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Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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If they gained experience then it wasn't all lost...you have to start somewhere!
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Jun 9, 10, 01:11    #32
there no infrastructure in Poland to select and train properly footballers.
PZPN is a bunch of cunts interested only in getting paid big many for nothing!
The team wasn't able to play - they are under-trained, overpaid .......
Nothing new there!
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RevokeNice:
Spain will slaughter them.

3-0


My crystal ball is acting up.

I was out by one.
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Ironside
there no infrastructure in Poland to select and train properly footballers.

Why not?
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Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂ 		 Jun 9, 10, 07:27    #35
What is happening to the Polish national team?! Being thrashed like that by Spain! 6-0! Will it be able to get its act together before 2012? I don't think the Polish national team wants to be out in the first round. Any ideas about that ... ?

Is it the coach? Or maybe the Polish FA? Lack of investment in the past?
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 9, 10, 08:09    #36
Mają gdzieś i tyle ;) Just imagine if Spain had actually stepped on the gas pedal ;) ;)
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Stu:
Is it the coach? Or maybe the Polish FA? Lack of investment in the past?


It was the highest defeat of Polish NT in 50 years (since the game against Soviet Union
in May 1960 when we lost 1:7) and the last time we lost 6 goals was in 1968 in Warsaw,
when we lost 3:6 to Brazil.

The coach is OK. He's the best we have at the moment. The old pr*cks in the FA
are pathetic and should have quit long time ago, but it wasn't the FA board on the
pitch yesterday - it was the players and I blame them (most of them anyway).

The problem with players like Wojtkowiak, Glik, Mierzejewski or Nowak is that 25 years
ago they would find it hard to be regular players in ANY of the Polish league teams. Today
they are wearing NT colours - that's how much our football has deteriorated since the last
WC medal we got in 1982. Even the players from early 90's were two classes better than
the cripples gallery we watch wearing white and red today.

We now know why Peszko should and Murawski should have, stayed in Lech Poznan
until the end of their "careers". They are simply not good enough for anything else
than the depressing Polish league.

That should be the last game in NT for Zewlakow and Dudka - they have reached their
level of incompetence long time ago and there's no point keeping them, there's nothing
else left in them than what they showed yesterday.

Kuszczak, Błaszczykowski and Lewandowski are international level players, but it was
difficult for them to play 3 on 11 against Spanish team. So, we have 3 players - well,
let's say 5 with Jelen and Obraniak, who were absent yesterday. Now - we have 2 years
to find 6 more and we might have a slight chance of not embarassing ourselves in
Euro 2012. Let's look everywhere - all around Europe - Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands
for players with Polish roots, in 2nd and even 3rd division in Poland (the scouting system
is appalling, so there's probably a lot of young talented players in lower leagues - find
them, take them out of the Polish football swamp, send them to youth academies in Spain,
England and Germany and wait for 5-6 years for the effects).

It was a good thing we played against Spanish team yesterday. It showed us where
exactly we are in the Europe's football ranks (somewhere above San Marino, but slightly
below Armenia and Moldova).
TorqThreads: 65
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Torq:
The coach is OK. He's the best we have at the moment.


Having said that - he made a terrible mistake yesterday. He sent Polish NT,
that is still being re-built and in experimental stage of development to play
in 4-3-3 attacking formation, against Spain 3 days before the World Cup.

Instead of telling them to play open football, he should have chosen a tactic
more suitable for much stronger opponent. He should watch the game
Inter - Barcelona 10 times at home, to see how a team should play against
much stronger opponent. Playing 4-3-3 open, attacking formation against
Spain was like charging tanks with cavalry...

So - I blame players, but the coach as well. I mentioned the FA before - I blame them
too and the consecutive governments who did nothing with the corruption in Polish
leagues are to be blamed as well. The lack of investment in youth development (especially
coaches - youth coaches in Poland make peanuts, so no wonder they're incompetent)
and infrastructure have finally backfired on us with full force.

We can either change the entire system or... accept 0:6 defeats as something normal.
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Even Northern Ireland are ranked higher than Poland and they only have a population of 900,000 to choose from. :)
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RevokeNice:
Even Northern Ireland are ranked higher than Poland and they only have a population of 900,000 to choose from. :)

sure rub it in .....as if somebody cared:)

Chicago Pollock:
Why not?


Because nobody was interested in building such infrastructures for a last 20 years or so...
TorqThreads: 65
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RevokeNice:
Even Northern Ireland are ranked higher than Poland and they only have a population of 900,000 to choose from. :)


If it was about population, China would be a World Champion every 4 years.
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Torq:

If it was about population, China would be a World Champion every 4 years.


Well, if they start to take it seriously as other sports they will surely become successful.
They just have to many people to chose from and absolutely no qualms to torture children to
performance. :(
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Torq:
If it was about population, China would be a World Champion every 4 years.


Football has only recently become popular with the Chinese. If the Chinese FA implement decent underage set ups, they will be a force in 15-20 years.

Footballing giants like Gabon, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Lithuania, Burkina Faso, Scotland, Mali, Peru and many more are all ahead of Poland on the FIFA rankings.

Its not looking too good for the European Championship in two years time.
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The problem with football in Poland is that when Canal+ bought the TV rights to Polish
League in 1995 and the games could only be watch in paid, coded television that many
Polish families couldn't afford (especially the poor ones, from which 99% of football players
come) they were deprived of watching league games and gradually lost interest in
domestic football and their children started watching and following other sports - mostly
volleyball, speedway and handball. Hundreds of thousands of kids took up these sports and
were lost for football.

And now we have an entire generation of young players and supporters who grew
without mass access to domestic football and you can see where the attention has
shifted:

- in Volleyball Poland was the World vice-champions in 2006 and we are the current
European Champions, we have one of the strongest leagues in the world, our NT
plays regularly in the World League and our clubs in the Champions League;

- in Handball we won the World Championship silver medal in 2007 and bronze medal
in 2009 (in 2007 we also won the handball Supercup played between Olimpic, WC
and EC medalists);

- in Speedway we have the strongest league in the World which attracts more
supporters to the stadiums than football games and we are the current World
Champions;

These three sports are way ahead of football and if nothing is done to improve
the level of football in our country, by attracting more people to it (by showing
league games in national TV, investing in youth development and infrastructure
and attracting more sponsors) we will remain at the bottom of European football
forever.

RevokeNice:
Footballing giants like Gabon, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Lithuania, Burkina Faso, Scotland, Mali, Peru and many more are all ahead of Poland on the FIFA rankings.


FIFA ranking is ridiculous - I'd say that the UEFA ranking shows the situation in a more
accurate way.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2010.html



RevokeNice:

Its not looking too good for the European Championship in two years time.


It's looking terribly bad at the moment :(
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Torq:
And now we have an entire generation of young players and supporters who grew
without mass access to domestic football and you can see where the attention has
shifted:

Agreed, i mean look at how many world class ski jumpers Poland has as a direct result of Adam Malysz, the same can be said of German F1 drivers theres six in the line up mostly young probably all brought up watching Schumacher. You need to inspire a desire from young age.
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Torq:
FIFA ranking is ridiculous - I'd say that the UEFA ranking shows the situation in a more
accurate way.


That is for domestic leagues, not the international teams.

En-ger-land number one, yeah right!
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RevokeNice:
En-ger-land number one, yeah right!



I would say that who ever compiled that UEFA list got it right. Without doubt the EPL is the best league in Europe, if not the world. It is played at a fast pace, to a high standard and many great players from all over the world ply their trade here. Given that there are long seasons with no winter breaks and it is played in all types of weather, the endurance and skill is outstanding. I have seen no other to compare for entertainment.
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6-0 hahahahhahaha did poland play with footballers or toilet cleaners ?


Wroclaw:
a member of the family has just surrendered and gone to bed.

this is normal nature from the polacks , quiters

Torq:
They suspended Espana, but didn't suspend me

because the moderator is a polack
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Vincent:
I would say that who ever compiled that UEFA list got it right. Without doubt the EPL is the best league in Europe, if not the world. It is played at a fast pace, to a high standard and many great players from all over the world ply their trade here. Given that there are long seasons with no winter breaks and it is played in all types of weather, the endurance and skill is outstanding. I have seen no other to compare for entertainment.


Who am I to argue with UEFA? If they say the EPL is the best league in the world it must be so.

We are talking about internation football here, and Torq brought UEFAs ranking into play - which focuses on club sides not international sides.

Heres the FIFA ranking table - http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullran king.html#confederation=0&rank=193&page=2

Poland are 58th as of the end of April. Mighty Mail are 54th.
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RevokeNice:
Poland are 58th as of the end of April. Mighty Mail are 54th

sadly steall is not a sport :(
if it was a sport . the polack will be the first ones.
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espana:
6-0 hahahahhahaha


Yeah, funny - 6 is exactly the number of Arabs that shag your sister everyday.
Funny coincidence :-)
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Who remembers England 5 : Germany 1? Good night that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_1%E2%80%935_England_(2001)
Germany 1-5 England was the final score in a football match held at the Olympiastadion in Munich on 1 September 2001. It was a qualification match for the 2002 World Cup. England won the game 5–1, abetted by a hat-trick from England striker Michael Owen. All England goalscorers were Liverpool players.
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Torq:
Yeah, funny - 6 is exactly the number of Arabs that shag your sister everyday.

ok but she does this for fun , not as a job like the female members of your familly.

Torq:
(especially the poor ones

Torq:
99%

yes your right mate . the 99% of the poles are poor.
the 1 % rich, are they the ones who are cleaning toilets in england.
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espana:
ok but she does this for fun


Just like all other Spanish women - that's why you look like and practically are Arabs.

espana:
yes your right mate . the 99% of the poles are poor.
the 1 % rich, are they the ones who are cleaning toilets in england.


Yaaaaaaawn... this Arabic sense of humour of yours really begins to bore me.

Wroclaw Boy:
Who remembers England 5 : Germany 1? Good night that.


Football history is the only way of consolation for Polish fans these days...

1938 Poland - Ireland 6:0

1963 Poland - Norway 9:0

1968 Poland - Turkey 8:0

1975 Poland - USA 7:0

1975 Poland - Netherlands 4:1

1975 Netherlands - Poland 0:3

Ancient history... but here's a question for our Arab friend:

Poland won 2 World Cup medals (in 1974 and in 1982). How many medals did Spain win
in the entire World Cup history?
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Torq:
Poland won 2 World Cup medals (in 1974 and in 1982). How many medals did Spain win
in the entire World Cup history?

He wont be able to answer that? hes only good at insults. Although he's a male of 36 years old he only has the capability of looking at photos/porn/youtube and such on the interent. What ma no brain.........
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Torq:
Football history



come on polack ,the reality is this one .
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Wroclaw Boy:
he only has the capability of looking at photos/porn/youtube and such on the interent.


Told yah.
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Wroclaw Boy:
Who remembers England 5 : Germany 1? Good night that.


A friendly!

The important games you lose always! heh:)

(And yes, the '66 finale was faked...the ball was NOT over the line)
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Wroclaw Boy:
He wont be able to answer that?


He can always use google :)

Wroclaw Boy:
hes only good at insults


No, he's not. He's only making a fool of himself and provides us with a little bit of cheap
entertainment. Harry - he's the man on this board who is good at insults!

Wroclaw Boy:
Told yah.


LOL
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Bratwurst Boy:
The important games you lose always!

We should have won in 90, looking at the replays. The best team was England IMO.

Bratwurst Boy:
(And yes, the 66 finale was faked...the ball was NOT over the line)

4-2 come on, line or not. Butterfly effect you'll say.

espana:
the ginger fuc* cant stay quiet for once

atleast his English is improving a bit. Its not all bad.

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