but I was at Ostrow-Michalkow two weekends ago. Rather nice little airport :)
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 Nov 7, 10, 02:05    #30
Tomorrow, touch and go's in Wroclaw in IFR...who would like to see the sun? You'd be one of the few Wroclaw residents to see the sun on Sunday :)



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