Dirk Nowicki: Polack or Kraut?

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 11, 20:54 #1
Dirk Nowicki (Nowitski) is leading the Dallas Mavericks against the Miami Monkeys/Heat in the NBA finals this year...We have quite a diveristy in this Dallas organization, as the owner is Jewish (Mark Cuban), Nowicki is a Polack from Germany, and we also have the usual mix of African-Americans on the squad...This should appeal to PF 'diversifists'...What say ye?

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 10, 11, 21:04 #2
joepilsudski: Dirk Nowicki (Nowitski) You re-Polonized his surname correctly but he spells it with a 'z' not an 's'.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jun 10, 11, 21:08 #3
joepilsudski: Dallas Mavericks against the Miami Monkeys/Heat in the NBA finals this year yeah! :D joepilsudski: Nowicki is a Polack from Germany he's German

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 11, 21:17 #4
BTW. Dallas won last night, lead series as it goes back to Miami 3-2...

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 10, 11, 21:28 #5
If he was Polish, his parents would be in trouble, given that Poles are not allowed to be called Dirk. Although his grandparents would also have been in trouble, seeing as they named his parents Helga and Jorg-Werner. Oh and he plays for the German national team, just as his father did.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Jun 10, 11, 21:40 #6

Harry:

Poles are not allowed to be called Dirk

Why?...It's a good name!

BTW, European players have done quite well in the NBA: There have been Croats, Serbs, Lithuanians, Poles and others...Curiously, one of the greatest Philadelphia 76ers/NBA players, Alan Iverson is now playing in Istanbul...Iverson is a shoo-in Hall of Famer, but he tried to have his wife killed, and the NBA quietly gave him the boot...He is apparently happy playing in Turkey....The climate is something like his native Virginia Beach, Virginia in the USA.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 10, 11, 21:49 #7
joepilsudski: Why?...It's a good name! Polish citizens are only allowed to use approved names: neither Dirk nor Helga nor Jorg-Werner are on that list. Also, if you have to Polonise somebody's name, they most probably aren't a Pole.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 05:33 #8
Harry: Polish citizens are only allowed to use approved names: neither Dirk nor Helga nor Jorg-Werner are on that list. Why you lie?...Approved names??!! Question is, Nowicki has Polish surname: Do Poles appreciate his talent and recognize him?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 05:39 #9
I don't think he speaks polish...also....KRAUT! :)

TheHessianThreads: 1 Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 29, 11 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 06:58 #10
joepilsudski: Question is, Nowicki has Polish surname: Do Poles appreciate his talent and recognize him? I have a surname of Greek origin. So according to you, am I a Greek or should I feel some special connection to them? And should we Germans feel embaressed for Anthony Weiner? He clearly has a German surname name after all.

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Jun 11, 11, 07:02 #11

Dirk may feel German and his paternal ancestors may have all felt German for umpteenth generations but the fact remains that his surname indicates that he almost certainly had a Polish ancestor. So in his case it cannot be clearly either/or but rather probably both. Of course there is the possibility that a male German orphan was adopted by some Nowicki's and was given their surname before founding Dirk's patrilineal line, in which case he would be totally krizzout krauted izzout.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 08:22 #12
Bratwurst Boy: I don't think he speaks polish...also....KRAUT! :) Never heard of eternal Poles? With a Polish name you are a Pole, even if your Polish ancestor lived 500 years ago. Only something really bad, like several Nazis in the family, can release you from this blessing, but great fame of a individual revives the Polishness. ;)

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 08:26 #13
Palivec: Never heard of eternal Poles? With a Polish name you are a Pole, even if your Polish ancestor lived 500 years ago. RIGHT! Palivec: Only something really bad, like several Nazis in the family, can release you from this blessing, DOUBLE RIGHT!

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Edited by: King Sobieski Jun 11, 11, 09:19 #14

Harry:

Oh and he plays for the German national team, just as his father did.

i no doubt believe he 100% german but which national team you play for is a blurry line.

for instance, american chris kaman also plays for the german team.

the guy slated to go no.1 in this years nba draft also had a choice between australia and usa due to his american dad playing ball in australia and him living here for while.

joepilsudski:

He is apparently happy playing in Turkey....The climate is something like his native Virginia Beach, Virginia in the USA.

nah, he only played a few games there and wants to get back to the nba.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnI3tGQZnenMa8xuMUvxGq68vLYF?slu g=ap-iversonsfuture

just a glorified ball hog if you ask me.

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Jun 11, 11, 10:14 #15

joepilsudski:

Why you lie?...Approved names??!!

This is a very simple fact: their is a list of names which Poles are allowed to call their kids. It has been discussed here several times. I'm sorry that you don't know much about Poland.

joepilsudski:

Nowicki has Polish surname:

No, 'Nowicki' would be the Polish name. Read the back of his shirt: it does not say 'Nowicki'. Call him Nowicki as many times as you want, it still won't be his name.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 10:20 #16
Harry: This is a very simple fact: their is a list of names which Poles are allowed to call their kids. You're thinking of Italy maybe?

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 10:23 #17
Harry: This is a very simple fact: their is a list of names which Poles are allowed to call their kids. It has been discussed here several times. I'm sorry that you don't know much about Poland. My goddaughter's parents wanted to name the girl Vanessa, i.e. with a V instead of a W. The powers that be said no, but after a little fight they relented.

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 10:31 #18
Harry: If he was Polish, his parents would be in trouble, given that Poles are not allowed to be called Dirk. They can't? What about that guy from Europa da się lubić who called his daughter Chelsea?

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 10:47 #19
Harry: Polish citizens are only allowed to use approved names: neither Dirk nor Helga Helga is. Names day on January 14th

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 11:01 #20
Could you check on "Emma", Marysiu?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Jun 11, 11, 11:08 #21
Maaarysia: They can't? What about that guy from Europa da się lubić who called his daughter Chelsea? Rule isn't applied if one (or both) parent is not Polish. With the exception that all girls' names must end with the letter a. So a guy I knew was not allowed to register his daughter as 'Lauren', only Laura or Laurena.

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 11:10 #22
Antek_Stalich: Could you check on "Emma" Ema's or Emma's names days are: Jan 31, Dec 3, Jun 29, Nov 24, Apr 8. Pretty many of those dates...

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 11:11 #23
Thank you, Marysiu!

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Edited by: Maaarysia Jun 11, 11, 11:12 #24
Harry One more question, could you show or say where I can find this list of names which are allowed for Polish parents to be given to their children? Antek_Stalich: Thank you, Marysiu! It's all in wikipedia.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 11, 11, 11:19 #25
Maaarysia: One more question, could you show or say where I can find this list of names which are allowed for Polish parents to be given to their children? Sorry but I don't know where it might be online. However, I assume that every registry office must have a copy. I do however know that Lauren is not on the list and neither is Kevin (or Kewin) as that one was also rejected.

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 11:26 #26
Harry: I assume that every registry office must have a copy. I do however know that Lauren is not on the list and neither is Kevin (or Kewin) as that one was also rejected. I think that's because there is no such list. The people who told you about it probably mean a plain calendar with names. If a name is in the calendar then it surely be accpeted with any problems.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jun 11, 11, 11:26 #27

Maaarysia:

One more question, could you show or say where I can find this list of names which are allowed for Polish parents to be given to their children?

As far as I know, the principle applied isn't a list of names, but rather that names must be Polish - or at least look like it's a Polish name. But the individual registrar has the power to decide - and anything for a girl that doesn't end in "a" will be instantly rejected.

I heard of one case where ethnic Lithuanian parents were refused "roze" for a girl - they had to have the Polish version.

Anyway, why aren't the Polish-Americans complaining about the RACIST POLONOPHOBIC word in the thread title?

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 11:34 #28
delphiandomine: Anyway, why aren't the Polish-Americans complaining about the RACIST POLONOPHOBIC word in the thread title? Maybe they don't support that team? ;)

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 11, 11, 12:00 #29
delphiandomine: Maybe they don't support that team? ;) Hahahaha. :)

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Edited by: asik Jun 11, 11, 12:27 #30

Harry:

Rule isn't applied if one (or both) parent is not Polish. With the exception that all girls' names must end with the letter a. So a guy I knew was not allowed to register his daughter as 'Lauren', only Laura or Laurena.

You are right Harry. I think up to the 90s you were not able to name your child as you wished to unless your chosen first name was listed in the Polish civil register. Also, the USC-civil office registering the first name or names would advise you to choose at least one Catholic first name (if you were Catholic and most people were) from the church register just to overcome any problems if you intended to baptise your child. When baptising, it was required a child has at least one Catholic first name and usually chosen from the list of Roman-Catholics Saints .

It changed a little these days but church still requires a child to be named with at least one Catholic name . The civil register is much more approacheable and is able to register first names but within stated norms. About these details you should ask your local registry office.

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