Dirk Nowicki: Polack or Kraut?

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 12:30 #31
asik: It was required a child has at least one Catholic first name and usually chosen from the list of Roman-Catholics Saints . "Catholic names" are the names of the Saints or Biblical characters (New Testament). One of my family member have no "Catholic" name but only slavic and no problem with babtizing.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Jun 11, 11, 12:45 #32
Maaarysia: "Catholic names" are the names of the Saints or Biblical characters (New Testament). One of my family member have no "Catholic" name but only slavic and no problem with babtizing. Approved names by the church, so they probably have a list of names as well. Not hard to guess if you are Catholic. Can you tell what was the name?

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Edited by: Maaarysia Jun 11, 11, 13:08 #33

asik:

Approved names by the church, so they probably have a list of names as well. Not hard to guess if you are Catholic.

I know only that you have to choose a name of a saint (or the New Testament biblical name) for your confirmation sacrament.

If what you've said was true then most names ending with -sław wouldn't be aproved by the Church. Have you ever heard abut św. Bronisław (there was św. Bronisława though) or św. Sławomir? They are not Catholic names but Slavic names.

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Jun 11, 11, 14:16 #34

Maaarysia:

Have you ever heard abut św. Bronisław (there was św. Bronisława though) or św. Sławomir? They are not Catholic names but Slavic names.

Yes, of course. These a typical and you can say old fashioned Polish names.

Earlier I wrote :

asik:

it was required a child has at least one Catholic first name and usually chosen from the list of Roman-Catholics Saints

I didn't say your chosen name had to be Saint's name, of course not. In general the name needed to be of Polish (Slavic) origin and approved by the church if a child was going to be baptised.

Some interesting facts, most popular names in 1943 were Slavic names:

1943 (Od 1941 roku w okupowanej Polsce obowiązywała lista (tylko 57 pozycji) dopuszczonych do nadawania imion, głównie słowiańskich. Stąd znaczne użycie imion odmęskich) – Jadwiga, Bożena, Mirosława, Janina, Kazimiera, Zdzisława, Czesława, Stanisława, Wiesława, Bronisława, Wacława, Bogdana, Bogumiła, Grażyna, Bogusława

http://www.sawicki.cc/O%20imionach%20w%20kalendarzach.htm

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Jun 11, 11, 14:58 #35

Palivec:

Never heard of eternal Poles? With a Polish name you are a Pole, even if your Polish ancestor lived 500 years ago. Only something really bad, like several Nazis in the family, can release you from this blessing, but great fame of a individual revives the Polishness. ;)

That's not true.
There are reasons you can loose your Polish citizenship and not able to regain it ever, ie: by your ancestors not interested in keeping the citizenship while living abroad Poland or by renouncing Polish citizenship-yes, it can be done by applying to the Polish President.

This person clearly recognises himself as German only and has no connection with his Polish roots, otherwise it'll be stated in his bio. You can't just call someone Polish because of his Polish surname. You need to 'belong' to be Polish, like you need to be connected by your parents or grandparents or even much distant ancestors but these people have to be recognised and documented as Polish citizens, in other words your ancestors need to keep connected with Poland and keep valid evidence of this connection, like Polish passport or be able to get any Polish document.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 16:11 #36
Des Essientes: Dirk may feel German and his paternal ancestors may have all felt German for umpteenth generations but the fact remains that his surname indicates that he almost certainly had a Polish ancestor. So in his case it cannot be clearly either/or but rather probably both I really wish Poles would be that generous by Kopernikus who evidently had german ancestors! ;)

emhaThreads: - Posts: 180 Joined: Nov 24, 10 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 21:35 #37
Have a look at true Polish basketball players http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Logan_%28basketball%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kelati

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Jun 11, 11, 22:34 #38

Bratwurst Boy:

Des Essientes:
Dirk may feel German and his paternal ancestors may have all felt German for umpteenth generations but the fact remains that his surname indicates that he almost certainly had a Polish ancestor. So in his case it cannot be clearly either/or but rather probably both

I really wish Poles would be that generous by Kopernikus who evidently had german ancestors! ;)

Exactly. And what about Veit Stoss? Born in Horb am Neckar, definitely German and kidnapped by the Poles.
Pretending he was Polish.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 11, 11, 22:43 #39
sobieski: Exactly. And what about Veit Stoss? Heh:) The Poles just quickly polonized his name..."Wit Stwosz", now a pure blooded Pole! ;) Not to forget german Till Eulenspiegel who quickly became polish Dyl Sowizdrzał ;) So I think we can safely assume that a polish name makes not one automatically a Pole...

emhaThreads: - Posts: 180 Joined: Nov 24, 10 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 22:54 #40
What about Sebastian Boenisch? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Boenisch a Polish-German football player who plays for the Polish National Team

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 11, 11, 22:58 #41
emha: What about Sebastian Boenisch? :) Silesian! :)

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Jun 14, 11, 22:41 #42

More about Nowitzki...it's clear he is a German! :)

"Thank you, Germany, for sending such a great person to this country and to Texas where I live." -- Mark L., USA

"Dirk's winning the MVP will definitely bring more German players to the NBA. Nowitzki is one of basketball's greatest players. His humility is just unbelievable. Congratulations, Dirk and the Mavs! I'm sure Germany is proud of you, man. -- Bengie L., Philippines

"He was sensational. One of the top 30 players ever." -- Mario W., USA

"Dirk Nowitzki's performance in the NBA Finals was very inspiring. He may have started out some games poorly, but turned it up in the second half. I think his performance in game two was the turning point in the series. Some players may have talked a very big game, but when push came to shove, Dirk stepped up and did the job. Bravo, Dirk! -- Fred R., USA

emhaThreads: - Posts: 180 Joined: Nov 24, 10 ♂	Jun 14, 11, 23:02 #43
I just realised I know only 4 German basketball players and all have Polish surnames :) Dirk Nowizki Jan-Hendrik Jagla Sebastian Machowski Konrad Wysocki

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